Don't take away the guns.

[2pooped2pop]

Take away the right wing hate radio (and fox) and the biggest gun problem solves itself.

[Chorophyll]

1. How about both?

Why the hell do you need guns so badly? Really.

[xchrom]

2. +1

[2pooped2pop]

4. well, I am not your typical gun lover.

I actually hate guns. My brother was killed by one and I always felt that if you have guns in your house, you are opening yourself up to a tragic accident unless you are very diligent.

Growing up, my dad kept a loaded shotgun behind the front door. A pistol in the bedroom was kept loaded. They would never have guessed that we would from time to time "play" with them. I remember my brother once doing a russian roulette kind of thing with that pistol. I'm sure my parents thought we were smart enough to leave them alone, but nope.

Since then, (it's been like 25 years since my brother died, much later in a self induced accident and not russian roulette at all ,but a shot gun that hit the floor and went off) we moved to the country. Police take a while to get here. Just yesterday a car broke down near my daughters country home. The man rang the bell, which she declined to answer. The man then plugged his cell phone into her outside elect. outlet.

He did her no harm other than scaring her, but if he had other intentions, the police would not have gotten to her in time to help. She tells me it has lately been the thing to rob secluded country homes because of the seclusion.

In the country you need a gun.

I still don't like them but when a fox tries to clean out my chicken coop, I will grab the rifle and defend my flock. I will shoot an intruder if pressed.

Other people and why they like guns so much? Not quite sure. They have a supposed coolness to them, I guess. A manly thing I guess too. They don't impress me though. I still don't like them, but I do see the usefulness of them.

I am not against stopping people from having ak47's and the like. However, this is not the issue in this country that bothers me so I don't usually chime in on it.

[mmonk]

3. Don't forget Fox.

[2pooped2pop]

7. oh hell yes

they are the worst of the worst. Added them to the original. Thanks for the reminder

[ananda]

5. I think we need rational gun control laws.

Surely we can keep the 2nd Amendment and have rational laws.

[Meg_Griffin_1]

6. More laws?

They need to enforce the laws they have now!

[Johnny Rico]

8. How do you propose that we "take away" right wing radio and Fox News?

There's that pesky 1st Amendment, you know...

[2pooped2pop]

9. First put some truth laws back into what passes as our NEWS

Hell, if they had to tell the truth and we could actually depend on our news, that would help a lot.

Then just change whats acceptable behavior. I have a problem with these hate radio, hate tv, kinds of things, while they are usually claiming to cling to Christianity of all things.

Remember when we were young and church was a lot more about loving your neighbor, being kind, helping the poor? I am not a Christian, I am not religious, but I could see a benefit to mankind when they kept people reminded of kindness. They don't do that now.

Wage a war on hate, I guess. Turn the attitude of the country back to what it was when we were proud of her. All the hate and greed has blackened our souls, mine included. I have and do feel hate now too. I hate the banksters, I hate many of the politicians and corporations that have done so much damage to mankind. But even my heart would start to turn if little by little an ambiance of love and goodness dominated our feelings about one another. Of course that only works for me if those responsible are still held accountable.

But I guess my point to that was, that when society decides that it's not cool to wage hate, then the hate talk would at least diminish. And with it much of the hateful shit coming from rightwing hate radio. The audience would fade away leaving only the most rabid fools to listen or watch them.

I'm just being wistful today after the tragedy.

[Johnny Rico]

11. So you want the Federal government, which may well be entirely controlled by Republicans at some

point in the future, to have control over the content of the media?

Then just change whats acceptable behavior.

"Just" that, huh? Is that all?

But I guess my point to that was, that when society decides that it's not cool to wage hate, then the hate talk would at least diminish. And with it much of the hateful shit coming from rightwing hate radio. The audience would fade away leaving only the most rabid fools to listen or watch them.

I'm just being wistful today after the tragedy.

I think you're being naive as well. There's a large audience for right wing radio, and it's not going to go away because you think it would be peachy and swell if it did.

[2pooped2pop]

13. I think putting the truth back would be good, yes

yes. When that law changed, they were able to blatantly lie to the masses.

Yes truth in the media.

That would mean fox could still be entertainment but not news.

But if people were called out for saying hateful shit it would also change the power of hate radio.

Some of the shit they call Obama, gays, blacks, etc would not have been openly tolerated in the past. Sure they were still racist, but they were not encouraged to be so like they seem to be now.

[Johnny Rico]

21. Would you trust a Republican administration to enforce such a law on the Left-leaning media?

But if people were called out for saying hateful shit it would also change the power of hate radio.

They're "called out" on it all the time by the Left (Media Matters, etc.). What actions do you want the government to take (if any) against right wing radio?

[2pooped2pop]

22. truth in media is checked by the people not the republicans

[PavePusher]

38. Nice dodge. n/t

[2pooped2pop]

41. if u say so n/t

[slackmaster]

17. Opinions are not subject to tests of truthiness

And it seems to be some peoples' opinions that you have an issue with.

[2pooped2pop]

18. I have an issue of promoting hate to the extreme that people

end of dead over it yes. You don't?

[slackmaster]

19. We already have laws that criminalize inciting people to commit violent crimes

Google Tom Metzger.

[GarroHorus]

10. I peruse both right and left web sites

and I swear, you can see mirror images.

The same idiocy gets spewed on both sides. ABC news speculates about Tea Party membership and Breitbart speculates about Democratic Party registration. Dig into both claims and it becomes fairly obvious that both are fishing for anything in a large sea since at least 25 James Holmeses exist in the Denver Metro area.

DU posters want to get rid of right wing radio and Free Republic posters want to get rid of what little left leaning radio exists.

And then people at both extremes complain about those of us who are more moderate? Jesus, we're the only sane people left in America!

