On the Event of his death some facts about 'Charles Manson' you may not know

[rpannier]

Now I know why this guy was so f&cked up.

1. His birth name was NoName Maddox. That is actually the name his mother gave him. His birth certificate reads 'No Name Maddox'
His name Manson comes from a man his mother lived with for a while.
2. His mother, Kathleen Maddox, was a teenage prostitute and his father was a transient
3. Shortly after he was born, his mother traded him for a pitcher a beer. The waitress thought she was joking. His mother left him behind when she left. So, the waitress took him home with her. His uncle came and took him home -- should have left him with the waitress who took him home and actually did want him
4. In 1939 his mother was arrested for robbery and in 42 she was released on parole. She shuttled him from cheap hotel room to cheap hotel room, a few times trying to sell him
5. Manson didn't get anything for Christmas, so he burned other kids toys.
6. At age 13 he went on an armed robbery spree
7. He was sexually assaulted at Indiana Boy's School
8. He was arrested on his way to New Mexico with two females in his car for violating the Mann Act
9. When scheduled for release from prison in 1967, he requested to stay in jail. (too bad they didn't keep him there)
10. The psychiatrist who examined Manson while he was still a teen found him 'disturbed' and 'potentially dangerous'. He also found him to be extremely charismatic. (How prophetic of the doctor)
11. While living in Haight-Ashbury he set himself up as a guru and preached his philosophy of Scientology
12. The house where the Tate Murders occurred was chosen to frighten Terry Melcher. Melcher had lived there before Polanski-Tate. He had some interest in producing a documentary about Manson, but changed his mind. Manson, angry, tried to get in touch with Melcher, but could not. So, he had the occupants at the house killed to frighten Melcher.

In case you're wondering, the last thing I found about his mother was, she and his uncle Luther, tried robbing a guy using a ketchup bottle, pretending it was a gun. The victim could tell it wasn't a gun, so they beat the guy in the head with the bottle. Because... what a family.

Good riddance Charlie. You may have had a bad childhood, but that doesn't make up for the people you had murdered, the impressionable teens you drugged and manipulated, the fear you created and the lives you ruined

[msongs]

1. he wanted melcher and the beach boys to record him and his songs and make him a pop star

but he was spurned. he had dennis wilson under his spell by providing lots of naked young women and drugs/

[rpannier]

2. That is true to a point

According to Mark Lindsay, Melcher's roommate,
"Everybody speculated that Manson sent his minions up there to get rid of Terry because he was angry about not getting a record deal. But Terry and I talked about it later and Terry said Manson knew (Melcher had moved) because Manson or someone from his organization left a note on Terry's porch in Malibu."

and about the documentary (per Lindsay)

Melcher had already declined to sign Manson and had told him so. The documentary idea ended when Melcher witnessed Manson in a fight with a drunken stunt man

[Skittles]

3. there was never any question his upbringing was dreadful

but he had gifts of perception and persuasion he squandered on horrific, evil acts

[rpannier]

4. Some rise above it all

Some sink in the muck and take others with them
Manson was the latter

[Raine]

5. THANKS ... interesting

lots of people have it just as bad or worse and still turn out be decent human beings. No excusing him but maybe if there'd been one kind loving person in his life it might've been all different.

[BigmanPigman]

6. Everyone has choices.

He was set up for failure. I am pro abortion and this is one of the reasons. Unwanted children suffer needlessly. I would feel terribly for him and could understand that his background made him what he was. However many have endured worse and did not choose to do what he did.

He also was a serious racist. His whole "Helter Skelter" philosophy was based on racism. When he heard the Beatles song Helter Skelter he thought is was a message from The Beatles warning of a black uprising to usurp the white people( it is a song about going down a sliding board). He wanted to be the catalyst for this race war and thought that the murders would be blamed on the blacks therefore bringing a needed race war to put the blacks down once and for all.

[shanny]

8. Dang that autocorrect: Helter Skelter

[BigmanPigman]

18. AAAHHH!!! I know!

Samsung "updated" my tablet and now the spell check is just as bad as before, just in a different way.

[underpants]

7. If I remember correctly his "mother" took him with her to her "work"

I think brother told me he was in solitary confinement for most of his teen years.

[monmouth4]

9. Was this fellow Melcher, Doris Day's son?..n/t

[Tom_Foolery]

10. Yes

[Dave Starsky]

11. And Mark Lindsay of Paul Revere and the Raiders.

It was an even smaller world back then.

[cwydro]

12. Where did this come from?

“A pitcher a beer”

Who writes like that?

[Vinca]

13. 14. Was under consideration by Trump as a running mate.

[RobinA]

14. Thanks For Adding This

to the discussion. All this talk of him being "evil," He was a fairly predictable product of his early environment. Do some people have similar environments and not become responsible for the killing of a bunch of people? Yes, and irrelevant. The effects of environment on people varies by individual based on their make-up. Still, you aren't going to get many solid citizens from a mess like his childhood. Most people brought up like him from a similar genetic background end up in a bad way and tend to be the people filling prisons for the long haul. Not an excuse, a reason.

[LisaL]

15. Yes, with a teenage prostitute for a mother, it's hard to turn out well.

[H2O Man]

17. Neil on Charlie