What WILL It Take To Get Sensible Gun Laws Considering All The Carnage?

[TheMastersNemesis]

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There seems to be absolutely NO level of violence that will get the Us sensible gun control. When Reagan got shot we ended up with a assault weapons ban even though a hand gun was used. Yet that ban was only temporary. Now we are inundated with guns of every shape and variety that grow more lethal by he day.

And it is so obvious that assault weapons make mass murder on recent scale possible. Perhaps there is NO limit. The fact that Sandy Hook WAS NOT HORRIBLE ENOUGH. It was the worst of the worst on any scale because the victims were truly defenseless toddlers.

As horrible as all the mass shootings have been since, Sandy Hook should have been the absolute end. Yet it was not. Why? And the fact that parents of the victims have beens o viciously attacked and threatened says so much about our country and culture of extreme violence. As terrible as it is to lose a loved one to such attacks, losing a child has to be the worst of the worst.

Now e have a pedophile who is being defended. When you are crass about protecting your own children we have a very serious mental illness in this country.

Defending the indefensible as a now normal is the DEATH of a nation morally, spiritually and culturally. And as much as we condemn the terrorist aTTAck in Egypt we are beginning to look like them. Are we really any better.?

[hlthe2b]

1. I desperately wish I knew...

[MyOwnPeace]

2. If Sandy Hook...........

wasn't enough, I truly don't know what it will take.................

[nycbos]

4. Took the words right out for my mouth.

There we had dead elementary school children.


If that wasn't enough why would a shooting at (just to name a few) churches, a move theater, a night club, members of congress make a difference.

[Marengo]

3. Reagan was shot in 1981, and the AWB was signed into law in 1994. Reagan supported the AWB,...

But was it a direct result of the assasination attempt?

[Beartracks]

5. The Constitution provides the right to bear arms, but does NOT guarantee...

... that such must be hassle-free. Background checks, ammo limitations, banning of certain weapons or parts, trigger locks, conceal-carry laws... maybe even gun insurance!... None of these things infringe on your actual right to bear an arm.

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[EL34x4]

6. What sensible gun laws are you looking for to stop the carnage?

As far as I can tell, the only "sensible" gun laws to stop gun violence in this country would be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment followed by a federal ban on all firearms, a mandatory turn-in, and a house-to-house search conducted by armed law enforcement agents for all firearms not turned in. Add to this, mandatory life in prison for anyone found in possession of a firearm after the turn-in period.

Until this happens, everything else is just a "feel good" measure that will do nothing to curb gun violence.

Do you think any of the above is going to happen?

Oh, and thanks to computers it's now fairly easy to make an fully-functional AR-15 in your garage so that cat's out of the bag as well.

[Irish_Dem]

7. Yes we need to kill the second amendment before it kills us. nt

[HAB911]

9. Whatever it takes

We need to stop all the "feel good" stuff like "thoughts and prayers" and empathy for the victims and families. Start telling them this is the price for living here and if you don't like it leave. This is figuratively what we tell them now, we just need to literally state that.

[Hoyt]

18. We need gunners like you to become truly responsible and support what is best for society, not

gunners.

Gunners need to quit indoctrinating their kids into the gun culture, quit buying more and more guns, quit selling to people without background checks, quit supporting public carrying, quit opposing efforts to stop gun violence, and a lot more.

This is the kind of junk gunners -- and that includes those right here -- tell us:

Lie #1: There is no connection between mass gun ownership and gun deaths.

Lie #4: The Second Amendment blocks gun regulation.

Lie #5: The solution to gun violence is more gun ownership.

Lie #6: Chicago has tight gun restrictions and mass gun violence. Ergo, gun laws don’t work.

Lie #7: We should enforce existing gun laws before imposing new ones.

Lie #8: We need guns to protect ourselves from the government.

Lie #9: No legislation can curb gun deaths in the US.