How about let's do more to remove the stigma of seeking treatment for mental health issues? I think that would go a long way to stopping these sorts of incidents.

[Johnny Rico]

12. Fanatacism at both ends of the political spectrum, both left and right.

Eventually they meet. I don't trust anyone who wants to restrict free speech.

[2pooped2pop]

15. left wing doesn't usually encourage killing

It's not the same, no matter how much lipstick you put on it. Both sides do it really don't get it anymore.

[GarroHorus]

20. Obviously, you haven't read many left wing conspiracy sites.

The left wing conspiracy theorists promote violence as much as the right wing conspiracy theorist sites.

The biggest difference is, there are a lot more of the rightwing conspiracy theorist sites than the left wing sites.

PUMAs were a damned good example of left wing extremists who suggested violent action.

[2pooped2pop]

24. I guess it's not equal then is it?

It's not the same.

[morningfog]

34. Bullshit. RW violence is mainstream. You have to dig to find LW violence advocacy.

You are letting your mask slip.

[slackmaster]

14. Freedom of speech is one of the cornerstones of our political system

Be careful what you wish for. The next school of thought that people decide to be a "problem" might be yours.

[2pooped2pop]

16. I didn't say they would not be allowed freedom of speech

I do not think it is too much to require truth in our news.

That would not change opinion sites at all. Just mother fucking truth coming from the news media.

As to the atmosphere of hate, you can't regulate it but you can change the attitude of the country.

[Johnny Rico]

23. "you can change the attitude of the country."

Really?

How?

[2pooped2pop]

25. by not encouraging hate

By promoting right and good.

Many marketing strategies work to change attitudes.

[Johnny Rico]

33. Good luck with that.

[PavePusher]

27. "What is truth?" asked some lame-ass historical figure.....

As previously stated: Be very careful what you wish for.

[99Forever]

26. Bullshit.

This asshole couldn't have done what he did with the TOOLS of MURDER he used. Those TOOLS were guns. You cannot run from that simple fact, no matter how hard you try.

Fuck the NRA and it's supporters.

[PavePusher]

29. How many TOOLS do you want to get rid of?

It's going to have to be a very long lisrt, if history is any indicator.

[99Forever]

32. I have no interest in...

.. listening to yet another false equivalency meme from NRA apologists. My RIGHT to go into public venues without having to worry about some fucking gunfreak popping his cork and gunning me down, trumps your "right" to go around with a surrogate metal penis strapped on to make you feel "safe."

[PavePusher]

37. "gunfreak"? "surrogate metal penis"?

Are you channeling some weird mix of Nancy Grace and Freud?

And I didn't say anything about the NRA, that is your own invention entirely.

Have a nice day.

[99Forever]

40. I know 'em when I see 'em.

Bu Bye.

[AsahinaKimi]

28. While I believe you are correct some what...

I think its a bit too late. Even if Fox News and Limbaugh were to disappear tomorrow, in a flash. The minds have already been affected, and there is no way the right wing would ever see reason. Besides, they would just get more crap from the internet and places like Freeperville.

[2pooped2pop]

35. the racist were always there

but they did not spout off in public so much because it was frowned on by society. In some instances the "political correctness" went too far, by whining about every single thing that was said.

Once the bushco came in, it became suddenly ok to be racist and say hateful shit on air. They were even encouraged by members of our own govt.

They became akin to Lord of the Flies and their instinct to pick on those they did not like became inflamed. It reared up letting the inner racist finally feel free to spout the lowest of hateful dribble. It is out of control. It has ran unchecked, unquestioned for too long.

News should be fact. Hate should not be encouraged by our government.

[AsahinaKimi]

43. It was kind of a taboo not

to say Racist crap on the air waves, but once Limbaugh got away with it, and then hearing it come from FOX NEWS.. NOT to mention voices like Glenn Beck and Michael Savage...getting away with it... you are right, those listening suddenly thought they could start saying crap like that out loud. Not only saying the crap out loud, but actively turning it into violence.

I am sure the membership in the various hate groups have grown as well. What a sad state of affairs.

[2pooped2pop]

44. that's exactly what I mean.

A very sad state. And they claim patriotism and God. Both of those they have none of.

[Erose999]

30. Take away the guns. Melt them down and make dildo's. Because FUCK THE NRA AND GUN NUTS!!

[2pooped2pop]

39. I think you can see from my posts

that I am not a gun nut and not an NRA supporter.

[Taverner]

31. Teach Empathy. This is not a problem you can rid of by taking away something.

It is a problem you can overcome by giving away something.

That thing being the gift of empathy.

[2pooped2pop]

36. I'm not taking away

I'm giving boundaries of common decency. Not laws, just an acceptable way to behave.

The only law I am suggesting is in our news. They should be bound to tell the truth in the reporting that the citizens depend on.

teaching empathy- that's pretty much what I meant above with the things one use to learn in church and what one now learns in a church.

People are accepting hating one another as ok.

when I said in my opening post take away right wing radio, I was being more tongue in cheek than anything but truly if they prosecuted some of the haters for inciting violence and promoted empathy over hate, then maybe they would knock the bullshit down a bit.

[laundry_queen]

42. I agree empathy is the most important thing

However....I do believe a country must show empathy collectively in order to set an example to the populace. As evidenced when W was in office, the population often follows the example set for it by the leaders of the country. You can teach your children empathy, you can foster empathy within your community through projects like Roots of Empathy but when your country tortures, starts wars, strong arms other nations, refuses to care for its own vulnerable citizens, the collective mindset is difficult to sway.

[Initech]

45. How about taking away the gun *LOBBYISTS*?

[2pooped2pop]

46. I want to take away all lobbiest.

are lobbiest beneficial to "we" the people?