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UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:13 PM Jul 2012

Entrance to Batman Killer's apartment in 3 phases



By the CNN Wire Staff
July 21, 2012

The operation to enter the booby-trapped apartment rented by the suspect in Friday's mass shooting in a suburban Denver movie theater will be carried out in three phases and may include controlled detonations, police said Saturday.

"First and foremost, we need to render the area safe," Public Information Officer Sgt. Cassidee Carlson told reporters. The most immediate threat, she said, is a booby trap that includes a trip wire. "Once that situation is mitigated, that may also include a controlled detonation that may cause a loud boom. There may also be a fire that erupts at this point."

Investigators will use a robot to disarm trip wires linked to explosives, and then use that same robot to remotely remove the improvised explosive devices, a law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the operation told CNN. It's also possible one of the bomb experts on site may put on protective gear and go inside the apartment, the official added.

It was not clear where all the explosives were located, though many have been seen in the living area with circuitry reaching into the kitchen, the official said. One of the incendiary devices appears to be improvised napalm and others appear to be mixtures that, if combined with other materials, could cause an explosion, the official said.

More: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-shooting-suspect-apartment/index.html?c=homepage-t
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Entrance to Batman Killer's apartment in 3 phases (Original Post) UnrepentantLiberal Jul 2012 OP
Going to be very interest to see how many of those booby traps etc are actually functional ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #1
Agreed, except for the last bit. Robb Jul 2012 #8
What do you think they would hide and why? 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #11
Discourage others, not advertise what are effective and ineffective techniques ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #24
Who says we don't need it? You? If I want to protect my A Simple Game Jul 2012 #28
If you read up thread, I said it is the police and government that will withhold such things ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #29
And I thought my post was obvious enough, guess I was wrong. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2012 #30
Wow JeepJK556 Jul 2012 #2
Nobody tried to enter the apartment. BootinUp Jul 2012 #9
That seems like quite a miracle to me.. ananda Jul 2012 #17
Has anybody in LE "talked" to the nutbag to find out every booby trap in his place thelordofhell Jul 2012 #3
No. That would be inappropriate in a criminal case in the US. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #5
I'm curious. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #12
Charge him with domestic terrorism thelordofhell Jul 2012 #15
And what particular technique would you use? 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #20
Please read reply #3 again thelordofhell Jul 2012 #22
It doesn't say WHICH technique you would use. I'd imagine some would be more effective than others. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #23
"I" would use none.........I don't believe in The Patriot Act thelordofhell Jul 2012 #25
Ahh, so as long as YOU don't have to do the torturing, who gives a shit. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #26
So you're a supporter of torture? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #27
I think a timeout in The Comfy Chair might get him to loosen up. slackmaster Jul 2012 #13
According to local news Esse Quam Videri Jul 2012 #4
This whole thing could have been much, much worse Freddie Jul 2012 #6
When I Heard That He Called Himself "The Joker"...... global1 Jul 2012 #7
Yes, because the guy who allegedly killed 12 people is likely just trying to look dangerous. LisaL Jul 2012 #16
I'd like to show this nutbag the "pencil trick" thelordofhell Jul 2012 #18
Another deadly "Joker" incident a few years ago. LastDemocratInSC Jul 2012 #10
I just turned on the radio at 2 ET and heard they just detonated something in there BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #14
It's mentioned in the article linked in the OP tammywammy Jul 2012 #21
BREAKING (CNN): All threats eliminated from apartment nt pinboy3niner Jul 2012 #19

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
1. Going to be very interest to see how many of those booby traps etc are actually functional
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:17 PM
Jul 2012

Amateurs rarely get them right on the first try. I do not expect the police to tell us the truth either.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
8. Agreed, except for the last bit.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:18 PM
Jul 2012

We'll get the truth, but wrapped in a "this could've killed everyone in a 50-mile radius if the bomb had been made with X, Y and Z" b.s. package.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
24. Discourage others, not advertise what are effective and ineffective techniques
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:40 PM
Jul 2012

It knowledge us proles have no need for.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
28. Who says we don't need it? You? If I want to protect my
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:53 PM
Jul 2012

property, I should be able to do it in any way I choose. Who are you to tell me otherwise?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
29. If you read up thread, I said it is the police and government that will withhold such things
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:17 AM
Jul 2012

I thought my proles comment was clear enough without using the sarcasm tag.

