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chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:48 AM Dec 2017

MUST READ: KT McFarland admitted RUSSIA THREW THE ELECTION TO TRUMP!!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html?_r=1

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On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trump’s victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.




Chuck mentioned it on "Meet the Press" . But didn't PRESS the issue with Susan Collins. Anybody else see this in the NY Times???
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MUST READ: KT McFarland admitted RUSSIA THREW THE ELECTION TO TRUMP!!! (Original Post) chimpymustgo Dec 2017 OP
Incredible zanana1 Dec 2017 #1
I'm just going to copy paste what I've said elsewhere greeny2323 Dec 2017 #2
You're making ASSUMPTIONS. You are dismissing the part where she SAYS it. chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #3
+1,000 malaise Dec 2017 #6
There is another possibility: she is considering RUSSIA's janx Dec 2017 #13
The context of the full email suggests clearly that you are right about this. enough Dec 2017 #4
How does the context suggest this? kcr Dec 2017 #14
This is false on its face, this is a smoking gun ... no magic bullet bullshit here uponit7771 Dec 2017 #22
Sure looks like it to me. What part of "which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him" shraby Dec 2017 #5
but it is still only about influencing actual voters Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #7
No one has actually looked to see if there was no tampering with ballots, votes, shraby Dec 2017 #8
It has been investigated Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #11
I believe the established federal authorities do not want triron Dec 2017 #16
What??? You can spin, spin, spin but it won't negate what she actually said. Nice try. ATL Ebony Dec 2017 #9
BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! This is THE smoking gun. Fuck a "magic bullet" explanation uponit7771 Dec 2017 #21
Incomplete quotes are always suspect. GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #24
This too will pass, and a new day will dawn L. Coyote Dec 2017 #10
Oh that's good. All I want for Christmas... nt chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #17
There is no way to GallopingGhost Dec 2017 #12
They do it because there are always some who will buy it. kcr Dec 2017 #15
kick for visibility triron Dec 2017 #18
This begs a follow up question Generic Brad Dec 2017 #19
You are asking a good question. Not sure it will ever be answered triron Dec 2017 #20
Voter purging, bots, RT media. What's NOT being said is technically there has to be only uponit7771 Dec 2017 #23

zanana1

(6,085 posts)
1. Incredible
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:53 AM
Dec 2017

Once they start digging, the inevitable conclusion will be that Trump and his minions stole the election.

 

greeny2323

(590 posts)
2. I'm just going to copy paste what I've said elsewhere
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:54 AM
Dec 2017

It is extremely unlikely she's claiming to know that Russia threw the election to Trump.

She's claiming that Obama is boxing them in because if they object to the sanctions it might make people wonder if there was a quid pro quo. She's also saying that Obama might have further evidence on Russia and that he might be leading Trump into a trap (where Trump says nice things about Russia and then, bam!, Obama releases some direct evidence).

She's not claiming in this email that she knows Russia helped them win the election.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
3. You're making ASSUMPTIONS. You are dismissing the part where she SAYS it.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:04 PM
Dec 2017

The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.



janx

(24,128 posts)
13. There is another possibility: she is considering RUSSIA's
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:53 PM
Dec 2017

point of view--that they thought they had thrown the election to Trump; therefore, the Trump admin needs to keep them happy.

But the problem here is that we don't see the full email and don't know the context.

enough

(13,237 posts)
4. The context of the full email suggests clearly that you are right about this.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:07 PM
Dec 2017

But expect to be piled on anyway.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
14. How does the context suggest this?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:07 PM
Dec 2017

Particularly when the Trump admin were falling all over themselves to reassure Russia?

shraby

(21,946 posts)
5. Sure looks like it to me. What part of "which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him"
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:16 PM
Dec 2017

don't you understand?
Looks pretty straight forward to me.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
7. but it is still only about influencing actual voters
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:37 PM
Dec 2017

it has been said there was no tampering with votes, ballots, machinery, computers so it helps to remind even us what "throwing an election" means. And in the OP, "throwing" is how you characterize the loser losing on purpose which we clearly did not.

I agree with your reply, just adding my sense of things.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
8. No one has actually looked to see if there was no tampering with ballots, votes,
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:51 PM
Dec 2017

machinery, etc. up to this date.
How can you make such a statement?
We DO know the voters were tampered with by propaganda, and voter i.d. and throwing people off the voting lists.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
11. It has been investigated
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:10 PM
Dec 2017

in the usual ways these things are and just as an example in regard to actual tampering of votes

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-dhs-secretary-jeh-johnson-no-votes-changed-by-russians-in-2016-election/article/2626624

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/white-house-hackers-election-recount-231849

Propaganda in itself is not collusion. The other things you mentioned are serious, but when Trump alleged voter fraud it was immediately refuted by the FEC. Of course he was making accusations against blue states but I have not seen any real effort by the responsible agencies in looking at irregularities in the states that put him in WH besides officials like the ones in link saying there was no proof votes were changed. I just do not have faith that the investigation is going anywhere that will change anything.



triron

(21,916 posts)
16. I believe the established federal authorities do not want
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:11 PM
Dec 2017

the American public to believe the election was a fraud. Same thing is true with regard to evidence of extraterrestrial
visitation and encounters. You probably think that is a bunch of pseudo science as well. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that election results were altered (exit poll analyses and pre-election predictions, etc.). Why do you think DU went down due to hacking on election day afternoon?

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
12. There is no way to
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:32 PM
Dec 2017

spin this.

None.

I'm also sick of the talking heads trying to spin it that Trump knew nothing; it was everyone around him.

He knew.

Generic Brad

(14,270 posts)
19. This begs a follow up question
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:57 PM
Dec 2017

How did Russia throw the election to him? We now have the what and the why. What we don't have is the how.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
23. Voter purging, bots, RT media. What's NOT being said is technically there has to be only
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:14 PM
Dec 2017

... 2 people out of 120 million something that voted that was influenced by the Russians to make it true that the Russians did influences votes.

It's highly probable that 2 people can be found

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