"Never without permission from their mothers."

[skip fox]

Think about Roy Moore's phrase concerning thier mothers' permission.

It popped out when it did because it was well practiced. It was rehearsed over an over 35-40 years ago as a defense when people asked him about his propensity to date high school girls as this Huffington Post story maintains:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/moore-dated-highschool-girls_us_5a07944ce4b05673aa59a22f

Therefore, when defending himself decades later the well-practiced phrase resurfaces again when he feels under attack.

Which supports the contention that HE DID DATE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS and that he knew it was objectionable.

[Madam45for2923]

1. And b/c it was so practiced it became a slip-up at the least opportune moment.

& he gave himself away.

[skip fox]

2. exactly

[Johnny2X2X]

3. Still sick

This was not some age of yore, this was the 80s, I was a teenager in the 80s. The norms were very similar to today. 30+ year old men who hung around high school girls were viewed as sickos just as much as they would be today. It's not like we're talking about the early 1900s when a lot of women married before they were 18. Heck, we had a couple guys that were 21 or 22 that hung out with high school kids to buy them booze in the 80s and those guys were considered losers and weird.

This was not normal, parents weren't OKing their 16 and 17 year old girls go out on dates with 32 year old men. Not even in the South. In fact, in the 80s, if a 32 year old man showed up to pick up your 16 year old girl for a date in the South, you'd fully be expected to meet them at the door with a shotgun.

And focusing on the 16-19 year old girls Moore assaulted is a diversion. He molested a little girl who was 14 at the time. He deserves to be in prison, he's an admitted pedophile. And i guarantee there are dozens of more victims who have yet come forward, several probably younger than 14.

And I have yet to hear from the parents of these little girls. I doubt they were OKing sexual encounters between their little girls and a 30 something full grown man. I would bet he lied to the parents extensively, just like he did with the mother off the 14 year old girl he molested.

[Not Ruth]

5. I have no idea what world you lived in where dads had shotguns

But when I was in high school, if anyone that was older than 20 was around, it was considered wrong. If you were a high school freshman, even college guys were gross.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. I agree

Anyone over 19 should not be hanging out with high school kids socially. Heck, I remember when I was 19 and someone introduced me to a 17 year old senior in high school, I was still viewed as too old to date a high school girl.

Moore and his minions are clouding this issue, he was a child molester, there's nothing fuzzy about that.

[SouthernIrish]

26. I was raised in Tennessee.

If a 32 year old man showed up at my house when I was a teen, my Dad would have beat the crap out of him. Not going to happen with his girls. You also didn't pull up and blow the horn for us. You had to come to the door. I'm glad he did that. He was teaching us that men should show respect to women. He would not tolerate men being mysoginist around him or his wife or kids.
.

[Dulcinea]

27. I was raised in Pennsylvania.

My dad had pretty much the same rules: Dates had to come to the door, and my father would probably have called the cops if a man in his 30s had come to the door for me or one of my sisters.

I have two teenage daughters, ages 16 & 14, & the thought of some overage pervy creep showing up at our house just makes me want to take a shower.

[Not Ruth]

32. In the city, kids just say that they are sleeping over with their friend and they will back Tuesday

Yes the friend is allegedly the same sex, whatever use saying that is. Are they really staying with the friend, what are they really up to, who knows. No one ever shows up at the house. Must be the shotguns.

[Dulcinea]

33. That's an old one.

A smart parent will check up on that., i. e. talk to the other kid's parents. No firearms needed!

[Raven]

4. The 14 year old victem said he picked her up a block from her house. That

belies his statement that he got mothers' permission.

[Grammy23]

7. Well, if you remember the first encounter,

he allegedly spoke to her mother and offered to “look out for her” while the mother was in court. So, in his mind, he believed he did get permission to be with the girl. And he just relied on that as approval. That was his cover.

You and I know that is a far cry from meeting the girl secretly, taking her to a secluded place and attempting to have a sexual encounter with her, even if his ultimate goal failed. After all, he is a pedophile, not your common, every day rapist. He had his standards.

