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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:38 AM Nov 2017

INEXCUSABLE

I have admired Donna Brazile for a long time. I have disagreed with her on occasion but in general I believe she has been a good member of the Democratic Party.

I have never been so disappointed in somebody like I am Brazile. I have no idea why someone as savvy as she is would write such a book that at the least was not checked thoroughly.

I do not begrudge her writing a book. However, she knows damn well that any kernel of a possible disagreement on the left will be distorted and touted by the right.

In addition, to release it now, right before some vital elections, is inexcusable. She needs to stop trying to explain and digging a deeper hole. She and Warren just need to go away at this point and on this issue.

IMO everybody should be aiming their fire at Trump and the GOP 24/7. If there are disagreements then at this point keep them in house. I would normally not say this but I feel that the country is balancing on a knife’s edge. We cannot afford to distract from this.

And I cannot print what I think of the DFA.

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INEXCUSABLE (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 OP
I agree, though I have been more disappointed in others. My Trump voting brother, for example. Squinch Nov 2017 #1
Yeah, Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #3
That's true. But it broke my heart. Squinch Nov 2017 #7
I understand. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #9
I'm actually having a hard time with it. I know I can't have a meanigful relationship Squinch Nov 2017 #10
Well, DM me anytime. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #24
Well said. And that's good advice, and yes. The line is immovable. Regardless of who is trying to Squinch Nov 2017 #29
I went to a family (not mine) party last night where political talk and devices were banned Not Ruth Nov 2017 #77
I'd rather be bored than argue with someone who will never see reason. And using devices during Squinch Nov 2017 #79
DFA? SHRED Nov 2017 #2
Democracy for America mnhtnbb Nov 2017 #5
Why is DFA so short sighted on this? SHRED Nov 2017 #16
DFA has a lot of die-hard Sanders supporters and anti-Democrat Hortensis Nov 2017 #18
I will remember. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #21
I don't understand. Is that a threat? If so, to whom? Hortensis Nov 2017 #32
Brazile paleotn Nov 2017 #33
With you. I'm a registered Democrat and she betrayed me Hortensis Nov 2017 #34
Not yet. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #44
Northam won't allow sanctuary cities so ICE can continue rampages unchecked Arazi Nov 2017 #69
Supposedly Democrats for America Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #6
I emailed the DFA lkinwi Nov 2017 #46
Boy, so no backing off or clarifying what might have been Hortensis Nov 2017 #48
According to this Mother Jones article, Donna Brazile is now backing away from those "rigged" still_one Nov 2017 #4
Too late. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #8
no doubt, and it caused a lot of damage still_one Nov 2017 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #41
Well, not the right for sure. But what else are you thinking of? Hortensis Nov 2017 #47
She can back away all the way to Mars but it won't do any good The Genealogist Nov 2017 #23
yes, and much of the media is still distorting the facts and spreading misinformation that she still_one Nov 2017 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2017 #42
Brazile cannot back away now .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #51
Is that the right link or RandomAccess Nov 2017 #53
It is right in the article. Here, I will post the quote from the article, and the tweet Brazille still_one Nov 2017 #54
Thanks -- but that's a "walkback" of what she didn't say to start with RandomAccess Nov 2017 #55
Sorry, it isn't a walkback, she previously used the word "rigged", and in HER tweet she undid that still_one Nov 2017 #56
Eh, no -- RandomAccess Nov 2017 #58
What happened is Comey 11 days before the election sent a letter to the republicans, and the still_one Nov 2017 #61
Totally agree RandomAccess Nov 2017 #63
Thanks for the analysis still_one Nov 2017 #64
Too late, who cares, fuck her . . . hatrack Nov 2017 #71
Why should warren go away Kogaratsu72 Nov 2017 #11
She jumped in to agree that the primary was rigged. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #12
Unlike Brazile, Warren has yet to issue a retraction. This will not go away until she does. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #15
"She knows better???" Elizabeth Waren is not a liar Merlot Nov 2017 #39
Read this. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #45
Warren is entitled to her own opinion, but she stated this as a fact. SunSeeker Nov 2017 #65
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #43
She said "rigged" Donna did not Hamlette Nov 2017 #50
Always important to remember - there are Democrats and Republicans. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #14
Of course there are differing views and stances within the party onetexan Nov 2017 #37
Just speaking for myself, I don't profess to know a fraction of what really goes on behind NRaleighLiberal Nov 2017 #49
Media needs to grill Brazile on the facts. Ilsa Nov 2017 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author True Dough Nov 2017 #19
I cant quite by that. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #20
Have not seen any comments of how all these conservative racist misogynistic assholes TNNurse Nov 2017 #22
Well there is that. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author True Dough Nov 2017 #28
I like her & don't want to impugn her character. I believe she reached an erroneous conclusion Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #25
Sorry. Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #30
I understand people that see it like you do. Just in my mind I have a slightly different opinion. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #31
IMO everybody should be aiming their fire at Trump and the GOP 24/7 Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #26
Can we not have the gun metaphors? Merlot Nov 2017 #40
Especially DFA. Howard Dean is voicing his disappointment in them. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2017 #36
BERNIE 2020!!!! Catch2.2 Nov 2017 #38
No. We need young blood leftofcool Nov 2017 #52
ok, comrade Skittles Nov 2017 #66
Jesus Fucking Christ. VOX Nov 2017 #67
BOT.BOT.BOT.BOT.BOT nt Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #72
Yep. The same thing posted three times in about an hour. George II Nov 2017 #76
That's three times today. What's your point? George II Nov 2017 #75
Agree Meowmee Nov 2017 #57
I agree completely mcar Nov 2017 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Nov 2017 #60
I'll take my own advice and focus on the real problem: The Trump Administration. Iggo Nov 2017 #62
She's now a collaborator with Putin, Trump and the whole deplorable gang. VOX Nov 2017 #68
She always seemed somewhat aloof to me Dem2 Nov 2017 #70
did you read the agreement? scipan Nov 2017 #73
Yes Are_grits_groceries Nov 2017 #74
I agree with every word you wrote Stinky The Clown Nov 2017 #78
do not lump warren with Brazille DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #80

