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Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:49 PM

The time has come for people here to stop disparaging the Franken accusation...

...or trying to explain it away as a RW hoax. Senator Franken has acknowledged that the incident occurred. He has apologized TO THE ACCUSER. Reading efforts to explain this away is embarassing.

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Reply The time has come for people here to stop disparaging the Franken accusation... (Original post)
brooklynite Nov 2017 OP
Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #1
Sailor65x1 Nov 2017 #24
mythology Nov 2017 #35
Chasstev365 Nov 2017 #2
Eliot Rosewater Nov 2017 #4
smirkymonkey Nov 2017 #7
Ezior Nov 2017 #25
uponit7771 Nov 2017 #28
TheCowsCameHome Nov 2017 #3
True Dough Nov 2017 #5
MFM008 Nov 2017 #6
Dream Girl Nov 2017 #37
kcr Nov 2017 #8
brooklynite Nov 2017 #15
kcr Nov 2017 #19
moda253 Nov 2017 #9
B2G Nov 2017 #10
SaschaHM Nov 2017 #12
ChubbyStar Nov 2017 #17
Skittles Nov 2017 #11
SaschaHM Nov 2017 #13
Whiskeytide Nov 2017 #16
WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2017 #14
FSogol Nov 2017 #20
grossproffit Nov 2017 #18
Bleacher Creature Nov 2017 #21
LanternWaste Nov 2017 #22
rogue emissary Nov 2017 #23
Lurks Often Nov 2017 #26
SaschaHM Nov 2017 #31
Lurks Often Nov 2017 #36
katmondoo Nov 2017 #27
DonCoquixote Nov 2017 #29
brooklynite Nov 2017 #30
Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #33
Kirk Lover Nov 2017 #32
DemocraticWing Nov 2017 #34

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:52 PM

1. Wait, no, she is ALSO claiming, isnt she, that when they were ALONE he

pushed her to rehearse the kiss, etc?

THAT is the part there just so happens to be no witnesses for, not the photo.

I believe she is lying about this part, the rest of the story is known and what he did wrong was take a photo pretending to do something that was stupid to pretend to do, for sure.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:10 PM

24. Sanity is not statistical

 

The fact that only one person is telling her story alone does not make her a liar. This fallacy is the reason so many things have gone unreported.

The only apparent reason people think she's lying is that DU happens to like Franken, and see her as the enemy. People here have no trouble believing singular accounts when it goes the other way.

Pretty disgusting.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:49 PM

35. This is one of the most disgusting and frankly stupid things I've seen

 

Seriously how many rapes or sexual assaults do you think are recorded? Are all of those people to be disbelieved? Or just the ones where you like the alleged perpetrator?

People like you, with this attitude is why victims don't come forward. Because people like you jump to attack them, to call them liars.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:52 PM

2. Wrong!

 

LeAnn Tweeden is a right wing friend of Sean Hannity and this was a deliberate attempt to deflect off of Roy Moore. The video was staged and she was awake, going along with the bit! That makes this thing very different!

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:54 PM

4. Exactly, and isnt she also accusing him WHILE they were alone, how convenient

that he pursued her for a kiss?

Think so, she is lying about that.

I am fucking beside myself, when will we stop falling for these fucking liars.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:55 PM

7. +1000

 

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Response to Chasstev365 (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:11 PM

25. Let's see... Maybe you're right, maybe not

"LeAnn Tweeden is a right wing friend of Sean Hannity" -> doesn't matter, as this is unrelated to the accusations
"this was a deliberate attempt to deflect off of Roy Moore" -> it's entirely possible, but if the accusations hold true, it doesn't matter, since Franken is still to blame for his actions if the reports are true.
"The video was staged and she was awake, going along with the bit!" -> if this is true (everything was consensual), I agree that Franken is not to blame. I'm not convinced either way yet, though.

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Response to Ezior (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:37 PM

28. I disagree, when it comes to Hannity its VERY germane to the accusations. Those hacks will

... put anyone up to do anything.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:54 PM

3. Yes, agreed, but

I am very distressed by how many men have gone down this path.

Maybe I'm just told fashioned, but this behavior is just plain wrong.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:54 PM

5. Agreed

There are varying degrees of sexual harassment and assault, but wrong is wrong. What Franken did was wrong.

