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The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:11 PM Nov 2017

The role of Semion Mogilevich. I think this is important.

This is a desperately terrifying story about who is now running the USA. I think it's true - it's all well-sourced journalism. I highly recommend it.

This is not about Dems vs. Repukes any more. This is about the USA being taken over by the Russian mob under Semion Mogilevich. And the mob has a 22 year head start.

POKE THE BEAR

There is a man who controls our President. And his name is not Vladimir Putin.

On December 31, 1999, when Vladimir Putin was first elected, this Don controlled the President of Russia. Litvinenko committed his life thereafter to bringing him down.

Both Bob Levinson and Alexander Litvinenko hunted the most brilliant, dangerous, powerful, criminal mastermind the world has ever seen.

This is not hyperbole. This is SEMION MOGILEVICH.

Remember what happened to Litvinenko. This is why Mueller's investigation is looking less and less like a counterintelligence investigation, and more like a mob investigation. It looks like the highest levels of the US government are now controlled by the Russian mob.
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The role of Semion Mogilevich. I think this is important. (Original Post) The_jackalope Nov 2017 OP
I came across this somewhere when I was sitting in the airport in Incheon, of all places. pangaia Nov 2017 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author sagesnow Nov 2017 #2
That's an interesting thing to say. The_jackalope Nov 2017 #7
I don't know what sage snow said. pangaia Nov 2017 #13
They've nailed this one to the wall, all right. The_jackalope Nov 2017 #14
One of the contributors to this new site, Jay Mc, convinced me months and months ago Leghorn21 Nov 2017 #3
Related to Sater. Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #4
TIMELINE HERE: http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/ Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #5
The horrid new piece for me was that Mogilevich controls Putin. Jesus. The_jackalope Nov 2017 #6
The Russian Mob Connection . . . peggysue2 Nov 2017 #8
"There is a cancer on the Nation..." The_jackalope Nov 2017 #11
Yes peggysue2 Nov 2017 #12
Malwarebytes says the link is bad oldtime dfl_er Nov 2017 #9
The link is healthy. The_jackalope Nov 2017 #10
I had no prob with Malwarebytes pangaia Nov 2017 #15
I think their site keeps being attacked. MelissaB Nov 2017 #20
I just finished reading the site dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #29
Rather breathless and spectacular doomsday conspiracy theory. Nitram Nov 2017 #16
We'll see, won't we? The_jackalope Nov 2017 #17
Yes we will. Nitram Nov 2017 #18
The logic rings true ... 'control' would suggest that such an investigation would not move forward mr_lebowski Nov 2017 #24
Their goals are very different. Nitram Nov 2017 #33
They've got the entire ReThug "leadership" doing their bidding. They don't work for America. nt chimpymustgo Nov 2017 #27
That tells you how deep it has penetrated, unfortunately. nt The_jackalope Nov 2017 #28
Wow, you mean the "leadership" who can't get anything done? Nitram Nov 2017 #42
Rings true. It has reminded me at times of a mob organization. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #19
Well, we knew the Republicans were mobbed up. PatrickforO Nov 2017 #21
This site is very suspect BadGimp Nov 2017 #22
It's brand new today. The_jackalope Nov 2017 #26
Not nonsense. Been duplicated in other places before this. Duppers Nov 2017 #32
Check their biblio pages - the sourcing is very deep. The_jackalope Nov 2017 #34
Ah, the site is now working for me. Duppers Nov 2017 #35
Was Felix Sater involved anyhow, too? Roland99 Nov 2017 #23
Yeah, sater is part of the BlackRock group dixiegrrrrl Nov 2017 #30
Good Question peggysue2 Nov 2017 #31
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2017 #25
Definitely worth reading - I've got the link saved, so I can follow it. But I don't quite get what NBachers Nov 2017 #36
Lincoln's Bible seems to be just the twitter handle of one of the journos The_jackalope Nov 2017 #37
Is Trump America's Yeltsin? The_jackalope Nov 2017 #38
The Russian oligarchy seems to using Shock Doctrine tactics on America, The_jackalope Nov 2017 #39
Kick. sarcasmo Nov 2017 #40
Thank you for posting this! triron Nov 2017 #41

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
1. I came across this somewhere when I was sitting in the airport in Incheon, of all places.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:16 PM
Nov 2017

I was on the way to Qingdao.

Glad you posted it.

Response to The_jackalope (Original post)

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. I don't know what sage snow said.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:04 PM
Nov 2017

Also, the stuff i saw was miniscule compared to the detail laid out here.
Just some names.. outline....i mean i was sitting waiting for a flight...
But when i saw your post i remembered it...

