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[flamingdem]

1. That's a common name but let's hope this is the death knell for the teaparty

We can always dream

[GarroHorus]

2. Incredibly irresponsible on the part of ABC

The other news organizations should rip them to shreds over this crap.

[get the red out]

3. True

News organizations need to try to have their fact straight. Anybody can start googling a name. How about some real journalism?

[boxman15]

5. Exactly right.

James Holmes is an incredibly common name, if I were to guess. Just googling that name and seeing what you come up with is reckless journalism. It's about the race to be first, not the commitment to accuracy that drives so many of these news organizations, including ABC apparently.

[morningfog]

6. Must not follow any possible leads that point to the RW, eh?

[Luminous Animal]

13. A responsible journalist would investigate and confirm before speculating

on the air. This was very irresponsible journalism.

[Fawke Em]

8. Unless they got a tip from a trusted source

that linked the two.

We don't know that, yet.

When I was reporting, I often was given "deep background" on a matter and then used that information to further investigate a story. Sometimes it seemed as though I pulled a link out of thin air, but it was really a trusted source who set me on the correct path.

I'll wait and reserve judgment. ABC could be wrong, in which case, a lawsuit could be pending.

[nashville_brook]

10. i bet you're right -- the tip might be bogus, but that's likely what happened

[nashville_brook]

15. update -- this might have come from the suspect's mother...

https://twitter.com/gma/status/226294616452898816

Good Morning America tweet:
Suspect's mother tells @ABC News "You have the right person... I need to call the police... I need to fly out to Colorado.”


(that's what GMA tweeted out, but ABC News likely had a longer conversation that resulted in the Brian Ross speculation)

[GarroHorus]

30. ABC has retracted it.

They admitted not true.

[Canuckistanian]

9. I agree

Big news organizations should not be participating in raw speculation without confirmation.

Old time journalists (i.e. "reputable" journalists) must be cringing over this.

[Blecht]

43. Where have you been for the past 20 years?

"Big news organizations should not be participating in raw speculation without confirmation."

That's what big news organizations do.

That's ALL they do.

Journalism is dead.

[AngryOldDem]

11. I've heard no other network make that claim.

Totally irresponsible. Take a few minutes to do some actual investigation before you broadcast that kind of information.

[KurtNYC]

12. These are the same MSM people that said the internet can't produce the level of journalism that

they do.

This is a re-run of the ACA decision so how could the other MSM entities point fingers?

[2pooped2pop]

27. I agree. There's a huge difference in speculating on a blog or

other such people opinioned sites and the MSM.

[GarroHorus]

29. There are blogs and then there are blogs

The Breitbart site, for example, made an irresponsible claim that the shooter was a registered Democrat. They try to sell themselves as a "news site" so they are equally as irresponsible as ABC.

[gopiscrap]

4. Whether he is or not

let's be like the repukes-start throwing that shit around, some of it will stick.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

7. They really shouldn't have done that.

First, a quick search shows there are more than one, "Jim Holmes" in Aurora, CO. and they're all older than 24-years of age.

Irresponsible and foolish on ABC's part.

[GarroHorus]

14. ABC is now in good company. Breitbart News is claiming he's a registered Democrat. UPDATE

Good god, at least the ABC people went with somebody from the Denver area, Breitbart's idiots are claiming he registered as a Democrat in LaPlata County, which is almost completely the opposite side of the state from Aurora:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat

[Kingofalldems]

17. Looks like you read Breitbart, interesting.

[GarroHorus]

19. Looks like you make idiotic assumptions, interesting.

I suppose you think it was cool for ABC to make speculations about the political leanings of this shooter, too.

[Kingofalldems]

21. Nice avatar

Not buying it though.

[GarroHorus]

23. You don't have to buy anything

I'm not selling a thing.

Why don't you go peddle your papers to somebody else?

[snooper2]

37. looks like you read people who read breitbart..Even more interesting!