I don't think his resignation is necessary, unless he turns out to be a serial offender. But I am disappointed in him just the same. His moral high ground on such matters is now gone.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:55 PM

6. I don't believe her

I would apologize if I thought someone was offended even though they shouldn't be.
It's what THEY view as offensive.
She IS a maggot supporter... what a terrific way
To CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:53 PM

37. Me neither. This has the smell of a RW set up.

 

Shift the narrative, find a liberal dem we can smear. Bingo!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:55 PM

8. Not yet. I think it will turn out the photo was staged.

That's why he's calling for the investigation.

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Response to kcr (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:05 PM

15. Why then did he apologize to the accuser?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:08 PM

19. He apologized for taking the picture.

But I read his book. He apologized for the type of humor he used to engage in. He's made an effort to distance himself from that type of humor. I think that's what he's doing. He's calling for the investigation because he knows what it will reveal. I think this is exactly the right way to handle the right-wing smear machine.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:56 PM

9. The time has come for people to stop telling other people what to do.

 

You aren't the hall monitor.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 01:58 PM

10. I need to log off now.

 

Before I get myself banned for good.

Good try though. I agree completely.

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Response to B2G (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:00 PM

12. Nah, stay and fight the good fight.

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Response to B2G (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:08 PM

17. Please stay! Really your posts are illuminating

Your opinion is valid!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:03 PM

13. DO you have an actual source/quote of this claim?

Just asking because this is spreading like wildfire on twitter and no has pointed to a news source or a tweet from the photographer him/herself saying this. Heck no one has even named the photographer.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:06 PM

16. Do you have a link to the photographers ...

... comments? Was it staged by the photographer and Al, or was it staged by the photographer, Al AND Tweeden? That difference has a huge impact on her credibility.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:04 PM

14. DU never acquits itself well in these kinds of things.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM

20. Maybe that's because we are all humans with likes, dislikes, biases, contradictions, and failings.

It would be impossible to live up to the standards that people here purport.

High horses and all.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:08 PM

18. I'm sick of trial via social media.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM

21. Yes, this is an incredibly important point.

As unlikely as it is, I've long been clear that I would never support a liberal version of people like Trump, Moore, etc. And I use the word "unlikely" because there literally are ZERO Democrats in the House or Senate who are as wacky as Trump, Moore, Pence, Goehmert, Steve King, Mo Brooks, and on and on and on.

If a Democrat does something objectively wrong, we need to be willing to call him or her out on it, no matter who it is. I've long been a huge fan of Franken - and I have many posts to prove that point - but the picture is reprehensible.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:09 PM

22. Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.

 

Many people pretend to have absolute knowledge of what may or may not be discussed.

Than pretense though is much less embarrassing than it is both tedious and consistent with the narrative.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:10 PM

23. K & R!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:14 PM

26. Sen Franken is a Democrat, so of course people here will minimize the accusation

 

or ignore or excuse it or deny it ever happened.

And since the alleged victim is a conservative woman she automatically loses credibility.


I wonder what the responses would be if the alleged victim was a Democrat.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:41 PM

31. It'd be the same. A Man that people like was accused of doing wrong.

Cue the defenders.
Cue the "What was she wearing" bullshit.
Cue the photos where she showed skin.
Cue the "My daddy was an honorable man" bullshit.

That response crosses the partisan divide.

Franken may be exonerated by the ethics investigation, however that doesn't even remotely excuse the sexist shit that has popped up here today.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:52 PM

36. Sometimes the line between right & wrong here gets awfully damn blurry

 

for some posters. And you're right there is no excuse for the sexist shit that has been posted today.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:36 PM

27. The Republicans have finally found a way to make Moore just a wonderful man

and at the same time get back at Franken for harassing Sessions. Took them a while but the must have been working night and day to find the right Democrat to attack with the same charges as Moore

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:40 PM

29. questioj if he resigns

who gets to appoint his successor?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:41 PM

30. Franken apologized; the victim accepted the apology and said he shouldn't step down

DEFINITELY a R/W hoax!

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:45 PM

33. No..she's not going to say that..of course not, she's setting up her mates...

 

just watch the RW pricks...you wanna BET what they'll be saying.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:44 PM

32. Which incident are you referring to...the kiss or the picture? He said he does not remember the

 

rehearsal for the skit in the same way that she does. So how is that acknowledging that that happened? He is acknowledging the photo...but not that he groped her.

You act like something like this is beyond consideration for the RW hit machine to enact. YEAH OK.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 02:47 PM

34. I agree.

We’re supposed to be better than the Republicans.

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