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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:30 PM Nov 2017

Shooter identified as Devin P. Kelley: N.Y. Times


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Texas Church Shooting Leaves at Least 25 Dead, Official Says - The ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/us/church-shooting-texas.html
6 mins ago - A gunman, identified by law enforcement sources as Devin P. Kelley, walked into a Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Tex., and opened fire.

<Snip>Two law enforcement sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation, identified the gunman as Devin P. Kelley. <snip>
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Shooter identified as Devin P. Kelley: N.Y. Times (Original Post) louis c Nov 2017 OP
Devin? itsrobert Nov 2017 #1
Thanks, corrected louis c Nov 2017 #2
Is this him? Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #3
Oh, gawd.. that tweet. hlthe2b Nov 2017 #4
What a creep NewsCenter28 Nov 2017 #29
A misogynist as well. Look of someone with no empathy. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #30
Maybe but if you don't know then why put it out? Baconator Nov 2017 #46
I know now. It's 100%. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #47
His FB page has been shut down. Kingofalldems Nov 2017 #5
Sounds like a typical gun-humper. Saw one report that he walked in in combat gear Hoyt Nov 2017 #6
A total 100% coward. Why do we let cowards have guns? nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #7
Republicans? n/t NNadir Nov 2017 #21
GOP are COWARDS. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #26
If you werent a coward, you wouldnt feel the need to own many of those guns Nevernose Nov 2017 #40
Exactly. Only a coward uses a machine gun against unarmed adults and children. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #42
Oh, good Nevernose Nov 2017 #49
I knew what you meant. Especially since I never have and never will own a gun. nt Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #51
At one point Id amassed a small arsenal Nevernose Nov 2017 #61
I may follow your lead Sienna86 Nov 2017 #63
Good for you, if I had a hobby which caused the death of innocents, I would find a new hobby. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #65
We should start making a list of everything we can think of to do something about the gun violence. Irish_Dem Nov 2017 #68
Shootin' shit is fun Blecht Nov 2017 #76
For many people, it IS all about fun Nevernose Nov 2017 #78
A local man? AJT Nov 2017 #8
IN law lived there per the story I read, not sure if it was her church or what lunasun Nov 2017 #20
Taught at a freakin' bible school. Squinch Nov 2017 #53
People on FB from that area are claiming he is antifa and a radicalized atheist militant nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #9
Of course they are nini Nov 2017 #11
Just like they claimed the Las Vegas shooter was a recent convert to radical Islam-- Mrs. Overall Nov 2017 #14
I always thought he was a trump supporter nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #35
These people get so defensive MountCleaners Nov 2017 #37
How does one know that people on FB are from that area or know anything about him jberryhill Nov 2017 #16
They claimed to see his FB page before it was taken down nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #17
Okay, so people one does not know saw something one cannot see? jberryhill Nov 2017 #18
Because one of the people is claiming to know victims nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #19
Claiming..... lunasun Nov 2017 #23
Do you know this person? jberryhill Nov 2017 #27
No I dont believe them Im just saying what I saw nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #32
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a (Russian?) dog Ezior Nov 2017 #59
Dont know too many Polly Hennessey Nov 2017 #58
Thank you cwydro Nov 2017 #39
That's why he taught bible school after 5 yrs in the air force lunasun Nov 2017 #22
I dont get these people nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #25
The ones on Facebook? jberryhill Nov 2017 #31
Yep nt maryellen99 Nov 2017 #33
Of course they are. TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #34
It's made up bullcrap. itsrobert Nov 2017 #55
Well hes a white guy so of course he will be a nut. Voltaire2 Nov 2017 #74
Bump. itsrobert Nov 2017 #86
Another man was misidentified exboyfil Nov 2017 #10
Excellent point! Va Lefty Nov 2017 #12
Breaking: locals identify Texas Church Shooter as Devin Kelley Judi Lynn Nov 2017 #13
A Linkedin says he served exboyfil Nov 2017 #15
More info from...Linkedin and Daily Beast Cattledog Nov 2017 #24
reporting this on msnbc now. mopinko Nov 2017 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author NewsCenter28 Nov 2017 #38
lol that's a hoax - same shit was spread after Vegas, including that name. Drunken Irishman Nov 2017 #41
Has it been verified he killed his family first maryellen99 Nov 2017 #36
RWers all over Twitter MountCleaners Nov 2017 #43
I'd only use Twitter to see tweets from official sources NewsCenter28 Nov 2017 #44
They should be reminded that from 1941-1945 the USA was on the anitfa side. kydo Nov 2017 #45
Well, they didn't get their antifa war yesterday gratuitous Nov 2017 #64
Someone on Twitter is saying... MountCleaners Nov 2017 #66
It just amazes me that they just MAKE SHIT UP! TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #72
I wonder if he's been employed since he left the Air Force in 2013 TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #48
They say he was dishonorabley discharged ... Drunken Irishman Nov 2017 #50
And court-martialed. No info yet for the reason. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2017 #52
Ah. Hard to get a good job with that, at least anywhere that does background checks. N/t TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #56
Who gave him a gun, then? jmowreader Nov 2017 #73
He spent a year in confinement with his conviction Sancho Nov 2017 #85
I read he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, not Dishonorable stevenleser Nov 2017 #83
My guess in this parlor game? Horse with no Name Nov 2017 #67
That's what I'm thinking too TexasBushwhacker Nov 2017 #70
especially not in Texas Horse with no Name Nov 2017 #71
From what I read, he got a Bad Conduct discharge, not the Dishonorable Discharge stevenleser Nov 2017 #82
Exactly itsrobert Nov 2017 #75
Trump has his people on it...If a Muslim did it they are terrorist... SummerSnow Nov 2017 #54
One correction maxrandb Nov 2017 #57
When real news is "fake" and propaganda to the bitter third is "real" Mr. Ected Nov 2017 #60
Well it could turn out he was a very religious Christian and they can't have that so the rumors lunasun Nov 2017 #62
I watched the video of last week's service in that link jmowreader Nov 2017 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Not Ruth Nov 2017 #77
You do realize I am a veteran don't you jmowreader Nov 2017 #79
What do you think of this new post? Not Ruth Nov 2017 #88
I think its not applicable to this situation jmowreader Nov 2017 #89
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #81
Another gunman who assaulted his wife marlakay Nov 2017 #80
It is a common indicator. I worked DV exclusively for several years as a deputy Lee-Lee Nov 2017 #84
My ex got physical with me at end marlakay Nov 2017 #87
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Sounds like a typical gun-humper. Saw one report that he walked in in combat gear
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:37 PM
Nov 2017

