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Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:30 PM

Prepare for the deluge.

Reports of sexual harassment and abuse perpetrated by prominent people are about to increase dramatically. We're about to experience some serious, long-needed housecleaning.

It's going to affect big names in many sectors of society, government, entertainment, media and more.

I expect many disappointing surprises.

Be ready for many people to have their real natures exposed.

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Reply Prepare for the deluge. (Original post)
MineralMan Nov 2017 OP
OilemFirchen Nov 2017 #1
MineralMan Nov 2017 #5
LenaBaby61 Nov 2017 #45
pnwmom Nov 2017 #56
Beakybird Nov 2017 #2
RKP5637 Nov 2017 #9
nini Nov 2017 #10
MineralMan Nov 2017 #11
Sneederbunk Nov 2017 #13
Martin Eden Nov 2017 #29
OnDoutside Nov 2017 #58
BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #3
MineralMan Nov 2017 #12
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #30
bdamomma Nov 2017 #33
BigmanPigman Nov 2017 #38
bdamomma Nov 2017 #59
brettdale Nov 2017 #4
MineralMan Nov 2017 #6
msongs Nov 2017 #7
MineralMan Nov 2017 #8
dhill926 Nov 2017 #18
Honeycombe8 Nov 2017 #32
Snackshack Nov 2017 #53
octoberlib Nov 2017 #14
riverwalker Nov 2017 #24
octoberlib Nov 2017 #25
riverwalker Nov 2017 #34
The_Casual_Observer Nov 2017 #54
Heartstrings Nov 2017 #15
question everything Nov 2017 #16
renegade000 Nov 2017 #17
KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #21
renegade000 Nov 2017 #22
KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2017 #19
Xipe Totec Nov 2017 #20
riverwalker Nov 2017 #23
oberliner Nov 2017 #26
Leith Nov 2017 #35
oberliner Nov 2017 #36
Leith Nov 2017 #41
tapermaker Nov 2017 #27
bronxiteforever Nov 2017 #28
Leith Nov 2017 #31
Skittles Nov 2017 #37
McCamy Taylor Nov 2017 #39
Lifelong Protester Nov 2017 #46
moosewhisperer Nov 2017 #40
still_one Nov 2017 #42
mountain grammy Nov 2017 #43
lancelyons Nov 2017 #44
Lifelong Protester Nov 2017 #47
FailureToCommunicate Nov 2017 #50
kimbutgar Nov 2017 #48
Atman Nov 2017 #49
lutherj Nov 2017 #51
MineralMan Nov 2017 #60
nadine_mn Nov 2017 #52
LeftInTX Nov 2017 #55
Swedish Alicia Nov 2017 #57

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:33 PM

1. And keep in mind that opportunism abounds in a fevered climate.

Not every accusation will be true.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:35 PM

5. Yes, of course.

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:53 PM

45. Not every accusation will be true.

+ 1,000

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Response to LenaBaby61 (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 03:29 AM

56. Right. And the false accusations will make it that much harder for people who

really have been subject to sexual harassment, in addition to hurting those falsely accused.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:34 PM

2. My proctologist stuck his finger up my butt!

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:38 PM

9. Fake news without a picture!

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:42 PM

10. Is this supposed to be funny?

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:43 PM

11. Are you 12?

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:45 PM

13. You should have googled proctologist definition in advance.

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Response to Beakybird (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:24 PM

29. My proctologist is also my optometrist.

He claims he can cure my shitty outlook on life.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 04:20 AM

58. Boom boom

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:35 PM

3. Oh I have been ever since Al was mentioned.

I expect to hear more non stop. We must not allow ourselves to become distracted and spread BS like the National Enquirer. Focus on our DU priorities like RESISTING the Tax Bill, Russia, healthcare, the 2018 midterms, etc.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:44 PM

12. Yes. We must do that!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:26 PM

30. +1. nt

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:34 PM

33. Aren't those filthy repigs

have some healthcare issues (more repeals) rolled up in that tax reform scam.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:45 PM

38. Yeah, the individual mandate.

That is why this is a two-in-one bill. The Moron was able to increase everyone's health insur prices by signing the exec order. He can't do that with the tax scam and that is why we have to hurry up and get our Resisting shoes on and get in full gear now! Here is a link for ways you can do something to delay the vote (that is the goal of MoveOn, Indivisible, Bernie, etc.) and get the word out. We were able to stop the ACA repeal but the fake prez signed that fucking exec order.
https://www.trumptaxscam.org/

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #38)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:43 AM

59. thanks bigman

already went that site and signed

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:35 PM

4. Is this something you know?

Or are you guessing because everyday someone name seems to be leaked with
sexual harassment.

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Response to brettdale (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:37 PM

6. I'm predicting.

Watch and see.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:37 PM

7. in the USA people are innocent til proven guilty and people have the right to face their accusers n

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Response to msongs (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:38 PM

8. Only in a court of law.

In the court of public opinion, no such rule exists.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:04 PM

18. sadly true....

and there will be a shit ton of distractions from the repubs, because that's what they do. Meanwhile Rome burns....

