MY safety from GUNS is MORE IMPORTANT than YOUR gun hobby

[DontTreadOnMe]

Time to put the gun nuts in their place.

[derby378]

1. Cutesiness won't help you here

1. Amendment II.
2. DC v Heller.
3. McDonald v City of Chicago.

Time to put the gun-control activists in their place.

It's not a hobby. It's a right.

[DontTreadOnMe]

4. Your "Right" can be repealed..see Rules of Amendments

There are moving forward today with more gun control in NJ...

NJ, the state where people buy food at supermarkets. We don't hunt for food... mainly because beef tastes better than possum.

[derby378]

5. Sorry, but it's like Rachel Maddow said...

Rights cannot be taken away. That's why they're called "rights." NJ will figure it out sooner or later.

[Zanzoobar]

7. It's simple.

Rights can only be abridged. Not given or taken away.

[starroute]

10. We hold these truths to be self-evident...

... that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ...


I think if you look closely at the Bill of Rights, you'll find that some of the things enumerated there have to do with the rights and freedoms of the individual and others have to do with maintaining the integrity of the nation.

The text of the Second Amendment -- which states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" -- is pretty obviously the second kind. Once the first part ceases to be true -- and it has, long since -- the second part becomes inoperative.

It's much like the clause giving the government the right to issue copyrights and patents as a way to promote the arts and sciences. That doesn't mean that Walt Disney Co. has an innate right to hold onto Mickey Mouse forever. It says the government can grant a limited monopoly as long as it promotes the expansion of knowledge and culture in general.

In that way, gun "rights" are like copyright. They're a limited license the government can grant when it helps insure its own freedom from foreign tyranny. Period.

[derby378]

29. An interesting argument

I would counter with a very improbable scenario - total government collapse.

If the Second Amendment were to function like a copyright, what happens if some foreign government nuked DC? What if all attempts at continuity of government failed? That means I no longer need an NFA tax stamp to own and carry an MP5 subgun. Unfortunately, it's just me and my gun up against the "zombies," whomever they might be.

On the other hand, if you're one of those people trying to rebuild the US government from the ashes, and you approach me out in the wilderness and tell me America is coming back, but I need to obey the law and hand over the MP5, don't blame me if I say "I need to know that I can trust you." No democratic government worth its salt can function without trust and good faith.

[white_wolf]

20. Rachel is wrong...

Rights are the creation of society. They don't simply exist. They had to come from somewhere.

[ramikin]

26. Rights do simply exist.

The bill of rights was ENUMERATED IN the constitution NOT GRANTED BY the constitution. All people not just Americans are born with those rights, it just so happens that some other countries do not allow those inherent rights to be exercised. Leading our founders to leave the bonds of Britain.

[NutmegYankee]

8. Sure, you can get right on that...

After we repeal the first amendment and shut you up. After that, we can repeal the writ of Habeas Corpus by amendment and toss you into jail. Then we can repeal the corruption of blood prohibition and jail your family too.
And hell, that eighth amendment thing against cruel and unusual punishment - let's ditch that as well.

We could repeal of lot of things under TYRANNY. Your idea is what I would call Epic Stupidity. Rights are rights.

[loli phabay]

15. maybe but possum is cheaper, and free venison tastes better than bought beef by miles

[Scootaloo]

23. Actually... it doesn't

I'll grant you've probably never had possum, but... yeah. it's actually really good, and better than most beef I've put in my mouth.

Just sayin'.

[gtar100]

17. Unfortunately, a bad reading of the 2nd Amendment

Note the words "well-regulated" militia. What we have now is a "non-regulated" militia - free-for-all on guns. And the consequences of it can be seen in the statistics on gun violence compared to all other countries. Actually, the consequences are clear in the hearts of everyone who has to attend funerals because of senseless, stupid use of guns.

"The right to bear arms" has been abused in this country. If only there were as much passion for the phrases "insure domestic tranquility" and "promote the general welfare" as there is about the 2nd Amendment.

