I'm seriously asking. How long do we stand on the curb while watching the train wreck?

[Ninga]

Wait and see?
Put all our eggs into Mueller's basket?
Call, write, email?
Give the victims of the train wreck a hand up? Our condolences?

Every. Day.

[marylandblue]

1. Vote, donate and volunteer for Democrats in 2018

Taking back Congress will stop the bleeding.

[Ninga]

2. Always have, always will. Have worked on the ground for many campaigns, and donate way

beyond our means.

My concern is focused on the now. Perhaps waiting for the 2018 elections draws a consensus.

I do not feel a collective energy. Everyone has their own favorite topic or hot button of the day...which makes the political atmosphere feel disjointed, scattered, unfocused.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. I hear this group is interesting, depending on where they are, they might be

old school dems, very liberal liberals (like myself) or progressives.


https://www.indivisible.org/


I worry GREATLY about groups like this causing a split in the vote thus allowing the cons to win or retain seats. So it will very much depend on the local people you work with, shouldn't take long to figure out where they are on the whole thing.

Other than that, never stop talking to anyone who will listen. Remember, 90% of the country has no idea who Roy Moore is, for example.

[marylandblue]

30. Good for you, and thanks for all your hard work

Democrats have always had a fractious coalition, with everyone having their own issues. But overall cohesiveness has increased. I used to know a lot of people who cared about the environment but not economics or vice versa. Now most people I know see how the two issues go together, even if one is still more important than the other for them.

I do think there is a backlash growing against Trump. The 2017 elections showed a new enthusiasm among democratic voters and were very encouraging. Predicting anything with Trump is hard, but if history is a guide, he is on track for a hard smackdown in the midterms followed by either impeachment and removal or a landslide loss in 2020.

[RKP5637]

31. As someone was saying someplace, the US is now like a bunch of separate tribes. Getting a

united focused effort/consensus is getting harder and harder.

[ananda]

3. I'm getting tired of article after article, and ..

post after post saying the 45 and/or family members are
being investigated for this or that crime or treason ..

.. and then nothing happens.

Sheesh! Are AG's, prosecutors, and reporters that easy
to intimidate?

[DonViejo]

27. Get over it...

It took two and a half years to get rid of Nixon.

[YessirAtsaFact]

34. Yes, I remember very well

It’s a slow tedious process.

It’s actually a good sign that it didn’t get wrapped up quickly.

It means that Mueller is uncovering new information

[YessirAtsaFact]

33. The process takes time

But the investigation is ongoing.

When Mueller reports to Congress every i has to be dotted, every t crossed. No loopholes.

The worst Mueller could do now would be reporting to Congress prematurely

[dgibby]

39. Best case scenario for me

would be that the Dems take back the House and then Mueller's report comes out; otherwise, I fear nothing will be done if the rethugs are still in charge of everything.

[YessirAtsaFact]

40. Dems need to take house

Or the repugnant goons put the nation ahead of their party...

Guess we need to retake the house

[world wide wally]

4. V-O-T-E !

[CrispyQ]

5. You're not alone.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029894988

[RKP5637]

6. I often wonder too how far the masses will let the country fall before they wake up. DU really

follows all of this, but a good portion of the US IMO does not follow a lot of stuff. This country has never suffered the consequences of a fallen government and/or dictatorial totalitarian environments, so they are often blah IMO to many things. FFS, looks at how many are continuously duped by Fox News. And those that vote in their own worst interests. And those that voted in tRump. I think the US is on a critical path! There is a lot of STUPID in the US!

[CrispyQ]

9. My non-political friends are suffering from outrage fatigue.

They were all fired up after the inauguration. They marched. They wrote postcards. Now, they don't want to talk about it & some of them have made it clear they don't want me to talk about it either. If you follow politics, like most of us do & have for some time, you've been through this. Okay, not this, cuz this is out there like Pluto. But if you were paying attention to the Clinton witch hunt of the 90s, the SCOTUS decision of 2000, the farce of the W presidency, the selling out of the media to push an illegal war, and the mad tea party, then you are at least a little more prepared for the current insanity.

It's wearing thin, though.

[Ninga]

13. Huge fear is that they will not have the resolve to rise up should they be needed. Nt

[RKP5637]

24. Same fear here, they will be complacent. It amazes me how so many in the US are lead

around like sheep. This is a ripe country for a dictatorship or something some day if so many remain so complacent.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. I was just saying 90% of the country would have no idea who Roy Moore is, for example.

So what is this crap I hear about a sexual abuse problem that is 200 times worse in the GOP than the DNC?

What? That cant be true? says the uninformed person on the street



Something like that. No clue.