Leghorn21

(13,522 posts)
3. One of the contributors to this new site, Jay Mc, convinced me months and months ago
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:27 PM
Nov 2017

that this whole nightmare is brought to us by Semion Mogilevich. Full stop.

Jay is an immaculate, detailed, passionate researcher, along with his other compatriots.




Thanks, jackalope -

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
6. The horrid new piece for me was that Mogilevich controls Putin. Jesus.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:42 PM
Nov 2017

The USA is in very deep shit. The more people focus on Donna Brazile, the deeper the country sinks.

Serious existential danger time. If I was a believer I'd say pray for Mueller and Schneiderman. Those two guys are up against the combined might of Russian and global organized crime.

peggysue2

(10,823 posts)
8. The Russian Mob Connection . . .
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:50 PM
Nov 2017

is absolutely important. And one need't go to a single source because the subject and its terrifying relevance has been researched and discussed at a number of venues.

H2O man had a thought provoking post up earlier. In it, he talked abut the prosecutorial method of finding the weak spots, the keys as a legal investigation evolves into indictments and charges

This is not unlike how mobsters go about finding front men--professionals, businessmen, politicians--as a cover for their criminal enterprises. They look for people with weaknesses/vulnerabilities, they apply leverage (seduce/threaten), and then they squeeze and squeeze and squeeze some more. If this is how Mueller and his team are progressing (and I've read this elsewhere) then they're turning the tables on the perpetrators, using that same method to zero in on the most vulnerable to exert leverage, turn state evidence. It's a fight fire with fire approach. And it's how I understand legal teams traditionally go after Mob Families.

It's been known for well over a decade+ that the Russian mob had moved beyond Russian borders, that they saw the US as a rich, tempting feeding ground. Manafort was under surveillance by the FBI long before he joined the Trump campaign. His weakness from the mob's perspective was probably his ability to rack up debt and who knows what unseemly appetites a Paul Manafort might have? And gee, who else has a debt/bankruptcy problem? None other than Donald J. Trump who has managed to work with Russian-linked 'entrepreneurs'--think Felix Sater, one of many--building casinos and hotels, and then standing back as the businesses go belly-up. But not before Trump has siphoned millions of the business assets for himself and perhaps his conspiring friends who need their dirty money washed. And remember Trump has flatly said he's NEVER been involved with the Russians.

I sense that when this ugliness fully breaks open, we're going to be shocked by the true nature of what the Trump/Russia link really means, that it goes way beyond the election of 2016 (as bad as that was) into something far more sinister and dark. There are lots of links out there. Before anyone dismisses the subject as mere conspiracy theory, you should read up, look at the Mob/Trump Dynasty's history. It's been a long, continuous relationship. And frankly, it's horrifying because the tendrils are everywhere. Something like a cancer. Imagine that!

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
11. "There is a cancer on the Nation..."
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 05:55 PM
Nov 2017

I feel like Mueller and Schneiderman are trying to disarm a hydrogen bomb.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
29. I just finished reading the site
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:07 PM
Nov 2017

here:
http://www.citjourno.org/page-1

It explains a lot of questions I had about Trump's hotel deals. They all had a silent partner, who, when looked at closely, was mob related. Not necessarily the russian/American mob, but sometimes eastern Europ, or twice, Asian.

When you remember 1998 Russian economy crash, it is about that time that Trump started laundering money by quickly building the hotels all over the place.A few years after the condos and whatever had been sold, some of the hotels went bankrupt. In a couple of cases, Trump, thru an LLC, would then buy them back!
The only way that made sense, esp. in the rapid timing of it all, was if money laundering was going on.

the guy who died of polonium poising, had ratted on the Russian mob, then fled to London where he thought he would be safe.

Manfort is in trouble. If he squeals, or even if THEY think he squealed, he will given a Russian heart attack.
Many of the dead Russians involved in the Trump candidacy were mob hits.

The way this site has put together information makes it hard to think of any other situation that makes as much sense.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
16. Rather breathless and spectacular doomsday conspiracy theory.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:26 PM
Nov 2017

I'll give you points for originality.

Yes, Donnie and Pootie are involved with Russian gangsters. Up to their necks. No, they haven't infiltrated the US government to the point where they are "running" the government. If they were, Mueller's team would never have been formed in the first place. You greatly underestimate the resilience of the US government.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
18. Yes we will.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 06:31 PM
Nov 2017

I do indeed have faith in Mueller's team of experts, and the judges who will hold Trump in check long enough for Mueller to finish his work.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
24. The logic rings true ... 'control' would suggest that such an investigation would not move forward
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:39 PM
Nov 2017

if the investigation were even convened at all.