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:26 PM

32. +1. nt

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 01:10 AM

53. Yep.

That is what makes this so devastating and effective. Person X can make this type of accusation against person Y without any proof and in the court of public opinion that is all it takes. A person is guilty until they prove they are innocent which can take years and by then the damage has already been long done. It is the modern worlds version of a “scarlet letter”.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:49 PM

14. The pizzagate crew is cooking something else up. They're targeting a "ranking Democrat

on a major committee"








Don't know if this is all bs or not but they're really pissed about the allegations against Moore and that all the news channels aren't leading with the new Franken accuser and that he hasn't resigned yet. Be prepared.

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Response to riverwalker (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:07 PM

25. Yep. I just posted the article. Their source was the pizzagate guy but they Have documents.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:35 PM

34. Hes 88 years old. Didnt realize that old

Article says in 2006 staff complained of having to babysit his children. So age 77 he had small children ? Yikes

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:50 AM

54. The shithead placed it on buzzfeed so that

It might have more credibility than coming from him. When this shit starts to attract that asshole forget the truth.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:51 PM

15. Oh, definitely!

This is just the 1st string.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 09:52 PM

16. And it appears that it touches people on the left. Or, at least, not the far right

except for Trump and Moore, of course.

I hope that I am mistaken.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:03 PM

17. Yes, and prepare for the media to muddy what should be the long-needed reckoning...

by missing the point and turning this into some sort of grotesque horserace/scorekeeping phenomenon.

What we're not going to get is a thoughtful reflection on the abuse of power and privilege by males in society, but rather a feeding frenzy of allegations that ignores any nuance regarding circumstances and relative severity of offense.

"Well John X, you have harsh words for John Y, whose been accused by several women of physically harassing them when they were in high school, but we've just received photographic evidence that you were in a burlesque performance 15 years ago in which you grabbed another performer's butt... so you really have no moral authority! As always, all sides are equally bad!"

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Response to renegade000 (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:23 PM

21. One big issue to me though...

is that it interferes with the process of justice, just like Trump's improper tweets after a major crime. It is, however, very unfortunate that many of the incidents that have come to light are beyond the statutes of limitation for prosecution.

Additionally, I do believe many of us males (at least on the left) are having a lot of thoughtful reflections and trying to pass some of the things we've learned to our friends and kids.


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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:31 PM

22. Absolutely, at least the topic has been brought to the forefront

Perhaps I'm getting a little too concerned about how the media treats it and should have more optimism that people will discuss it with appropriate depth amongst themselves.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:10 PM

19. Some of this may be orchestrated.

Just occurred to me that with Repugs having all that voter database info, if they want to dredge up stuff on a Democrat, all they have to do is research people that knew him/her from their younger years, look up their political affiliation and start calling any Repugs on the list. Almost anyone has a little hell raising in their past, so it wouldn't take long to dig up dirt and gossip.

.............

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 10:16 PM

20. Winter is coming. Many will die of exposure. nt

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:08 PM

26. Long overdue

 

Thankful that women are finally being heard.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:35 PM

35. Right!

The only reason that they are flinging mud and shit is to distract the less intelligent so that they will vote to raise taxes on the poor, then they will take away health care, abortion & birth control rights, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, public schools & libraries, the right to sue, clean air & water, voting rights, and on and on ad nauseum.

I hope you're happy. All we get out of it is more salacious stories on the news. This certainly isn't going to get anybody elected who will do a better job at protecting ALL rights, including the only one near and dear to single-issue voters.

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Response to Leith (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:38 PM

36. Powerful men should no longer be able to sexually harass women with impunity

 

Any movement towards permanently changing that culture is a positive step.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:48 PM

41. It Won't Stop by Smearing ONLY Democrats

Get rid of every Democrat who ever harassed and elect every rethug is not a good way of going about it. That's exactly what they are trying to do.

I've been harassed until I cried myself to sleep for weeks at a time. It left deep scars on my psyche. Luckily, I'm old enough and bold enough to not put up with that shit any more. I certainly do not want it to happen to anyone else. But what the rethugs are doing is a vicious dirty trick designed to split us apart and to keep government in their hands.

Congratulations for falling for it yet again!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:09 PM

27. or ,Like jeremy previn

 

famous people accused of sex harass will take polygraphs that suggest the women are vindictive for their own reasons .

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:12 PM

28. Then this will be the defining issue of 2018 congressional races

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:26 PM

31. Yup - It Has Started Already

The rethugs are going to keep throwing mud at one person after another, each more venerated than the last. Their endgame? Well, smearing is what they do best.

And they want to distract the media from the accusations against Roy Moore and shitgibbon himself.

If anyone mentions any of this to me irl, my response will be what I said above and that none of it reaches the sleaze level that their golden boys have done their entire lives.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:44 PM

37. let the chips fall where they may

and I hope this causes the perverts among us to think twice before practicing their sickness

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:46 PM

39. This is Russia again, directing the news away from Trump and towards SEX.

Do not be fooled. Do not be distracted. Eyes on the prize.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:57 PM

46. I'm with you!!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:47 PM

40. Ummmm...

...no surprise to women. Welcome to what we've been dealing with literally for-effing-ever. GMAFB

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:51 PM

42. Probably, but by the same token we should not BLINDLY accept every accuser a being factual

Unless you have been living in a cave, people with political motives LIE.

