They are really good at this. They know how to hammer away because WE

[Ninga]

are the champions of all that is good and fair. They make us blink and doubt and eat our own and then watch with glee as we slay our own on the alter of righteousness.

I have so much self doubt about the 30 year hammering and outright lies HRC was subjected to, that I didn't do enough.

Voting for her wasn't enough to erase 30 years of injustice.

So, how do we,push back, make noise, and call into question he "outing" of Franken?

It either matters or not that Roger Stone foreshadowed yesterday's events in the middle of the night. Are they so bold, and think so little of our resolve that they can trot out any old kinards and we will bite at their bait?

I believe we miserably failed HRC by not exposing the witch hunt. Remember how the 2000 photo of the supposed "good people of Florida" storming the board of elections was exposed as being GOP operatives. It was STAGED!

Yes, Franken mugging for the photo was juvenile- what if he were giving her the middle instead of mock groping...?

[C_U_L8R]

1. They gave themselves the perfect moniker...

ratfuckers.

[Ninga]

2. Yep, and they know how to play "our diversity and individuality" against us.

In some ways...we are suckers. We don't want to acknowledge that there is a time and place for power of "push back"

[brewens]

3. I had this comment on the 15th anticipating some SOP from them.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9847177

I wouldn't be surprised to see "O'Queef" right in the middle of it. Of course they want us all to be defending Al and point to that as a double standard. I think we let Al do that and see what else shakes out. Hannity saying he had that right during Al's senate campaign and it not getting out? Tell me that doesn't stink! Makes me think that pic may have been in a totally different context than what the woman claims now that I know that.

[Ninga]

4. Perhaps the best way to support Al is by being very vocal for a hearing.

I'm afraid that a rush to judgement willl result all context o be tossed to the wind.

[Denis 11]

5. Ninga , you hit it out of the park!

They are expert in twisting the facts to advance their narrative. Their logic gymnastics are very hard to beat.
We need someone in Dem leadership to champion the points in your post.

[Ninga]

7. Perhaps Rachel would consider revisiting how the GOP operatives help steal the 2000

election, while Al Gore, remaind steadfastly patriotic...

Enough already!

[marybourg]

6. Hammering away is only effective

if someone is listening. Based on what I read here and what I hear in the real world, we are among the most avid listeners.
Edited to add: . . . and repeaters.

[Ninga]

9. I would like to reframe your thought and move it from listening to a recognition of the dynamics

Of how this surfaced and how it will be treated by the perpetrators.

Franken has already lost support - his name is being removed from a bill.

[marybourg]

10. You also moved it from the

general, which is what I was intending to comment on, to the specific, which I was not.

[Ninga]

12. Ok!

[saidsimplesimon]

21. Ah. Mary

do not despair. Some think we all are "singing with the choir", when we never know who else is listening.

[treestar]

8. True because we are not talking about Moore or the Pussy Grabber

any more. And we are not talking about the duller stuff like taxes, health care, etc. Right wingers know that sex sells, and they can distract us with it. They always bring it down into the gutter.

We learned we were wrong that the Orange Idiot could not be elected because he was so vulgar. If he can stay in office, Franken can. If they bring Roy Moore to the Senate, Franken can stay there. They don't get to have it both ways. We have to fight them rather than all this introspection.

[Ninga]

11. The best thing Franken has going is to get his hearing on the docket, quickly.

This reduces his situation to one-line mention when confronted by GOP whataboutism.

A hearing pushes this to the back page, putting it into a wait and see status.

None of this keeps us from being vocal and dogged about Moore, Trump, etc

[SunSeeker]

13. We got played. Well.

So disappointing to see the circular firing squad spring up so quickly.

[Ninga]

14. Yes of course. Ecause we must be seen as being the good side! Nytimes editorial,

Sen Kristen Gillibrand, and others, pilling on using major media is a clear example of how we are being played.

[BannonsLiver]

15. We can start by pushing back against our own who are carrying water for the RWers.

[oberliner]

18. Or we can start by applying the same consistent standard of behavior to everyone

Including our own.

[oberliner]

16. Mugging for the photo?

He is accused of forcibly kissing a woman without he consent.

[Ninga]

17. Roger Stone having before hand knowledge IS THE STORY, Franken's juvenile behavior may

be the vehicle that exposes desperate, dirty tricks.

[oberliner]

19. No, it's not

Obviously the RW is taking advantage of this, but there is nothing really unusual about that.

[Ninga]

20. Ok, help me out here. How is Stone's 1am tweet using Franken's name, before the story

was put out, only standard issue GOP pilling on?

Stone knew. Who else knew? I think it is meaningful. Context matters.

[oberliner]

24. Probably she told people she knew before going public

I don't think that is so unusual.

[PatSeg]

22. It was an excellent distraction,

something republicans excel at and as a bonus, it has Democrats fighting among themselves. Republicans know how to push buttons, create uncertainty, and divide their opponents. Democrats keep falling for the same old crap.

We'd better get it together, because there certainly are a lot of stupid photos and cases of bad judgement out there and you'd better believe that the Roger Stones in the world will take advantage of them, even create them if necessary. What really concerns me is if they come up with enough of these over hyped scenarios, we could go back to the place where women, who have been sexually assaulted and harassed will stop coming forward.

[Ninga]

23. This. You have said it way more artfully than I did. Thanks! Nt

[PatSeg]

31. Thank you

This is really starting to stink.

[CrispyQ]

26. "women, who have been sexually assaulted and harassed will stop coming forward."

That's what the GOP wants. And a lot of men in power. They truly do not view us as equal. Although I look at the state of the world, run by rich, mostly white men, & wonder how they can still hang on to their delusion that they are superior.

[PatSeg]

30. Yes

I'm afraid that this will be the worst outcome of all this and republicans will have pushed us backwards yet again. I became concerned when every day I read about yet another famous person's alleged sexual misconduct and pretty soon, no one was asking any questions. They just accepted it at face value.

It is hard enough for a woman to come forward and talk about her experiences. If she feels like she is just part of a media circus, she may be inclined to just keep quiet.

Those "rich, mostly white men" have run the world for a long time and it doesn't look like they've done a very good job. Maybe they need to step aside and let someone else take over.

[Botany]

25. It was a hit job timed to give cover for their 1.5 trillion $ give away to the top 1%

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Roger Stone Tweeting about Al Franken's time is coming the night before and
Ms. Tweeden's ties to Fox and the right wing should have been sure signs that
the fixes was in.

[Ninga]

28. I agree! It represents the "rest of the story" and needs to be exposed! Nt

[Trust Buster]

27. Franken was the Senator that asked the question that led to Sessions perjuring himself.

Don the Con and Sessions have had the knives out for him ever since. The Roger Stone tweet tells us that this was an orchestrated hit job. At least the Governor in Minnesota is a Democrat and can replace Franken with a Democrat.

[Honeycombe8]

29. Well said! nt