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I have admired Donna Brazile for a long time. I have disagreed with her on occasion but in general I believe she has been a good member of the Democratic Party.
I have never been so disappointed in somebody like I am Brazile. I have no idea why someone as savvy as she is would write such a book that at the least was not checked thoroughly.
I do not begrudge her writing a book. However, she knows damn well that any kernel of a possible disagreement on the left will be distorted and touted by the right.
In addition, to release it now, right before some vital elections, is inexcusable. She needs to stop trying to explain and digging a deeper hole. She and Warren just need to go away at this point and on this issue.
IMO everybody should be aiming their fire at Trump and the GOP 24/7. If there are disagreements then at this point keep them in house. I would normally not say this but I feel that the country is balancing on a knifes edge. We cannot afford to distract from this.
And I cannot print what I think of the DFA.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)but he does not have the reach nor the ability to make news.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)My father, who was in NYC construction through the early 90s, is spinning in his grave. He wouldn't subcontract to Trump(R)'s subcontractors.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Im not Jewish, but I basically sat shiva on almost all my friends and family.
I am persona non grata and proud of it.
It is sad though.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)with him because he and his wife feel the need to gleefully put a political dig into every conversation, and their politics are ridiculously ignorant. But I miss the time when I didn't know they were ridiculously ignorant.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)I basically left my FB timeline as scorched earth against the Trumpkins.
Many think its aok.
I would stipulate one thing RIGHT NOW if you continue to see your friends. No political talk. If they tell you thats because you know they are right, tell them you have plenty of rebuttals but have been avoiding all out battles.
Unfortunately, we will never go back to the earlier time. I cannot unsee or unhear what they said. I
WILL NOT have anything to do with racists or those who support them, tacitly or otherwise. That is my immovable line in the sand. FOREVER.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)move it.
Thank you. I appreciate your response.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)It was boring.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)a party is rude.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,320 posts)started by Howard Dean supporters that recently trashed the Dem candidate in VA governor's race
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"Progressives," and DFA officially endorsed him in 2016. Those folk like anything that hurts Democrats, excuse me, I mean proves they're right that the party is too corrupt to continue and needs to be destroyed so they can take it over.
Brazile is trying to realign with the Sanders movement, her very stupid and unethical behavior having killed her careers with the Democratic Party and CNN.
I suspect her attack article on Democrats is her way of pumping up her resume for a new career, not just her book sales. We'll have to see how treachery appeals to Sanders (or someone else rising on the anti-Democrat left). I'd guess not much, but he may find her useful for something. Like Tulsi Gabbard.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)And so will a lot of other people.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Brazile?
If so, me neither. She accepted a position as chairman of the DNC, even if only temporarily. She was hired by the Democratic Party and given a position of trust. And the timing of this attack threatens not only the Virginia governor's race but empowers the right.
So agree. I also certainly will never forget not only that she should never be trusted but to carefully scrutinize anyone who accepts her as an ally or employee for signs of bad character.
Way too many of those in government, and I'm sure you agree.
paleotn
(17,781 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)personally, not just some amorphous "they."
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Just gonna watch. Hopefully this was a very bad misstep.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Rosa? The 10 year old child with cerebral palsy, rounded up by ICE from her emergency surgery? Northam thinks that's ok.
DFA withdrew their support over Northams bullshit immigration policy
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)lkinwi
(1,477 posts)Asked them how much Gillespie gave them to throw the election. (I know, I know...immature, snarky, whatever)
Their reply was to encourage me to read their full statement. They are focusing on Fairfax and down ticket democrats. They never endorsed Northam because of their commitment to their values. Blah blah
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a misunderstanding. Wow!
I didn't remember that Gov. Dean broke ties with his own organization and went to see what he was saying because I couldn't believe he would approve this. He doesn't.
Link to tweet
So, it's neck and neck, Gillespie up by 1% a poll yesterday. A Gillespie win would give Repubs complete control in Virginia, including during redistricting after the next census. And of course, be touted as a major victory for Rump.
Then of course there will be repercussions for Virginians. Can we at least hope no DFA members live there, or at least none who need things like healthcare? Or sanctuary cities? Virginia not only has none to protect now, but a loss by Northam will guarantee it'll stay that way.
still_one
(91,965 posts)accusations. I would guess so, since it has been pointed out that her process at arriving at that conclusion was wrong
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/donna-brazile-and-the-latest-great-hillary-scandal/
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Nobody listens to the retractions in the huge roar about the first statement, especially from Mother Jones.
still_one
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just that they don't have a large circulation?