or something. That has not been verified though.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
40. If you werent a coward, you wouldnt feel the need to own many of those guns
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:08 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe a DESIRE, but too many people feel a NEED. There’s a big difference.

Shootin’ shit is fun. Targets, cans in the desert, old cars. I’m not going to lie.

But if you feel like the only way you can protect yourself is with an AR 15? Either you’re a coward drastically overestimating the threats against you, or you’ve got problems way too big for an AR15 to solve.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
49. Oh, good
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:30 PM
Nov 2017

I was getting ready to edit, in case you didn’t understand between the general Internet You and the specific, singular Hey You.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
61. At one point Id amassed a small arsenal
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:53 PM
Nov 2017

All inherited from various family members, some weirder than others? (Like, what the fuck am I going to do with an Uzi? Who buys one of these things? And then leaves it in the box, but uses more expensive guns?)

I sold many of them years ago, about the time my kid was old enough to start walking and getting into shit. I kept a few because I felt I had to. They’re fully functional, or would be if all the parts were in the same building, but there are clear instructions in my will on how to reassemble them and which museum I want them donated to.

The only one I kept for self-defense I literally took apart piece by piece after Newtown. I threw one piece in the garbage every day. Did I lose money? Yeah. Was it a futile gesture? Probably. But I know that of the five hundred million firearms in the streets, it won’t be MINE that’s responsible for yet another tragedy.

It was selfish, stupid, and irresponsible to keep it as long as I did.

And I was making the world a shittier place. One more gun is one more piece of fuel in the forge of the American Gun Nut. We’ve been letting billion dollar industries write the regulations and the propaganda, and American “gun culture” has, in the last couple of decades, become something really perverse.

Sienna86

(2,149 posts)
63. I may follow your lead
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:29 PM
Nov 2017

Kept thinking about who would melt it down. I like your idea. I would never want it used to harm someone.