Lie #10: Americans oppose tighter gun regulation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/2017/10/06/ten-lies-distort-the-gun-control-debate/#333eb9211fad


Then, there is this kind of junk:

-Guns make us polite.
-What about the hunters? First, nothing wrong with a few guns for the 6% of the population that actually hunt.
-But I can't defend myself without a gun or two strapped to my body at Chuck E Cheese or church.
-Democrats can't win opposing proliferation of guns in our society
-I'm not training to kill people when I spend all day at a course on urban warfare.
-I'm not an NRA member, yet gunners support their agenda and candidates.
-I'm too old to defend myself. Yeah, then you are likely too old to carry guns.
-Everybody does it.
-Cheers from gun forums when gun sales increase.
-The 2nd Amendment is a civil right.
-Opposition to guns is opposition to the Bill of Rights, and similar Constitutional crud.
-And a bunch more laughable BS to obscure the real reason people are attracted to guns.


It's time to put this kind of crap to an end, before we are dealing with these losers in a natural disaster or something:





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I know this -- Every decade we do nothing puts another 100 million guns on our streets that we will have to deal with when we finally bite the bullet like Australia did in 1996.

[Irish_Dem]

8. We may have to accept that we live in a violent society, where we are not safe to go

about our daily business.

And our leadership cannot or will not act on our behalf.

[2naSalit]

12. +1

[Drahthaardogs]

10. Nothing. Plus every time we try, we lose.

Maybe try to close loopholes on background checks, complain the checks are not being conducted, demand existing laws are enforced.

[DFW]

11. What will it take?

I don't know the answer to that.

I know what would NOT be enough: the executive director of the NRA, their whole board, the CEO of the Remington Arms company and its whole board and their families, the entire roster of Republicans in Congress, their families and friends' children all being wiped out in separate incidents all across the USA in the space of one week by gunfire from disturbed people using unregistered firearms of all sorts.

And if THAT would not be enough (and we all know it wouldn't), then I swear, I don't what would.

[Irish_Dem]

14. If Americans could stage massive boycotts we might get some attention.

But it is a long shot.

This is a country where the people are treated poorly and leadership cannot
or will not provide our basic needs, including safety.

[DFW]

15. Unfortunately, to our radical right

When Jefferson wrote "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," they interpret it to mean "abolishing abortion rights, early parole, and pursuit of a warm gun."

[Irish_Dem]

17. Yes they see a very different world. One that is backward and dangerous.

I wonder if America will ever evolve into a more advanced society.
Or will it stay backward and sink into third world status.

[hatrack]

13. At least 100 fatalities & 500 wounded in one of three locations:

1. The floor of the New York Stock Exchange
2. The House of Representatives during a joint session of Congress
3. Bohemian Grove

You'd see gun legislation in a heartbeat.

Outside of these locations, forget it.

[DFW]

16. Even there, I'd forget it

There is certainly no shortage of people looking for licenses to trade of the floor of the NYSE, and there is equally no shortage of unqualified radical rightists will to serve as Republican members of the House of Representatives. The current roster of Republicans would quickly be replaced by a new roster sharing the views of the recently deceased (they might agree to a small memorial plaque). The members of the Bohemian Grove are so secretive, that if they were all wiped out tomorrow, we MIGHT find out by the 2020 election campaign.

[dsc]

19. We need a bunch of modern day versions of Emmit Till's mother

She let her son's body be featured in Life Magazine among other places and those pictures sickened the northern white populace. The next time children are killed this way, and make no mistake there will be a next time, photos of those bodies need to be on the front page of every newspaper, videos of those bodies need to lead every news broadcast. Only by rubbing our noses in the mess we are allowing to be made will we put a stop to it.

[Hoyt]

20. Exactly. Moms Demand Action (For Gun Sense in America) is one of the better groups calling for

gun restrictions.


Of course, a small group of ladies met at a restaurant for a planning meeting. In a few minutes, gunners like these appeared in the parking lot to intimidate them:



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/11/moms-demand-action-open-carry-texas-guns-rifles/3497895/


Gunners -- including right here on DU -- whined that the camera angel made the protest look more intimidating than it really was. So here are a few more photos of the armed intimidators:

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[DonViejo]

21. Locking....

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