In any case, I appreciated this sensible and happily compact summary so much I'm going to send MJ another $5. Been a long time since I have. $10. There's David Corn's part in helping the "dossier's" author get it out while keeping him alive and and forcing the FBI to stop burying and start investigating.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)She has caused damage. She has provided ammo to the ReichWing, who will gleefully use it to drive us further toward their desired dystopia. We'll be hearing about this for years in election campaigns.
still_one
(91,965 posts)started.
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LenaBaby61
(6,965 posts)Too much, too little, too late .... for Donna now
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)what did I miss in the article? Somehow -- I didn't see anything about Brazille backing away. Orfor that matter about her erroneous process.
still_one
(91,965 posts)herself wrote:
"So Brazile herself, though she obviously disapproves of the JFA, says the primaries werent rigged and there was no internal corruption at the DNC that favored Clinton. In something that suprises me not at all, it appears that even though Clinton had substantial authority and could have rigged things, she instead used this authority to raise lots of money; make sure the DNC hired competent people; and try to get the party apparatus working again.
In the end, then, this strikes me as almost classic Hillary: she did nothing wrong, but practically went out of her way to make it look like she was doing something slippery. I have never seen another human being do this so frequently. But, in fact, it looks like she really didnt do anything seriously unscrupulous here, and nearly everyone agrees that, in the end, the primaries werent rigged in any serious way.²"
here is the tweet from Ms. Brazile herself from the article I linked:
Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fkevin-drum%2F2017%2F11%2Fdonna-brazile-and-the-latest-great-hillary-scandal%2F
Just read down on her current tweents, and she reiterates that it wasn't rigged
https://twitter.com/donnabrazile?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2F%3Fcom%3Dview_post%26forum%3D1002%26pid%3D9796460
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)She never said -- and in fact went out of her way to say the opposite, that she looked everywhere within the DNC for that kind of internal corruption and didn't find it.
She has NOT, however (to my knowledge, which is why I asked for corroboration) walked back anything about the joint agreement in the Fall of 2015, the one that this Feb 2016 article describes so well (and validates what Brazille said and more -- but you have to read the whole article):
Democratic Party fundraising effort helps Clinton find new donors, too February 20, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democratic-party-fundraising-effort-helps-clinton-find-new-donors-too/2016/02/19/b8535cea-d68f-11e5-b195-2e29a4e13425_story.html
still_one
(91,965 posts)The tweet is from Nov. 3, 2017.
"No, the primary system wasnt rigged! States control primary ballots."
Perhaps though she may find it convenient to delete that tweet as she did when she tweeted in early October of this year:
"The Weinstein Company has taken the lead against sexual harassment and assult"
The bottom line is IT WAS NOT RIGGED. In 2008 Obama was the outsider. Hillary was still Hillary, and was the
favored candidate of the DNC. The RULES were the same. Hillary lost because Hillary got less votes in 2008.
In 2016. Bernie lost because Bernie got less votes in 2016. No one lost for any other reason. There was no rigging. If Sanders had gotten more votes he would have won, he DIDN'T
Link to tweet
Ms. Brazile obviously is going through some kind of Hillary derangement syndrome
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.6c1669526234
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)"No, the primary system wasnt rigged! States control primary ballots."
Which had nothing whatsoever to do with her original comment, the one that created this firestorm.
I just don't see it as a walkback about the joint funding memo.
And from my point of view, it's not about who won or lost the primary and why or who would or would not have won anyway -- it's about what happened and whether it should have happened or not.
still_one
(91,965 posts)media reported that the email investigation had been reopened. That was a LIE, and that didnt stop CNN, MSNBC, etc from parading every right winger across the screen to propagate that lie
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)*I* felt the energy go out of her campaign when that happened. It was that bad.
Edited to add: I like this explanation by pnwmom:
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
still_one
(91,965 posts)hatrack
(59,446 posts).
Kogaratsu72
(53 posts)Just asking...
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)That added some validation to this erroneous report. I dont mean go away forever.
Just stop talking about this for a while.