And what percentage do you think has not only no idea how harmful the tax bill is, but that there is a tax bill, period?

[RKP5637]

35. Most are absolutely totally clueless IMO. And many don't want to hear about it, yet alone

attempt to understand the implications ...

[Eliot Rosewater]

37. And almost all of them will vote for their party without ever allowing

new information in.

Voting for your party is something democrats do, but for obviously different reasons.

By definition, if they are voting Democratic then they know something the republican voters dont know.

[smirkymonkey]

7. It's like global warming.

People aren't going to really wake up until it's too late.

[RKP5637]

36. Yep, the American way ... n/t

[kentuck]

8. My guess is:

at least until the next election.

[customerserviceguy]

10. We get our shot at the ballot box

Unless you think that running on to the tracks while the wreck is about to occur is a good idea.

Let's see what happens after Alabama.

[seaglass]

11. I think a lot of people are counting on Mueller and then the winning of the 2018 House to impeach

45.

If that fails we are done.

[moda253]

12. Myt thoughts as well

The American people are a frog in a pot of cold water on the stove. Some of us might feel the heat but by and large most of Americans have no idea what is happening to them.

If Muller doesn't come through and we don't win the house. America is over. Our democracy is waiting on a well devised hail mary pass.

[RKP5637]

25. Agree so much, many Americans stick their heads in the sand. There are so many unscrupulous

forces at work in this country and many Americans are just so unconcerned. It's hard to get many to even bother to vote ... and then many fall for all the propaganda.

[Ninga]

14. Does anyone envision a huge "taking to the streets?" Nt

[LAS14]

15. Support Obama's project to get rid of gerrymandering.

https://ndrc.bsd.net/page/s/join-the-national-democratic-redistricting-committee

This is certainly one of the least glamorous, but potentially most productive things going. Give 'em money!! Get on their mailing list.

[Ninga]

17. Thanks! Nt

[LAS14]

16. You may be speaking to the wrong crowd. I rarely see DU take off...

... around ideas for doing things. Bitching is the main energizer.

[Ninga]

19. Harnessing the collective energy would be ideal. I guess asking is a key. We need a show

100 x more powerful than women's march.

We have the numbers to turn out across the US.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. What's your goal? What's one change you'd like to see and how will you accomplish it?

[Ninga]

20. It's not so much a change, as it is speaking with one voice on one day. Soon.

Most people seem to think waiting until 2018 elections is enough.

At one time, I thought such a large member forum as DU would be more activist than I have found it to be.

[0rganism]

21. DU is as activist as you make it

DU has plenty of active members who will participate with you for the right causes
just remember, it's on you to bring the organization and leadership to your favorite projects
i recommend starting locally, maybe begin with the dedicated state forum for the state in which you live, see if people want to meet up for drinks and organizing efforts, take it forward from there. it's worked before. try it, see what happens.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. What action are you looking for that you're not seeing?

Or is it "speaking as one voice" -- which seems to be one you want to agree with you?

[Ninga]

23. Oh no. Sorry I see how you thought that....no, I'm thinking about taking to the streets...nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. Okay, so what would that look like?

When you say "taking to the streets," what do you mean? To what end? What would people do and were would they go?

[H2O Man]

32. I'd add a couple questions.

And I do so in all sincerity, as I, too, question "what else" we can and should be doing.

Would taking to the streets be in the mode of Martin Luther King's marches and demonstrations? Where people are committed to non-violence? Willing to suffer for their beliefs? Or would it be in anger, with the potential for violent disruptions and confrontations? I ask because "taking to the streets" can imply the second, which would in no way promote positive change.

[LanternWaste]

41. Arguments, merely for the sake of arguments

Arguments, merely for the sake of arguments are the very nature of grade-school petulance.

You'll allege sincerity, no doubt. A handful may buy it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. But I'm not arguing.

I'm saying that people who say things like "when will we take to the streets" actually reinforce their own helpless feelings and outlooks because they set unrealistic, vague or unreachable "goals" -- like "take to the streets" -- that they have no idea how to work toward or achieve. When people start asking themselves sharp questions about the details of whatever they think they want, the answers can walk them toward achievable, scalable actions that move toward change.

[democratisphere]

38. Good question.

The redumbliCON's wealthiest American Oligarch welfare tax fraud bill will be paid for by MORE debt and the flat line stagnant wage middle class. The execution of this absurd tax bill will probably be the end of the redumbliCON party once the masses realize they have been f'ed over! Let's see if all the redumbliCONs have decided to become complicit to drumpf and made the choice to sellout our democracy and the country.