Irish_Dem

(46,880 posts)
65. Good for you, if I had a hobby which caused the death of innocents, I would find a new hobby.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:39 PM
Nov 2017

I'm glad you got rid of the guns after Newtown. I don't understand how anyone could keep a gun after that.

Irish_Dem

(46,880 posts)
68. We should start making a list of everything we can think of to do something about the gun violence.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:45 PM
Nov 2017

I like the ideas posted here about getting rid of guns that are just part of the gun culture.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
76. Shootin' shit is fun
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 11:28 PM
Nov 2017

I grew up in a small town, and my best friend's uncle was the mayor -- he had a fucking arsenal. He'd take us kids out shooting targets when we were 12 or so. I got to fire a few fully automatic weapons. I loved it.

I've never felt the need to take it any further, and I have never personally owned a gun.

But I still look back on those target shooting expeditions fondly.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
78. For many people, it IS all about fun
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:18 AM
Nov 2017

And, like I said, all of my guns were inherited from dead people. I got rid of them (except for a couple that are literally suitable for, and willed to, a museum).

Shootin' shit is fun.

I don't think people really think about when they're carrying it too far or when they're promoting a national culture that's simply unhealthy. Never considered what the "practice" part of "target practice" really means (hint: y'all ain't practicing for more paper targets. That's why it's called "practice.&quot . Have you noticed how virtually all of the recent "lone wolf" mass shooters have been wearing "tactical gear?" It seems to be all of the crazies, at least.

Too many of these people are running around the desert, dressed up like soldiers, running "militia" websites, listening to "alternative" facts, and playing Army Man. Fucking overgrown man-children.

I think eventually, for some of these boy-men, they get tired of waiting for their hero fantasies to come true and instead decide to be the villain.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
20. IN law lived there per the story I read, not sure if it was her church or what
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:52 PM
Nov 2017
https://www.thedailybeast.com/devin-patrick-kelley-idd-as-sutherland-springs-church-killer
Devin Patrick Kelley has been identified as the gunman who killed at least 24 people at a church in Texas, a U.S. official tells The Daily Beast. Kelley, 26, was a resident of New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, according to public records. Kelley was married and Kelley's mother-in-law listed a P.O. box in Sutherland Springs as a mailing address. San Antonio police reportedly raided Kelley's home on Sunday evening. A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school. On a now-deleted Facebook account, Kelley recently displayed an AR-15 style gun, ABC News reports.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
14. Just like they claimed the Las Vegas shooter was a recent convert to radical Islam--
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:48 PM
Nov 2017

turns out, in recent news reports, he was huge Trump fan.

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
37. These people get so defensive
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:06 PM
Nov 2017

when it is some white guy who had a fascination with guns. Just watch for the sickening reaction to this revelation - all over FB and Twitter. Statistically, and given the particulars of the situation, it is more likely to be a white guy. These people need to learn to deal.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. Okay, so people one does not know saw something one cannot see?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:51 PM
Nov 2017

Then how is being “from that area” relevant?
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. Do you know this person?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:57 PM
Nov 2017

So, one of these people on Facebook is claiming to know victims.

And if a person on Facebook claims to know one or more victims, then they know the beliefs of the shooter?

And he is an atheist Sunday school teacher?


Kelley, 26, was a resident of New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, according to public records. Kelley was married and Kelley's mother-in-law listed a P.O. box in Sutherland Springs as a mailing address. San Antonio police reportedly raided Kelley's home on Sunday evening. A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school. On a now-deleted Facebook account, Kelley recently displayed an AR-15 style gun, ABC News reports.

Ezior

(505 posts)
59. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a (Russian?) dog
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:40 PM
Nov 2017

I wonder how sick those people are in their heads to make up things about a terrible event like this, just to blame liberals.

Or maybe someone pays them for it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. The ones on Facebook?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:59 PM
Nov 2017

Oh, that’s simple. There was supposed to be a big uprising this weekend, and fake people on Facebook will attempt to tie this incident into that hoax.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
34. Of course they are.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:02 PM
Nov 2017

Maybe if he's antifa they'll finally do something about gun control.