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 4, 2017, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)
Warren was one of Hillary's key surrogates on the campaign trail. I just don't understand how she could do this to Hillary, and the Democratic Party. She knows better. She knows the Dem primary was not rigged. How could she say such a stupid, destructive and false thing? It makes me physically ill. I thought for sure she would have issued a clarification by now. Why is she handing Trump--and Gillespe--a gift?
I sincerely hope she did not mean what she said and the delay in clarification is due to the weekend.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)It's her opinion that the primary was rigged. A lot of people believe that. Sure felt that way during the debates.
I'm ok with democrats having differing opinions, that's what makes us dems instead of lockstep repubs.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)She jumped in with both feet to agree.
This story shows that a rigged primary was bs.
She has not retracted her words.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/donna-brazile-and-the-latest-great-hillary-scandal/
SunSeeker
(51,378 posts)Maybe she meant something different, but it was certainly construed as her endorsing the factually incorrect claims of Donna Brazile regarding the Dem primary.
I sincerely hope she did not mean what she said and will issue a retraction/clarification any moment now.
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Hamlette
(15,394 posts)As Mother Jones asks, why was she so dramatic about the alleged "cancer" call to Bernie when she found the primary was NOT rigged?
Trump and Warren used the word "rigged". Donna called it a cancer but said it was NOT rigged. Why Donna called it a cancer is unknown.
The word "rigged" is so politically charged its use has done a disservice to the discussion.
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)But there are other divisions - politicians vs non-politicians.
And uber wealthy vs those just making ends meet.
And narcissists vs the rest.
It is complex - and it is hard to know how people are motivated.
So I always try to see things through a lens of complexity and nuance, rather than just us vs them.
onetexan
(12,994 posts)there are moderates, far left, conservative... but you don't go and sell out your own. What Warren did is completely INEXCUSABLE as the thread poster said. I was just as floored and sorely disappointed in her. She clearly is not a party uniter. My gut feeling says she is envious of Hillary and will do whatever to promote herself. She did take her time to endorse Hillary leading up to the nomination when ALL other Congresswomen did.
I for one won't be voting for her if she is setting herself up for 2020. She just proved she isn't qualified as far as leadership abilities and party loyalty are concerned.
NRaleighLiberal
(59,940 posts)the scenes, or what sorts of games get played. All I can do is shake my head as I see our political process in general fall apart into countless camps, with all of us the victims as nothing gets done, or worse.
I am really pretty much fed up with all of it.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)She screwed up badly, and it wouldn't surprise me if other parties claimed she libelled them, even if she cannot be sued. I think Warren needs to revisit the facts and apologize if she drew wrong conclusions from facts in error.
This is a mess that needs cleaning up, but I doubt DB will help.
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Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)If she needed a lot of money for some vital reason, a lot of people would have helped.
As I said, she is a savvy pol and his been in the arena for decades. I cannot believe that she thought the rigged comment would not generate a tidal wave.
If she wanted to write and publish at a date not RIGHT before elections, then so be it.
TNNurse
(6,911 posts)are taking the words of a BLACK WOMAN as the absolute truth.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)They all lie except about Hillary to those mooks.
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Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)and I am disappointed in her poor judgment with this whole mess AT THIS TIME!
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)She is too smart and been around too long not to understand the implications. Hell, anything published right before these elections would probably be twisted into fodder for the right.
There is NO time to really let rebuttals seep in.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Catch2.2
(629 posts)BERNIE SANDERS 2020!!!!!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Skittles
(152,967 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Shes just trying to sell her book- she has no morals and does not care about the negative effects this could have by putting all these lies out there. Shes crazy imo.
mcar
(42,210 posts)She is such a disappointment.
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Iggo
(47,489 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Donna B. has enabled the shit out of every horrible person involved in the business of dismantling America's democracy. She's utterly dead to me. And Elizabeth Warren is on life support.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)Just not a person I ever connected with. I also thought she was weak in her argumentative style.
scipan
(2,296 posts)Because I don't find her characterization of it substantially wrong.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)She referred to one agreement. She failed to include subsequent agreements that puts HRC and the campaign in a different light.
In addition, why just call Bernie?
Why not call Hillary too and find out what her opinion is? She might have avoided the whole agreement mess if she had.
Stinky The Clown
(67,697 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,615 posts)Brazille is the one who wrote a big damned book and made sure that it got press.
I understand -->SOME<--- clinton people do not like Warren, but there is a canyon wide gulf between being a critic and being a mercenary assassin, which is what DB is, and will forever will be.