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
7. That's true. But it broke my heart.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:47 AM
Nov 2017

My father, who was in NYC construction through the early 90s, is spinning in his grave. He wouldn't subcontract to Trump(R)'s subcontractors.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
9. I understand.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:49 AM
Nov 2017

I’m not Jewish, but I basically ‘sat shiva’ on almost all my friends and family.
I am persona non grata and proud of it.
It is sad though.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
10. I'm actually having a hard time with it. I know I can't have a meanigful relationship
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:52 AM
Nov 2017

with him because he and his wife feel the need to gleefully put a political dig into every conversation, and their politics are ridiculously ignorant. But I miss the time when I didn't know they were ridiculously ignorant.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
24. Well, DM me anytime.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:49 AM
Nov 2017

I basically left my FB timeline as scorched earth against the Trumpkins.
Many think it’s aok.
I would stipulate one thing RIGHT NOW if you continue to see your friends. No political talk. If they tell you that’s because you know they are right, tell them you have plenty of rebuttals but have been avoiding all out battles.

Unfortunately, we will never go back to the earlier time. I cannot unsee or unhear what they said. I
WILL NOT have anything to do with racists or those who support them, tacitly or otherwise. That is my immovable line in the sand. FOREVER.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
29. Well said. And that's good advice, and yes. The line is immovable. Regardless of who is trying to
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:52 AM
Nov 2017

move it.

Thank you. I appreciate your response.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
77. I went to a family (not mine) party last night where political talk and devices were banned
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:40 AM
Nov 2017

It was boring.

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
79. I'd rather be bored than argue with someone who will never see reason. And using devices during
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:10 AM
Nov 2017

a party is rude.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. DFA has a lot of die-hard Sanders supporters and anti-Democrat
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:18 AM
Nov 2017

"Progressives," and DFA officially endorsed him in 2016. Those folk like anything that hurts Democrats, excuse me, I mean proves they're right that the party is too corrupt to continue and needs to be destroyed so they can take it over.

Brazile is trying to realign with the Sanders movement, her very stupid and unethical behavior having killed her careers with the Democratic Party and CNN.

I suspect her attack article on Democrats is her way of pumping up her resume for a new career, not just her book sales. We'll have to see how treachery appeals to Sanders (or someone else rising on the anti-Democrat left). I'd guess not much, but he may find her useful for something. Like Tulsi Gabbard.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. I don't understand. Is that a threat? If so, to whom?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:59 AM
Nov 2017

Brazile?