[derby378]

30. That's not true...

Fact: Nobody can buy a gun from a dealer, a sporting goods store, or a pawn shop without a Form 4473 and a background check. Some states even institute waiting periods.

Fact: There are plenty of areas and establishments where civilian guns are verboten. If I show up at the airport with a pistol, it had better be unloaded and securely stored in my checked luggage, and the TSA is going to want full disclosure if I don't want to risk jail time.

Fact: Ever try to buy a full-automatic weapon in America since 1934? The process is a bit complicated.

Not exactly a "non-regulated militia," are we?

[tritsofme]

2. If this isn't a sarcastic post, your username would make it very ironic. nt

[Posteritatis]

18. Seriously. (nt)

[OffWithTheirHeads]

3. to you. Not to me.

[The Magistrate]

6. Here Is The Jury Result, Sir

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[flamingdem]

9. The "gun nuts" are losing tonight on DU

I do understand that there are responsible gun owners.

[bluedigger]

13. I think most 2A supporters here abandoned that fight long ago.

It's used with such reckless abandon as to have become laughably meaningless. We like 1A, too. I would have voted to leave the OP, too. It's bringing in business.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Like I said.

Some of us are sane.

[cheriemedium59]

11. Former Army nurse

I am a former nurse in the Army. Assault weapons should only be legal in one place ,the military and only to be used as the 'last resort', PERIOD! NO ROOM FOR DEBATE! This madness has to stop!

[PavePusher]

14. An assault weapon is a weapon that has been used to assault someone.

None of my rifles have done so (well, maybe some of the antique military ones, in the distant past) and thus none are "assault weapons".

[Thinkingabout]

31. Where did you get your definition of an assault weapon?

You need to try this again, the nurse is right, we do not need these weapons available to the civilians.

[PavePusher]

32. Where did you get yours?

Is there any legal definition of the term "assault weapon"?

Are there any specific defining features, as applied by the relevent Federal agencies?

Cites, please?

[Peepsite]

12. Which is why

I can be imprisoned,if I actually do use my "hobby" to threaten your safety.


Paranoia I can't actually help you with.

[Dark]

19. If gun ownership = violence, then why is Switzerland so peaceful?

They're no. 4 in guns per capita: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Hell, Saudi Arabia, which has a lot of problems (but gun violence isn't one of them) is no. 6, two spots above FINLAND.

Canada is no. 13.

Guns aren't the problem. It's something deeper in our society. As long as we treat guns as the issue, these things will keep happening. (Unfortunately, people WILL find other ways to mass murder. Guns are just one way).

on edit: SA is no. 6, Canada no. 13, Finland no. 8. Sorry, typed too fast for my own good.

[Egalitarian Thug]

21. +1

[HiPointDem]

22. +1.

[pschoeb]

27. But that is because the Swiss have a citizens Army

Your required to serve in the military, usually 10 years in reserve, and the guns many posses are actually issued and controlled by the military, they can keep the guns after reserve but they remove the fully automatic ability, so really gun ownership is high because of this.

There are very harsh measure for improper use of service weapons.

Switzerland doesn't have much gun crime, but they do have mass killings, like the 2001 attack on a Zug parliament, that killed 14 and injured 18.

[Thinkingabout]

24. Though mny Congress members can not stand up to NRA, it is time.

We should have a right to the liberty to live our lives to the fullest and not be short changed by someone who chooses different. If this takes making assault weapons illegal then this is a step intelligent people should take. NRA should be leading the way and not blocking.

[slackmaster]

25. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools

Every person who finishes high school should know the rules of safe gun handling, and be able to safely unload the most common types of firearms.

[sav99]

28. The Bigger Question is

Why are so many Americans willing to commit murder? Compared to other countries. Are citizens of other nations just as murderous? But because of gun control and being too lazy to use another method which might require more effort, they simply never act upon their desire and willingness to murder someone?

It seems that the problem may be murders themselves, and not the most convenient tool for the job. Just a thought.