[Johnny2X2X]

9. His goal didn't fail

He did have a sexual encounter with a young girl. Just because penetration didn't happen doesn't mean he didn't get what he wanted.

[Grammy23]

13. Yes. You are right.

The ultimate goal was intercourse, but short of that he still got something he wanted out of the encounter. And maybe, in his mind, he thought it was ok because of that. Of course, as a legal and moral matter, he knew what he did was wrong, hence the need to be secretive.

I think he will regret taking this to court. The Washington Post has interviewed 30 people for this story. The truth is there are probably many more who will emerge to spill the beans on Moore. In some ways, I kind of hope he will try to sue the Post. It will most likely spell the end of his career in politics. Finally.

[Johnny2X2X]

21. No idea his ultimate goal

Perhaps his goal was just to touch, some molesters don't ever got for intercourse because they can somehow justify the molestation in their heads if penetration doesn't occur.

Moore is a sick human being. Who knows what was going on in his head, but I suspect you're right and more girls will come forward and some of them will have been raped by him.

This guy was/is a predator, he targeted vulnerable girls who he knew their fathers weren't around. He used his power and position of authority to prey on young girls, it will not surprise me if much younger victims come forward. This guy and Trump are like two peas in a pod, I can guarantee when the Trump tapes come out it will be with very young girls, probably 14 or so too.

[Grammy23]

23. More are coming forward today.

Let the ladies speak! I am pretty sure they have stories to tell that Moore won’t like and will deny. Too bad. The day had to come.

And yes, tRump probably has stories he would rather be kept silent. No telling how many have been paid off to not tell. Perhaps the courage of women coming forward now to tell their stories will encourage others to do the same.

[Dave Starsky]

6. You missed the real tell in that statement.

Moore, a family court judge, targeted girls whose fathers he knew weren't around to support an objection and/or kick his skanky ass.

[skip fox]

11. This makes him

more culpable.

[blogslut]

17. Exactly!

I've been pointing this out. Moore targeted girls with absent fathers.

[librechik]

10. Yup--after they reach 16 in AL, you don't have to ask permission.

In Alabama you have to ask permission if they are under 16. He admitted it on Hannity.

[Gothmog]

12. Moore did date high school girls

[SandyZ]

14. Here is another point I see. Ask her mother. Not father, but mother.

Sounds like he targeted homes where there was not a father. That makes the girl even more vulnerable and in need of a father figure. It is really sounding thought out and predatory.

[skip fox]

15. Perhaps

He spent a lot of time trolling the custody court cases.

Talk about a creep.

[panader0]

16. If you have to ask the mother then the girl is below the age

to decide for herself who to date.

[MGKrebs]

18. Do you have a link or something to whatever you are referring to?

[skip fox]

20. It's in the O.P.

The exact quote was on Hannity:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/10/roy_moore_interviewed_by_hannity_generally_didnt_date_girls_in_late_teens_accusations_never_happened.html

[MGKrebs]

29. Ah, thank you.

I had heard it referred to on the radio too but couldn't find the exact quote.
That is creepy.

[Vinca]

19. Moore said something else that should give people pause. He said "I've been investigated more

than any other person in this country." Huh? I don't know about you all, but I like my politicians "uninvestigated."

[yallerdawg]

25. Roy Moore.

Meet Hillary Clinton.

[keithbvadu2]

22. Sounds like coward pedophile Ted Nugent..... Moore supporter?

[yallerdawg]

24. If you have to ask their mothers...

YOU better be a teenager, too!

Another 'tell' - not asking the father? Not having to ask a father?

[CatMor]

28. When I was 16 I thought someone 32 was ancient....

and I can't imagine a 32 year old wanting to date someone 16 except for ulterior motives. Maybe the girls were looking for a father figure not realizing what he had in mind. I can't see a mother agreeing to it.

[skip fox]

30. He likely

prowled the court, checking the docket for custody disputes.

These are the girls absent a father.

A prowling predator.

[CatMor]

31. That makes it even worse.....

using his position for that purpose. He should be disbarred.