Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:09 PM

The trickle of allegations became a stream and the stream became a flood

Sexual assault and sexual harassment is unacceptable no matter who it does it.

There are going to be more allegations in the future against people we hate and people we like. I suspect many of these allegations will be true, but how do we decide if the allegations are true or lies designed to destroy people's careers and damage their lives?

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The trickle of allegations became a stream and the stream became a flood (Original post)	Lurks Often	Nov 2017	OP
see	plcdude	Nov 2017	#1
+1000	Chasstev365	Nov 2017	#2
Mine was a general comment not aimed at any single person	Lurks Often	Nov 2017	#3
"The picture is real"	rock	Nov 2017	#4
The alleged victim disagrees	Lurks Often	Nov 2017	#5
She is free to diasgree	rock	Nov 2017	#6
Allegations are allegations and nothing more and nothing less.	Tommy_Carcetti	Nov 2017	#7

Response to Lurks Often (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:14 PM

plcdude (5,243 posts)

1. see

the replies of people who were there with Al Franken in this alleged public and photographed harassment.

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Response to plcdude (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:18 PM

Chasstev365 (5,191 posts)

2. +1000

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Response to plcdude (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:23 PM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

3. Mine was a general comment not aimed at any single person

But since you mentioned Al Franken, he has already apologized for the picture, so that means the picture is real.

Still using Al Franken and your comment "see the replies of the people who were there" who gets to decide what is and is not sexual assault and sexual harassment? The alleged victim? The alleged attacker? The people nearby, who may or may not neutral witnesses?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:45 PM

rock (13,218 posts)

4. "The picture is real"

True. A staged picture, a real picture of a staged scene. That was know from the start. Just look at it.

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Response to rock (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:59 PM

Lurks Often (5,455 posts)

5. The alleged victim disagrees

So who is right, the popular Democratic politician or that conservative woman?

Who gets to decide whether a person claiming sexual assault or harassment is right or wrong?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 04:09 PM

rock (13,218 posts)

6. She is free to diasgree

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Response to Lurks Often (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 04:23 PM

Tommy_Carcetti (41,458 posts)

7. Allegations are allegations and nothing more and nothing less.

Once made there is a duty to investigate and weigh credibility in good faith without bias towards or against anyone.

But the mere fact allegations are made against a person is not the be all and end all of anything.

For example, I could accuse you of being a right wing troll and disruptor by the curious nature of your name and some of your very curious posting habits. But that allegation proves nothing in and of itself. Still got to prove it.

That applies to allegations concerning Al Franken. And Roy Moore. And Bill Clinton. And Donald Trump.

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