 

JeepJK556

(56 posts)
2. Wow
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jul 2012

I haven't kept up with this story since last night.

They're STILL trying to get into his apartment? That can't be good...

I also have to wonder why he didn't use explosives at the theater? Surely it would have killed more and made his escape easier?

Perhaps he planned for the apartment explosives to go off at the time of the shooting but they failed to work?

BootinUp

(51,320 posts)
9. Nobody tried to enter the apartment.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:18 PM
Jul 2012

He had the loud music go on at midnight, trying to draw someone in to the trap apparently.

ananda

(35,142 posts)
17. That seems like quite a miracle to me..
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

.. that nobody entered the apartment.

Thank God for that anyway.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
3. Has anybody in LE "talked" to the nutbag to find out every booby trap in his place
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jul 2012

And by "talked" I mean used enhanced interrogation techniques

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. No. That would be inappropriate in a criminal case in the US.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
Jul 2012

He has requested an attorney and isn't talking, anyway. That is his right.

Law enforcement are big boys and can handle this. They use robots for the real dangerous stuff.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
15. Charge him with domestic terrorism
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jul 2012

Then use the methods that The Patriot Act has allowed.....................I wish The Patriot Act wasn't around, but dammit, this is pretty much precisely what it is supposed to be used for.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
23. It doesn't say WHICH technique you would use. I'd imagine some would be more effective than others.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:33 PM
Jul 2012

So... which one?

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
25. "I" would use none.........I don't believe in The Patriot Act
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:45 PM
Jul 2012

But I would assume that the proper authorities have some gruesome ways of making someone speak. Until it gets repealed, use the current laws to your advantage (i.e. Citizens United)

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
13. I think a timeout in The Comfy Chair might get him to loosen up.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:03 PM
Jul 2012

Or maybe The Soft Cushions.

Freddie

(10,104 posts)
6. This whole thing could have been much, much worse
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 12:47 PM
Jul 2012

He left loud music on in his apartment in hopes that a neighbor would come by to complain, see that the door was unlocked, open it and blow up the building.

global1

(26,507 posts)
7. When I Heard That He Called Himself "The Joker"......
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:14 PM
Jul 2012

I thought that these booby traps were bogus and he was bluffing - just looking dangerous - but in reality just a ruse. I guess that this has proved not to be so. I guess they are legitimate booby traps.

LisaL

(47,423 posts)
16. Yes, because the guy who allegedly killed 12 people is likely just trying to look dangerous.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jul 2012

Makes so much sense.

LastDemocratInSC

(4,242 posts)
10. Another deadly "Joker" incident a few years ago.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:38 PM
Jul 2012

This event happened near my daughter's home in Virginia. A military guy dressed up as the Joker had stabbed another soldier on his base and then took off. He was located in Shenandoah National Park and tried to elude the police there. It didn't work out so well for him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-4863064.html

BumRushDaShow

(169,742 posts)
14. I just turned on the radio at 2 ET and heard they just detonated something in there
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jul 2012

of course Conservative News Network's webpage says nothing and MSNBC's hints at it.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
21. It's mentioned in the article linked in the OP
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 02:18 PM
Jul 2012
Investigators carried out Saturday a "controlled detonation" inside the booby-trapped apartment of movie theater shooting suspect James E. Holmes, the latest move in a three-step effort to enter the apartment.

The blast came after a policeman yelled, "Fire in the hole!" three times.

Fire officials were on standby, but there was no immediate indication of a fire.

Earlier, a trip wire and an incendiary device were both dealt with, Public Information Officer Sgt. Cassidee Carlson told reporters. "This trip wire was set up to clearly detonate when somebody entered the apartment, and it was set up to kill that person," she said. "That could have been a police officer executing a search warrant. This is some serious stuff our team is dealing with."
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