It says he's from New Braunfels. That's 35 miles north of Sutherland Springs. He either drove or he's relocated. They said on the news that they are taking a canine unit to his home to look for explosives.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
55. It's made up bullcrap.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:37 PM
Nov 2017

They do this every shooting. My money is the guy was a nut, was or is going thru a breakup with wife/GF. (Had children together). Profile pic on Facebook had 2 young kids on it. Wife's family probably members of that church.

Voltaire2

(12,995 posts)
74. Well hes a white guy so of course he will be a nut.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:55 PM
Nov 2017

Certainly if he was a right wing white Christian this will be another unfortunate case of a “nut” who “just snapped”. Nothing we can do about that.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
10. Another man was misidentified
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:43 PM
Nov 2017

I hope that convenience store clerk that said that name is held to account.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
13. Breaking: locals identify Texas Church Shooter as Devin Kelley
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:45 PM
Nov 2017

Locals have identified Devin Kelley as the church shooter, though the media has not yet confirmed. Facebook has removed his profile. Reports state he was tracked down and shot by authorities after he shot everyone in the church in Sutherland Springs. Currently the death toll is at 27.

His profile banner is a picture of a gun he recently posted about affectionately.
Read more at https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bcb_1509918989#Ye5YHw5TG57kWKit.99

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
15. A Linkedin says he served
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:48 PM
Nov 2017

in the US Air Force.

He volunteered at Vacation Bible School for a Baptist Church.

Of course take information with grain of salt. Maybe another person. Maybe a fake account.

Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
24. More info from...Linkedin and Daily Beast
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 06:56 PM
Nov 2017

Devin Kelley, 26

- Taught Bible study

- Mother-in-law has Sutherland Springs PO box

Response to mopinko (Reply #28)

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
44. I'd only use Twitter to see tweets from official sources
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:21 PM
Nov 2017

If you click the "latest" icon on any tweets for breaking news events, all you get is right-wing trash and, as, all we know, Trump-loving, Russian troll farm posts. Remember how we found out just recently that the Russian troll farms were tweeting support for Donald Trump's NFL stand from Vladivostok (lol).

kydo

(2,679 posts)
45. They should be reminded that from 1941-1945 the USA was on the anitfa side.
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:24 PM
Nov 2017

As the opposite of anti fascism is pro fascism. Nazi's tend to favor the pro fascist ideas. Most Americans tend to support anti fascist ideas. So where do they suppose they fit in that?

MountCleaners

(1,148 posts)
66. Someone on Twitter is saying...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:40 PM
Nov 2017

He brought a copy of Das Kapital with him and draped an antifa flag over the altar.

Can't believe the shit people post on social media.

One of these days, an Alex Jones "deep state" theory adherent is going to do a mass shooting, and they know this, which is why they practice denial.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
72. It just amazes me that they just MAKE SHIT UP!
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:07 PM
Nov 2017

Most claim to be Christians. What happened to "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
48. I wonder if he's been employed since he left the Air Force in 2013
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:29 PM
Nov 2017

I wonder if he served in Afghanistan. PTSD?

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
73. Who gave him a gun, then?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:37 PM
Nov 2017

There's some stuff on the Internet that points out he could have bought an 80-percent complete lower receiver (which is not complete enough to qualify as a "gun" therefore doesn't have to be transferred over a Form 4473) and used a drill press to finish it. I'm seeing reports that he had a "Ruger" AR-15. Ruger only sells complete guns, which DO have to be transferred over Form 4473.

A court-martial conviction carries the same weight as a felony conviction, and it follows you out into the civilian world...which means he couldn't have legally purchased a gun. Watch it turn out he bought his rifle from a garage sale.

I'm also a little surprised at his characterization of discharge. In almost all cases, conviction at general court-martial (which is how you get dishonorably discharged) gets you sent to Leavenworth for a few years. This guy gets a DD and is walking the streets right away? Color me shocked.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
83. I read he got a Bad Conduct Discharge, not Dishonorable
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:53 AM
Nov 2017

It’s a bad Discharge to have on your record but it still isn’t quite as bad as the Dishonorable Discharge. https://themilitarywallet.com/types-of-military-discharges/

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
67. My guess in this parlor game?
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:44 PM
Nov 2017

