Donna Brazile called the Vermont Senator w/her "findings" but he was lowkey

[Madam45for2923]

She describes a phone call where she told Sanders of her findings but he sounded lowkey.

Which she took as him being magnanimous.

She called Bernie Sanders to tell him about all this, but first “I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.” (In fact, it turned out not to be an emotional call. Apparently Bernie didn’t care much.)

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/11/donna-brazile-and-the-latest-great-hillary-scandal/

[Madam45for2923]

1. This was at the time.

[ehrnst]

47. Not correcting her? Magnanimous? (nt)

[Madam45for2923]

48. LOL! I know! Since she was mistaken in her conclusions she took it that way @ d time.

but now we know better so what looks magnanimous is something else. A mistery.

[GusBob]

2. Her description of his reaction struck me as odd

One would think that he would vent and ask questions or be surprised or upset

The whole thing is weird with the candle and gospel music, like so self serving

I don't know much about DB, but I get the impression she is not a brilliant scholar type

[Madam45for2923]

4. Sounds like she was surprised too and thought he was being magnanimous which she did not expect

The whole thing about candles & gospel music sounds fine to me.

Everyone has ways to brace themselves for what they believe would be an uncomfortable moment.

[OnDoutside]

10. I hope she kept those candles, she's gonna need them !!!

[Hortensis]

20. I knew this back in 2015, the people who wrote and published

just the the one article I probably read about it knew back in 2015, and so did Sanders back in 2015.

And it stretches credulity past breaking to imagine that even a temporary chairman of the DNC, her own salary probably paid with money raised by Hillary to prop up a DNC badly in debt, didn't know perfectly well long before she accepted the honor of that position.

[GusBob]

15. I'm sorry but no

Read the quote "she says" she said to him about finding the cancer

People don't talk like that on the phone or in person "Good evening Dave, we found your dead puppy, don't worry looks as if he didnt suffer"

Either she can't write, cant think, or is painting a self portrait

[Madam45for2923]

18. I feel more magnanimous myself about her than others here. JMO.

We have to agree to disagree.

I hate what she did but I do not hate her.

[TheBlackAdder]

56. Perhaps "Gospel Music" is used as a literary device, akin to "Believe Me" or "Would I lie?"

[NCTraveler]

3. He had probably already read the agreements.

And understood them.

[Madam45for2923]

5. Should have relayed to her.

[emulatorloo]

9. Maybe he did. He sure didn't jump on the bandwagon yesterday, even when Trump tried to

bait him. Maybe Donna was addled a bit what with all the scented candle fumes, lol

---------

Feel like Howard Dean's tweet needs to be in every Donna Brazile thread from here on out.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

"Turns out the memo Donna spoke about applied only to the general election. If so then this memo is standard operating procedure for 15 years"

[Madam45for2923]

11. But Our Revolution did with a mailer asking for donations over the whole "rigged" mess.

[emulatorloo]

14. Egg on their faces now, right?

Warren's too.

[Squinch]

73. No. It'll make money and most people will never hear that the whole thing is a farce.

The damage is done.

Hillary is our modern-day witch, and too many - including many who deny it - just love to hang her over and over on no evidence.

They have been at it for 30 years.

[ehrnst]

58. Yes, within the hour.

Perhaps they knew they had limited time before the factchecking started?

[NastyRiffraff]

31. Howard Dean should know

about the standard procedures in the DNC. You would think Donna Brazile would know too, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say apparently she doesn't. The alternative is that she DOES know and wrote what she did anyway.

[NCTraveler]

22. We dont know the facts of the call.

I don’t think we can discredit some of the material and then assume she is telling the truth in other areas.

[Phoenix61]

7. Exactly!

Because Bernie is well known for not speaking up. Seriously?!? If Bernie thought he had been screwed he wouldn't have kept quiet about it.

[Madam45for2923]

13. but instead he was lowkey and not interested.

[KitSileya]

44. But he sure as hell isn't speaking up when someone else is being vilified!

He knows the truth, why isn't he setting the record straight? He damn well knows that too many will not believe it coming from anyone connected to the Hillary campaign, so why isn't he speaking up?

The Democratic Party, which he ostensibly supports, and in which he is a leader of outreach is being attacked, and he seems quite fine with it. Why? Doesn't he see how this is hurting our outreach? How can we present the Democratic Party as a sane, viable alternative to the shitshow that is the GOP for new and disaffected voters if we have fucking Donna Brazile and Liz Warren claiming we are rigging elections and put up sick candidates? Why isn't he doing his fucking job?

[mucifer]

52. He attacked trump for trying to divide the party. He focused on health care, climate change and tax

laws on his statement. He is trying to get his supporters to focus on what is right. We need to all be fighting against what's happening to the country and all the things we are losing right now and not perseverating on party infighting.

I felt Bernie's statement was great. It made trump look petty.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

67. Bernie showing, once again, he's a class act...

Is it any wonder he's among today's top active politicians?!

[ehrnst]

60. +1000.