Forgetting for a moment about the latest allegations of latest Al Franken accuser, let me ask another question instead.

What kind of person indicates they voted for Amy Klobuchar, and "maybe" Al Franken, but also voted for Donald Trump? What kind of LOGIC is that? Klobuchar and Franken have opposite views on EVERYTHING that Trump pushed during his campaign.

It doesn't mean the allegations are false, but it DOESN'T mean they are true either.

It is very hard for me to even conceive of Al Franken at a public fair, taking a photo-OP with someone, where crowds are all over the place, and grabbing her butt cheek in front of her husband.  What the hell for?  I cannot believe he is trying to "get off" on a 2 minute encounter like that, and while I might understand her not calling Franken out, when she tells her husband what Franken did, I sure as hell do NOT understand why her husband wouldn't.

Is the story true?  Maybe.  Is it valid to say that someone who voted for Trump might also lie?  More than maybe.  Turn on Fox News.  Look at the activities of James O'Keefe, Dinish D’Souza, Ashley Todd:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/mccain-supporter-who-clai_n_137484.html

James O'Keefe is responsible for destroying ACORN, an organization that works with the most vulnerable in our society. What kind of people do that? What kind of people want to take away people's health care, destroy the environment, and fight against every program that attempts to help the most needy and vulnerable in our society?

I am sorry, but I am going to be skeptical on this one, and not take the person's story at face value, because frankly, I believe that a lot people who voted for Trump are not right in the head, and they DO LIE. She has made a serious charge against Al Franken to discredit him, and the fact that she voted for Trump, it is NOT unreasonable to be skeptical.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:53 PM

43. John Fuglesang says..

America is like an old couch and trump is the black light.

I want to see sunshine on the payouts from the congressional "keep it quiet fund." Let it out, congress. After all, we have a sexual deviate in the White House. Nothing should hidden from public view any longer.

The fuckers never did appreciate an honest and decent man who occupied our White House from 2009 to 2017. America doesn't deserve decency.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:53 PM

44. It's not just prominent people it's everywhere in scociety.

 

There are stories everywhere of men being aggressive to women and women being agressive to men. In all neighborhoods and walks of life. It's right here.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Nov 20, 2017, 11:59 PM

47. It is beginning to be

like Arthur Miller's "the Crucible".

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Response to Lifelong Protester (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:32 AM

50. Well...except for the part where those accusations where groundless.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:15 AM

48. I hate to say this

But it’s kind of the new McCarthyism. Even if someone is innocent they can be accused by some political operative and that will smear them going forward forever whether they are guilty or not.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:17 AM

49. The Great Distraction

Lots of negative stuff coming out of Washington. The easiest way to distract Americans is with sex scandals.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:41 AM

51. Unfortunately I agree with you, Mineral Man (BTW, are you a rock hound or a superhero?).

I frequently felt that the reason the Democrats didn’t push back harder against the G.W. Bush administration is that they knew people in glass houses had best not throw rocks. A purging is what we need, although the timing is bad, to say the least. However, let’s be careful of purity. While it may take a Galahad to receive the grail, it only takes Al Franken to slay Jeff Sessions.

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Response to lutherj (Reply #51)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 11:47 AM

60. I used to have a business selling mineral specimens to collectors.

Hence the screen name, which I have used for many years on political discussion forums.

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 12:43 AM

52. For me the problem is going to be having all types of harassment lumped

Together as equally bad...with no context, no degrees...just black and white bullshit and purity tests.

From my own experience I can say that what happened to me as a child was more devastating than what happened to me as an adult. I can say that being flashed by a stranger on the street during a school trip was not nearly as devasting as having my favorite teacher refer to me as his girlfriend (he was married and old enough to be my dad) while hugging me too intimately. I can say that some of the off-color jokes and sometimes too touchy interactions with a male co-worker, while making me feel uneasy..did not rise to the same level of ickyness when that same behavior came from my male boss.

This is just the easy stuff to talk about. There were much worse things that have happened. There is no way I would lump all these together and give them the same weight. And in some instances the actual behavior may have been worse but the intent or power balance didn't give it the same impact. In some cases..as with a friend or co-worker, I felt comfortable saying "ok that's too far" and felt that I was heard and respected. Whereas with teachers, professors, adult family friends or relatives, because of my age or relationship to them, I didn't feel like I could say anything.

This is my experience only but this is why I am so angry and disgusted by some here who are so quick to write off anyone for any inappropriate behavior regardless of circumstance.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 02:59 AM

55. Remember #MeToo?

Maybe there should be a #HeToo

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Nov 21, 2017, 04:14 AM

57. Most will not speak.

 

For every woman who speaks about sexual misconduct many more will remain silent. This problem is worse than you can see.

Hopefully this "deluge" will encourage the next generation of men to have more respect for women.

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