[GarroHorus]

46. Heh heh

[JanMichael]

16. maybe...but, the University has already confirmed he's a doctoral

student--

weird stuff going to come out about this one-

[Luminous Animal]

18. ABC News has retracted.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/abc-news-tea-party-connection-incorrect-129588.html

"An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. Several other local residents with similar names were also contacted via social media by members of the public who mistook them for the suspect".

[cali]

20. I doubt it. Demographically, the guy isn't a quick fit in the TP

He's 24 years old and the VAST majority of TP members are decades older than that.

This appears to be more stupid ass fucking stupid stupid stupid speculation.

[Luminous Animal]

25. It is stupid ass fucking stupid stupid stupid speculation. See post #18.

[progressivebydesign]

22. I'm sure that they have some inside info about this...

otherwise I doubt they'd post it. The local news station may know him. When I worked at an NBC affiliate and a newspaper, we knew ALL the guys like that, as they regularly contacted us, threatened us and others. I have no doubt that a local affiliate has done some ground work to find the guy out.

[Luminous Animal]

24. ABC has already retracted...

Brian Ross is an ass.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/abc-news-tea-party-connection-incorrect-129588.html

"An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. Several other local residents with similar names were also contacted via social media by members of the public who mistook them for the suspect".

[cali]

26. don't be sure. you are wrong. and idiot fucking ABC has retracted it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/20/brian-ross-tea-party-colorado-shooting_n_1689471.html

[Marinedem]

28. Wow.

Go fuck yourself ABC news.

Fucking life ruining, speculating, sensationalist bullshit artists.

[AngryAmish]

32. Another Teabagger terrorist

[cali]

33. except ABC news has retracted their idiotic fucking ubelievably stupid irresponsible

dogshit speculation, admitting they were flat wrong.

I posted the link upthread.

[Luminous Animal]

34. By the end of the day, half of DU will believe it is true.

[cali]

35. and that says quite a bit.

and what it says blows.

[fizzgig]

36. nbc and my local rag are identifying someone with that name as the shooter

the source is federal officials

[Luminous Animal]

39. Yes. But they are not the same person. ABC "News" has already retracted.

There are many Jim or James Holmes in Aurora.

[fizzgig]

42. i saw the retraction

and i never said it was the same person

[malaise]

40. the source is federal officials

So he's a fugging Teabagger?
Looks like an RW Fundie as well - from the home page

[Luminous Animal]

41. ABC News has retracted. See my and Cali's posts upthread.

It is not the same James Holmes.

[GarroHorus]

47. ABC retracted

The only affiliation we know for certain at this point is he was studying for a Phd in Neuroscience at the University of Colorado but stopped last month.

[backscatter712]

38. I don't want to cast blame until we have facts.

Apparently some in this thread have already debunked this.

[librechik]

44. actually, theres simply not enough identifying info at the Tea Party site to tell for sure

whether it is the James Holmes in question or some other James Holmes. I don't see their evidence that he is definitely not the same guy as yet. They just can't confirm it is, unless they asked the Teapers, and they haven't said that they did.

[Luminous Animal]

45. ABC News has already retracted and apologized. See my and Cali's posts and links

in this thread.

[IdaBriggs]

48. Am Deleting Post - ABC has already retracted.

Still sympathy to the victims, but don't want to be helping to spread "not truth news".

Posting Info here for History Purposes:

ABC News speculates - is this the Colorado shooter? (Tea Party)
Last edited Fri Jul 20, 2012, 10:45 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Here is "the page" --
http://denverteaparty.ning.com/profile/JimHolmes?xg_source=activity

This is his "upcoming activity" - a Fox News person lecturing about "global islamic terrorism" - sigh....
http://denverteaparty.ning.com/events/event/listUserEvents?user=0yurc5erotx1c

And I think this is supposed to be his "past" activities?
http://denverteaparty.ning.com/events/event/listArchive

Anyway, it would not be fun to be someone name "James Holmes" from "Aurora, Colorado" today.

Sympathy to the victims.