I'm sure Liz Warren remembers the savaging she got from many Sanders supporters the minute she endorsed HRC.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

68. Speak up? You mean like others did when DB gave them CNN debate questions in advance?

[KitSileya]

75. Isn't it clear to everyone that Donna Brazile did that to set Hillary up?

I mean, do you seriously believe a policy wonk like Hillary hadn't thought of and made a policy suggestion already to all the issues raised in the debates? Obviously, Donna sent the questions in order to leak it, so that Hillary would be smeared by the accusation. It is a typical Putin strategy, and Donna either was inspired by him, or got help from his surrogates Manafort and his buddies.

[procon]

41. He signed an agreement with the DNC, too, so he knew this was a nothingburger. nt

[ehrnst]

61. Didn't want Brazile to know this, apparently. (nt)

[Kahuna7]

76. Exactly. Can you imagine bernie being low key unless

he knew she was blowing smoke. If he thought was she was saying was true he would have given her a 30 minute lecture.

[NurseJackie]

6. She can't write. I'm surprised she didn't mention the scent of the candle...

... or describe what she was wearing at that very moment.

On occasion, one finds oneself immersed in the literary throes of a piece of prose where there is very little in the way of advancement of the plot or development of the characters, but the pages are still filled with words. Since the esteemed author has allowed their writing to take a turn for the dry and dull, they gallantly attempt to overcompensate for the lack of stimulation by indulging in elaborate turns of phrase.

~Liz Bureman

[Madam45for2923]

8. Ok. But this whole shebang could've been avoided if he had corrected her "findings"

[NurseJackie]

12. Yes indeed! You're absolutely correct! It reflects poorly on BOTH of them...

... as well as a certain other Senator who didn't bother to review or confirm the information, and who hasn't bothered to retract and apologize for her accusations and insinuations.

Still, I wonder what would have motivated anyone to simply "let it ride" and not make corrections or issue any warning or advice. It's painfully obvious what the result would be by failing to take action to mitigate the damage.

Oh, wait. Okay. I see.

[Madam45for2923]

16. Warren was wrong & did not know the truth. Sanders knew the truth.

Warren should have been careful while Sanders should have been more forthcoming.

[NurseJackie]

23. If any other person knew ...

If any other person knew (and it seems likely that at least one other person did know) I have to wonder what his/her/their motivation may have been to remain silent and to allow false and inflammatory information to be spread. Who benefits from such a thing?

If we can ascertain the answer to that last question, then we'd be on the correct path to determining the motive of any person who failed to speak out when given the opportunity, thus allowing false information to be spread, and causing damage to the party as well as damaging personal reputations.

[Madam45for2923]

33. Yep, it is a small detail but very telling. Would be interesting if reporters asked both ab ph call

[emulatorloo]

19. I'm sorry, Brazile owns this. She and her publishers had an obligation to get the facts right

Given where her credibility is right now I wouldn't believe her if her tongue came notarized. That includes her characterization of her call with Bernie. . We've found out her core concept was totally fictional.

[Madam45for2923]

21. She is a big girl and yes she owns this. I hate what she did but I do not hate her.

JMO.

[ehrnst]

62. Bingo. (nt)

[Me.]

35. But She Did Decribe Her

AGONY......

[NurseJackie]

36. ###

[PubliusEnigma]

17. Donna is really dumb. She lost her job at CNN and needs some money now.

That's all this is.

[cilla4progress]

24. Bernie is a complete class.act,

gracious and intelligent. Consistent and authentic. Honest. That is why he drew the incredible support. People can tell. I have followed him for years. I didn't know what to expect when he ran for Prez and he earned my respect and admiration even more.

He no doubt knew he was being used or manipulated in the call. He no doubt saw through it. Bernie does not play politics. He is above it.

[radical noodle]

34. Bernie doesn't play politics?

He's been playing politics for what.... 40 years?

[ehrnst]

63. Yeah.... Career politician. (nt)

[NurseJackie]

39. The honest thing to do would be to let someone know when they're wrong.

He no doubt knew he was being used or manipulated in the call. He no doubt saw through it. Bernie does not play politics. He is above it.

It's impossible for you to know what he did or didn't know... but for the sake of discussion, let's assume you're correct.

If he did know he was being "used" and chose to say nothing to correct the mistake... if he didn't challenge her intent or error... if he decided to let-it-ride knowing that there would be fallout that damaged the Democratic Party... then indeed he was "playing politics".

I'm sorry, you can't have it both ways. It's one or the other... not both.

[KitSileya]

45. And if he didn't quite know what she was angling for then, and was reticent,

that time is over now. He needs to speak out and lay this to rest once and for all. Everyone here *knows* that many won't believe anyone connected to or supporting of the Hillary campaign, so he needs to step up and do his fucking job. Why he hasn't already, I don't know, but I can only think of very unflattering reasons for refraining to set the record straight.

[NurseJackie]

49. Those unflattering reasons you hint at are likely the same ones that come to my mind as well...

... it's disappointing to me, but not at all surprising. And, for obvious reasons, it's safest for me to just leave it at that and not elaborate any further. It's clear that we both understand what we're referring to. No need to go into details.