If so, me neither. She accepted a position as chairman of the DNC, even if only temporarily. She was hired by the Democratic Party and given a position of trust. And the timing of this attack threatens not only the Virginia governor's race but empowers the right.

So agree. I also certainly will never forget not only that she should never be trusted but to carefully scrutinize anyone who accepts her as an ally or employee for signs of bad character.

Way too many of those in government, and I'm sure you agree.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
34. With you. I'm a registered Democrat and she betrayed me
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:14 AM
Nov 2017

personally, not just some amorphous "they."

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
69. Northam won't allow sanctuary cities so ICE can continue rampages unchecked
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:29 PM
Nov 2017

Rosa? The 10 year old child with cerebral palsy, rounded up by ICE from her emergency surgery? Northam thinks that's ok.

DFA withdrew their support over Northams bullshit immigration policy

lkinwi

(1,477 posts)
46. I emailed the DFA
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:19 PM
Nov 2017

Asked them how much Gillespie gave them to throw the election. (I know, I know...immature, snarky, whatever)
Their reply was to encourage me to read their full statement. They are focusing on Fairfax and down ticket democrats. They never endorsed Northam because of their commitment to their values. Blah blah







Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
48. Boy, so no backing off or clarifying what might have been
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:45 PM
Nov 2017

a misunderstanding. Wow!

I didn't remember that Gov. Dean broke ties with his own organization and went to see what he was saying because I couldn't believe he would approve this. He doesn't.




So, it's neck and neck, Gillespie up by 1% a poll yesterday. A Gillespie win would give Repubs complete control in Virginia, including during redistricting after the next census. And of course, be touted as a major victory for Rump.

Then of course there will be repercussions for Virginians. Can we at least hope no DFA members live there, or at least none who need things like healthcare? Or sanctuary cities? Virginia not only has none to protect now, but a loss by Northam will guarantee it'll stay that way.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
4. According to this Mother Jones article, Donna Brazile is now backing away from those "rigged"
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:44 AM
Nov 2017

accusations. I would guess so, since it has been pointed out that her process at arriving at that conclusion was wrong


http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/donna-brazile-and-the-latest-great-hillary-scandal/


Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
8. Too late.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:47 AM
Nov 2017

Nobody listens to the retractions in the huge roar about the first statement, especially from ‘Mother Jones’.

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #8)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Well, not the right for sure. But what else are you thinking of?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 12:31 PM
Nov 2017

Just that they don't have a large circulation?

In any case, I appreciated this sensible and happily compact summary so much I'm going to send MJ another $5. Been a long time since I have. $10. There's David Corn's part in helping the "dossier's" author get it out while keeping him alive and and forcing the FBI to stop burying and start investigating.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
23. She can back away all the way to Mars but it won't do any good
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:48 AM
Nov 2017

She has caused damage. She has provided ammo to the ReichWing, who will gleefully use it to drive us further toward their desired dystopia. We'll be hearing about this for years in election campaigns.

Response to The Genealogist (Reply #23)

LenaBaby61

(6,965 posts)
51. Brazile cannot back away now ....
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:39 PM
Nov 2017

Too much, too little, too late .... for Donna now

&list=RDbPkK1CNPtjk&t=11
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
53. Is that the right link or
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:08 PM
Nov 2017

what did I miss in the article? Somehow -- I didn't see anything about Brazille backing away. Orfor that matter about her erroneous process.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
54. It is right in the article. Here, I will post the quote from the article, and the tweet Brazille
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:35 PM
Nov 2017

herself wrote:

"So Brazile herself, though she obviously disapproves of the JFA, says the primaries weren’t rigged and there was no internal corruption at the DNC that favored Clinton. In something that suprises me not at all, it appears that even though Clinton had substantial authority and could have rigged things, she instead used this authority to raise lots of money; make sure the DNC hired competent people; and try to get the party apparatus working again.
In the end, then, this strikes me as almost classic Hillary: she did nothing wrong, but practically went out of her way to make it look like she was doing something slippery. I have never seen another human being do this so frequently. But, in fact, it looks like she really didn’t do anything seriously unscrupulous here, and nearly everyone agrees that, in the end, the primaries weren’t rigged in any serious way.²"

here is the tweet from Ms. Brazile herself from the article I linked:


?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fkevin-drum%2F2017%2F11%2Fdonna-brazile-and-the-latest-great-hillary-scandal%2F

Just read down on her current tweents, and she reiterates that it wasn't rigged

https://twitter.com/donnabrazile?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F%3Fcom%3Dview_post%26forum%3D1002%26pid%3D9796460


 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
55. Thanks -- but that's a "walkback" of what she didn't say to start with
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 04:44 PM
Nov 2017

She never said -- and in fact went out of her way to say the opposite, that she looked everywhere within the DNC for that kind of internal corruption and didn't find it.