Taking things to 'a single brutal foreign mobster is controlling our government' is taking things a bit far imho.

Now, if this dude also had the aid of the Kochs and Mercers and Waltons and Jaime Dimon's of the world ...

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
33. Their goals are very different.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:43 PM
Nov 2017

They would never cede control to a "single brutal foreign mobster." They want to be the "single brutal foreign mobster," and they would not risk losing control to such an entity. They would not risk their fortune and power just to gain assistance from such an entity.

BadGimp

(4,012 posts)
22. This site is very suspect
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:16 PM
Nov 2017

Absolutely no Alexa data.
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/citjourno.org#trafficstats

SimilarWeb has nothing

Archive.org/The WayBackMachine has nothing except a 11/4/2017 update
http://web.archive.org/web/*/citjourno.org

Read this nonsense at your own peril imo

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
26. It's brand new today.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 09:00 PM
Nov 2017

The contributing journos have been around for a while, and are well known in the citizen journalist community. It's legit.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
32. Not nonsense. Been duplicated in other places before this.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:36 PM
Nov 2017

I don't like the site either but just Google for info. It is NOT nonsense.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
34. Check their biblio pages - the sourcing is very deep.
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:45 PM
Nov 2017

There are literally hundreds of links to official and mainstream sources organized by both timeline and person. Every twist and turn they describe is sourced.

http://www.citjourno.org/bib
http://www.citjourno.org/bibpeople

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
23. Was Felix Sater involved anyhow, too?
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 07:25 PM
Nov 2017

Donald Trump And The Felon: Inside His Business Dealings With A Mob-Connected Hustler
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2016/10/03/donald-trump-and-the-felon-inside-his-business-dealings-with-a-mob-connected-hustler/#1bafe37c2282Sponsored

That would not bode well for the Donald


Btw, how did the Sater link alone not sink his campaign???

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
30. Yeah, sater is part of the BlackRock group
Sat Nov 4, 2017, 10:21 PM
Nov 2017

that was formed to pass along money.
The Russian Mafia of today is very clever in use of lawyers and lots of LLC companies to pass money along, and to hide behind.
Sater also goes way back, 30 years or so, with Manafort and Trump. There are pics and articles.
Sater also has been known, in the past, to rat out his companions. Surprised he is still alive.

NBachers

(17,081 posts)
36. Definitely worth reading - I've got the link saved, so I can follow it. But I don't quite get what
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 03:10 AM
Nov 2017

Lincoln's Bible is about. I get the impression that I should see something more than I do about Lincoln's Bible.

Meanwhile: Look back to the destabilization of the USSR when it fell apart. It appeared, for a short while, like a Russian Spring may develop into a nation of free expression and citizen businesses. We've seen, unfortunately, how Russia got taken over by political mob terrorists and launched itself into a worldwide crime syndicate. Unstoppable, in the open, and worse than anything SPECTRE could ever dream of.

In reading Poke the Bear, I drew parallels to Russia's destabilization, and the obvious sabotage that's being directed at every department and bureau of the United States. As our democracy and social order break down, it creates the opportunity for the Russian crime syndicates, with help from traitors within, to plunder and siphon off our lives and our national treasure.

The Republican Party is frantically working to explode our democracy and social order, and blast our national treasure to the mob oligarchs. We aren't just collateral damage; we're lives to be harvested.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
37. Lincoln's Bible seems to be just the twitter handle of one of the journos
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:24 AM
Nov 2017

In 1998 The Russian oligarchs got a lot of practice at siphoning huge wealth out of a collapsing society. It looks like they're trying to recreate those conditions in the US, for the same purpose.

These guys are the real Vampire Squids.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
38. Is Trump America's Yeltsin?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:37 AM
Nov 2017

The parallels aren't exact of course. But it's worth noting that a weak leader is essential to creating a severe national financial crisis that opens the doors to large-scale exploitation by organized crime. That's what happened in 1998 in Russia, where these senior economic mobsters got their training in where to jam their blood funnels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Russian_financial_crisis

The same players seem to be trying to create similar conditions in the US. Pray for the safety of Mueller and Schneiderman, and spread the truth.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
39. The Russian oligarchy seems to using Shock Doctrine tactics on America,
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 10:36 AM
Nov 2017

To soften it up for the coming economectomy.

After the US being the Shock Doctrine perpetrator for so long, it looks like the Russians figure it's now America's turn in the barrel.

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