[ehrnst]

64. Jeff Weaver has spoken for him.

"Weaver" thinks that the DNC owes an apology to Bernie.

A "thank you" is in order from Sanders to HRC for keeping the Democratic Party that Sanders needed for his run financially afloat, when Sanders refused to do so.

[ehrnst]

57. In what way would Brazile be using Bernie?

What manipulation was going on?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

69. Gracious, almost to a fault. Bernie just keeps showin why he's an extremely popular political leader

[Madam45for2923]

70. We see Bernie very differently. And that's ok. We got to agree to disagree.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. We do and, yes, that IS okay... maybe, in a weird kinda way, this latest

incident with DB can bring us all together to defeat the REAL common enemy. Wouldn't that be ironic?! Here's hopin!!

[Tatiana]

25. I honestly feel like even if something untoward happened, Bernie would not discuss it.

He understands the threat facing this nation is too great to be bickering over things that we can't change at this point.

In some ways, I think that is what made his candidacy attractive to Democrats. Though he is an acknowledged Independent, he embodies a lot of the traits we would like to see in members that actually call themselves Democrats.

[Madam45for2923]

27. The point is that nothing untoward was going on w/regards with DB's findings. He knew that.

[KitSileya]

46. So instead he'll let Brazile and Warren spread lies about the Democratic Party

because what? Because he would like to not "bicker"? He would ruin, perhaps permanently, our chance of getting the country back on track this Tuesday, and next year, because he would like to stay above the fray? Fuck that! He has a job in Democratic Party, as so many here keep reminding us. It's time he fucking did his job, and worked to present the party to new and disaffected voters - and letting this shit show of fake accusations and attacks go on when he could stop it in its tracks is lower than low.

[ehrnst]

65. Who benefits from that mistake that Brazile made?

Certainly not the country.

Or the Democrats.

[ehrnst]

59. Not discuss it with who?

The person that is telling him this?

Why?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. Well said!! Certainly one of MANY reasons why I supported Bernie in the primary

and followed his uplifting message to unify around electing Hillary for President over that Nazi scumbag currently squatting in the White House. We would be wise to follow Bernie's lead in this latest unfortunate episode and move forward, espousing the traits you so eloquently mention.

[jalan48]

26. Bernie's from NYC. I don't think he's the type of guy that takes anything someone says to him at

face value. He probably was thinking, "What is this woman up to? Isn't she the one that leaked the debate question?"

[Madam45for2923]

28. I am from/in NY myself. Interesting explanation, that's all am gonna say. Someone should ask him.

[jalan48]

29. Maybe it was the gospel music he could hear in the background and he thought,

"Why is she calling me from church?"

[Madam45for2923]

30. Not sure why people harping on her gospel music, am atheist myself, but it seems fine with me.

[jalan48]

32. Not harping, it was meant as humor. This really isn't about Bernie anyway-it's about Donna.

[melman]

37. Of course

All Bernie's fault!

[Madam45for2923]

42. Nah Bernie did real good! Is funny how Donna does not realize what she is saying in that excerpt

which becomes clear after you realize that she was wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Yes, everyone knows Bernie runs the DNC... seriously, Bernie is a class act.

Ironically, maybe Donna Brazile found a way to bring us all together.

[brush]

38. I'm still trying to understand her motivation. Was this her editors demanding some "juice" to sell..

the book; was the book itself a last ditch effort for a final big paycheck since her political/pundit career was just about over from the news of her leaking debate questions to Clinton; was she trying to curry favor with the Sanders wing by basically smearing the Clinton/Obama wing?

WTH was she thinking?

[Madam45for2923]

43. maybe w/her interviews tomorrow we will learn more...

[Mike Nelson]

40. "I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music...

...outside, the sound of thunder threatened to smash my bay window."

[lapucelle]

50. Not only was BS "lowkey"

about her explosive finding of a standard jfa agreement with a memorandum modeled on the one Brazile had negotiated for Gore in 2000, BS was also so concerned about HRC's troubling bout of pneumonia that he had Jeff Weaver call the DNC the day after she fainted to arrange a meeting so he that could personally convey his "get well soon" wishes.

What a guy!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. You're right... if it were me, a get-well card would have been enough.

[lapucelle]

55. I wonder if the meeting to deliver the get well card

ever materialized. Hopefully Donna addressed the matter in her book or will at least answer the question during her publicity tour.

Surely the press will be interested in knowing whether Brazile's autobiographic novel is a "tell-all" or a "tell-some" tale.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. It would be good to get ALL the facts out... the sooner the better

given it's only a year before the 2018 mid-terms.

[lapucelle]

74. And it's only two days fore the 2017 election.

The timing of the release of the narrative five days before an election is certainly unfortunate. And why is there so much silence from the famous names that the author dropped?

Don't the parties involved realize that elections happen every year?

[samnsara]

51. this is sounding more and more bizarre.....

[blueinredohio]

77. We will see what Bernie says about it

[Madam45for2923]

78. Makes sense.

[Madam45for2923]

79. Kicking!