She has NOT, however (to my knowledge, which is why I asked for corroboration) walked back anything about the joint agreement in the Fall of 2015, the one that this Feb 2016 article describes so well (and validates what Brazille said and more -- but you have to read the whole article):

Democratic Party fundraising effort helps Clinton find new donors, too February 20, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraising-effort-helps-clinton-find-new-donors-too/2016/02/19/b8535cea-d68f-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html

still_one

(91,965 posts)
56. Sorry, it isn't a walkback, she previously used the word "rigged", and in HER tweet she undid that
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:00 PM
Nov 2017

The tweet is from Nov. 3, 2017.

"No, the primary system wasn’t rigged! States control primary ballots."

Perhaps though she may find it convenient to delete that tweet as she did when she tweeted in early October of this year:

"The Weinstein Company has taken the lead against sexual harassment and assult"

The bottom line is IT WAS NOT RIGGED. In 2008 Obama was the outsider. Hillary was still Hillary, and was the
favored candidate of the DNC. The RULES were the same. Hillary lost because Hillary got less votes in 2008.
In 2016. Bernie lost because Bernie got less votes in 2016. No one lost for any other reason. There was no rigging. If Sanders had gotten more votes he would have won, he DIDN'T




Ms. Brazile obviously is going through some kind of Hillary derangement syndrome

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.6c1669526234


 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
58. Eh, no --
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:16 PM
Nov 2017
The tweet is from Nov. 3, 2017.
"No, the primary system wasn’t rigged! States control primary ballots."


Which had nothing whatsoever to do with her original comment, the one that created this firestorm.

I just don't see it as a walkback about the joint funding memo.

And from my point of view, it's not about who won or lost the primary and why or who would or would not have won anyway -- it's about what happened and whether it should have happened or not.

still_one

(91,965 posts)
61. What happened is Comey 11 days before the election sent a letter to the republicans, and the
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:38 PM
Nov 2017

media reported that “the email investigation had been reopened”. That was a LIE, and that didn’t stop CNN, MSNBC, etc from parading every right winger across the screen to propagate that lie

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
63. Totally agree
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:43 PM
Nov 2017

*I* felt the energy go out of her campaign when that happened. It was that bad.

Edited to add: I like this explanation by pnwmom:

Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691


Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
12. She jumped in to agree that the primary was rigged.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:28 AM
Nov 2017

That added some validation to this erroneous report. I don’t mean go away forever.
Just stop talking about this for a while.

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
15. Unlike Brazile, Warren has yet to issue a retraction. This will not go away until she does.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:04 AM
Nov 2017

Last edited Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Warren was one of Hillary's key surrogates on the campaign trail. I just don't understand how she could do this to Hillary, and the Democratic Party. She knows better. She knows the Dem primary was not rigged. How could she say such a stupid, destructive and false thing? It makes me physically ill. I thought for sure she would have issued a clarification by now. Why is she handing Trump--and Gillespe--a gift?

I sincerely hope she did not mean what she said and the delay in clarification is due to the weekend.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
39. "She knows better???" Elizabeth Waren is not a liar
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:41 AM
Nov 2017

It's her opinion that the primary was rigged. A lot of people believe that. Sure felt that way during the debates.

I'm ok with democrats having differing opinions, that's what makes us dems instead of lockstep repubs.

SunSeeker

(51,378 posts)
65. Warren is entitled to her own opinion, but she stated this as a fact.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:14 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe she meant something different, but it was certainly construed as her endorsing the factually incorrect claims of Donna Brazile regarding the Dem primary.

I sincerely hope she did not mean what she said and will issue a retraction/clarification any moment now.