He is a crazy POS gun humper who is going through a divorce and custody battle.
A custody battle will make the sanest of people nuts.
You throw in a gun humper?
You've got a Domestic Violence nightmare.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,165 posts)
70. That's what I'm thinking too
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 09:04 PM
Nov 2017

And with a dishonorable discharge, his employment opportunities aren't going to be great.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
82. From what I read, he got a Bad Conduct discharge, not the Dishonorable Discharge
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:52 AM
Nov 2017

Bad Conduct Discharge is one step up from a Dishonirable Discharge. https://themilitarywallet.com/types-of-military-discharges/

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
54. Trump has his people on it...If a Muslim did it they are terrorist...
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:36 PM
Nov 2017

if the person is white, find out if they are Conservative or Liberal. if they are Liberal, they will blame Hilary and Obama. If they are Conservative he is mentally ill.If the person is Latino, they are illegal and MS 13. If they are black they belong to BLM and a liberal.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
60. When real news is "fake" and propaganda to the bitter third is "real"
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:47 PM
Nov 2017

This tragedy has nothing to do with guns nor anything to do with white males.

They have to fabricate a blatant lie and repeat it endlessly to avoid owning their gargantuan fuck-ups.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
62. Well it could turn out he was a very religious Christian and they can't have that so the rumors
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 07:54 PM
Nov 2017

of antifa fit thier comfort zone better than air force vet and bible study leader .
Progress I guess from the old " possessed by the devil ", but not much...

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
69. I watched the video of last week's service in that link
Sun Nov 5, 2017, 08:55 PM
Nov 2017

It's a little creepy sitting here knowing that seven days after that video was made, a lot of those people were killed.

They looked nice enough...just small town people doing their weekly duty to their Lord and Savior, like millions of other people do all over the country. It's hard to even imagine why someone would just decide to walk into a building and blow people away for the hell of it.

Response to jmowreader (Reply #69)

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
79. You do realize I am a veteran don't you
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:37 AM
Nov 2017

We are NOT trained to blow anyone away for the hell of it. You don't blow the enemy away for the hell of it, you don't blow that asshole who just cut you off in traffic away for the hell of it, and you sure as fuck don't blow a whole church full of innocent bystanders away for the hell of it. Blowing people away for the hell of it is My Lai Massacre shit.

Making this particular murder even more senseless: the shooter was a supply technician in the Air Force. He wasn't out there walking patrol seeing carnage and bombings every day. He had an office job. He sat in a stockroom issuing floor wax and bed linens.

If I had to speculate on a cause, I'd look at the relationship between the minister of the church he decimated and the shooter's family. Devin Kelley lived in New Braunfels, which is 35 miles from the church he shot up. There is SOME reason that man drove that far that early in the morning to commit a mass murder. If he just wanted to kill a bunch of people, he would have been better off NOT going to Sutherland Springs. The population of his home town is 74,000. The population of Sutherland Springs is 362. Thinking out loud...we know he loved his children. Is there a possibility his ex was trying to get his parental rights stripped (he wasn't exactly Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy) and Kelley thought the preacher had something to do with it?

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
89. I think its not applicable to this situation
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:35 PM
Nov 2017

Our shooter was no infantryman. He was Air Force, which, with very few exceptions, does not run around killing people with rifles. He was also supply, which even in the Marines doesn’t run around killing people with rifles.

Plus, all the “killer veteran” stuff needs to end anyway. He was trying to kill his mother-in-law.

Response to Not Ruth (Reply #77)

marlakay

(11,446 posts)
80. Another gunman who assaulted his wife
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:39 AM
Nov 2017

Just maybe they need to look at this problem more. Police already say domestic violence is one of their scariest things.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
84. It is a common indicator. I worked DV exclusively for several years as a deputy
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:54 AM
Nov 2017

And one sure thing about domestic violence- it doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

It’s always a sign there are bigger problems and issues in play.

marlakay

(11,446 posts)
87. My ex got physical with me at end
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:35 PM
Nov 2017

I got restraining order but they are pretty useless. I had to leave my home for awhile until things settled down.

I am not the type to take violence I immediately left but was threatened he would kill me if I took kids.

Now many years later, kids grown up doing well, ex is clean and doing well. But could have gone real bad.

After I got restraining order he broke into house and painted in red weird stuff, reminded me of Manson and scared the crap out of me. I hid for weeks.

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