Response to Kogaratsu72 (Reply #11)

Hamlette

(15,394 posts)
50. She said "rigged" Donna did not
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:22 PM
Nov 2017

As Mother Jones asks, why was she so dramatic about the alleged "cancer" call to Bernie when she found the primary was NOT rigged?

Trump and Warren used the word "rigged". Donna called it a cancer but said it was NOT rigged. Why Donna called it a cancer is unknown.

The word "rigged" is so politically charged its use has done a disservice to the discussion.

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
14. Always important to remember - there are Democrats and Republicans.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:57 AM
Nov 2017

But there are other divisions - politicians vs non-politicians.

And uber wealthy vs those just making ends meet.

And narcissists vs the rest.

It is complex - and it is hard to know how people are motivated.

So I always try to see things through a lens of complexity and nuance, rather than just us vs them.

onetexan

(12,994 posts)
37. Of course there are differing views and stances within the party
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:34 AM
Nov 2017

there are moderates, far left, conservative... but you don't go and sell out your own. What Warren did is completely INEXCUSABLE as the thread poster said. I was just as floored and sorely disappointed in her. She clearly is not a party uniter. My gut feeling says she is envious of Hillary and will do whatever to promote herself. She did take her time to endorse Hillary leading up to the nomination when ALL other Congresswomen did.
I for one won't be voting for her if she is setting herself up for 2020. She just proved she isn't qualified as far as leadership abilities and party loyalty are concerned.

NRaleighLiberal

(59,940 posts)
49. Just speaking for myself, I don't profess to know a fraction of what really goes on behind
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 01:06 PM
Nov 2017

the scenes, or what sorts of games get played. All I can do is shake my head as I see our political process in general fall apart into countless camps, with all of us the victims as nothing gets done, or worse.

I am really pretty much fed up with all of it.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
17. Media needs to grill Brazile on the facts.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:11 AM
Nov 2017

She screwed up badly, and it wouldn't surprise me if other parties claimed she libelled them, even if she cannot be sued. I think Warren needs to revisit the facts and apologize if she drew wrong conclusions from facts in error.

This is a mess that needs cleaning up, but I doubt DB will help.

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
20. I cant quite by that.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:41 AM
Nov 2017

If she needed a lot of money for some vital reason, a lot of people would have helped.

As I said, she is a savvy pol and his been in the arena for decades. I cannot believe that she thought the rigged comment would not generate a tidal wave.

If she wanted to write and publish at a date not RIGHT before elections, then so be it.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
22. Have not seen any comments of how all these conservative racist misogynistic assholes
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:46 AM
Nov 2017

are taking the words of a BLACK WOMAN as the absolute truth.

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #20)

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
25. I like her & don't want to impugn her character. I believe she reached an erroneous conclusion
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:49 AM
Nov 2017

and I am disappointed in her poor judgment with this whole mess AT THIS TIME!

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
30. Sorry.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:53 AM
Nov 2017

She is too smart and been around too long not to understand the implications. Hell, anything published right before these elections would probably be twisted into fodder for the right.

There is NO time to really let rebuttals seep in.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
57. Agree
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:04 PM
Nov 2017

She’s just trying to sell her book- she has no morals and does not care about the negative effects this could have by putting all these lies out there. She’s crazy imo.

Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

VOX

(22,976 posts)
68. She's now a collaborator with Putin, Trump and the whole deplorable gang.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:26 PM
Nov 2017

Donna B. has enabled the shit out of every horrible person involved in the business of dismantling America's democracy. She's utterly dead to me. And Elizabeth Warren is on life support.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
70. She always seemed somewhat aloof to me
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 11:29 PM
Nov 2017

Just not a person I ever connected with. I also thought she was weak in her argumentative style.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
74. Yes
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 05:37 AM
Nov 2017

She referred to one agreement. She failed to include subsequent agreements that puts HRC and the campaign in a different light.

In addition, why just call Bernie?
Why not call Hillary too and find out what her opinion is? She might have avoided the whole agreement mess if she had.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
80. do not lump warren with Brazille
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:18 AM
Nov 2017

Brazille is the one who wrote a big damned book and made sure that it got press.

I understand -->SOME<--- clinton people do not like Warren, but there is a canyon wide gulf between being a critic and being a mercenary assassin, which is what DB is, and will forever will be.

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