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Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:48 AM

MUST READ: KT McFarland admitted RUSSIA THREW THE ELECTION TO TRUMP!!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html?_r=1

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On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trump’s victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.




Chuck mentioned it on "Meet the Press" . But didn't PRESS the issue with Susan Collins. Anybody else see this in the NY Times???

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Reply MUST READ: KT McFarland admitted RUSSIA THREW THE ELECTION TO TRUMP!!! (Original post)
chimpymustgo Dec 2017 OP
zanana1 Dec 2017 #1
greeny2323 Dec 2017 #2
chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #3
malaise Dec 2017 #6
janx Dec 2017 #13
enough Dec 2017 #4
kcr Dec 2017 #14
uponit7771 Dec 2017 #22
shraby Dec 2017 #5
Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #7
shraby Dec 2017 #8
Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #11
triron Dec 2017 #16
ATL Ebony Dec 2017 #9
uponit7771 Dec 2017 #21
GeorgeGist Dec 2017 #24
L. Coyote Dec 2017 #10
chimpymustgo Dec 2017 #17
GallopingGhost Dec 2017 #12
kcr Dec 2017 #15
triron Dec 2017 #18
Generic Brad Dec 2017 #19
triron Dec 2017 #20
uponit7771 Dec 2017 #23

Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:53 AM

1. Incredible

Once they start digging, the inevitable conclusion will be that Trump and his minions stole the election.

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Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:54 AM

2. I'm just going to copy paste what I've said elsewhere

 

It is extremely unlikely she's claiming to know that Russia threw the election to Trump.

She's claiming that Obama is boxing them in because if they object to the sanctions it might make people wonder if there was a quid pro quo. She's also saying that Obama might have further evidence on Russia and that he might be leading Trump into a trap (where Trump says nice things about Russia and then, bam!, Obama releases some direct evidence).

She's not claiming in this email that she knows Russia helped them win the election.

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:04 PM

3. You're making ASSUMPTIONS. You are dismissing the part where she SAYS it.

The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.



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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:32 PM

6. +1,000

Clear as day

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Response to chimpymustgo (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:53 PM

13. There is another possibility: she is considering RUSSIA's

point of view--that they thought they had thrown the election to Trump; therefore, the Trump admin needs to keep them happy.

But the problem here is that we don't see the full email and don't know the context.

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 12:07 PM

4. The context of the full email suggests clearly that you are right about this.

But expect to be piled on anyway.

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Response to enough (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:07 PM

14. How does the context suggest this?

Particularly when the Trump admin were falling all over themselves to reassure Russia?

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Response to enough (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:11 PM

22. This is false on its face, this is a smoking gun ... no magic bullet bullshit here

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:16 PM

5. Sure looks like it to me. What part of "which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him"

don't you understand?
Looks pretty straight forward to me.

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:37 PM

7. but it is still only about influencing actual voters

it has been said there was no tampering with votes, ballots, machinery, computers so it helps to remind even us what "throwing an election" means. And in the OP, "throwing" is how you characterize the loser losing on purpose which we clearly did not.

I agree with your reply, just adding my sense of things.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:51 PM

8. No one has actually looked to see if there was no tampering with ballots, votes,

machinery, etc. up to this date.
How can you make such a statement?
We DO know the voters were tampered with by propaganda, and voter i.d. and throwing people off the voting lists.

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Response to shraby (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:10 PM

11. It has been investigated


in the usual ways these things are and just as an example in regard to actual tampering of votes

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-dhs-secretary-jeh-johnson-no-votes-changed-by-russians-in-2016-election/article/2626624

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/white-house-hackers-election-recount-231849

Propaganda in itself is not collusion. The other things you mentioned are serious, but when Trump alleged voter fraud it was immediately refuted by the FEC. Of course he was making accusations against blue states but I have not seen any real effort by the responsible agencies in looking at irregularities in the states that put him in WH besides officials like the ones in link saying there was no proof votes were changed. I just do not have faith that the investigation is going anywhere that will change anything.



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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:11 PM

16. I believe the established federal authorities do not want

the American public to believe the election was a fraud. Same thing is true with regard to evidence of extraterrestrial
visitation and encounters. You probably think that is a bunch of pseudo science as well. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that election results were altered (exit poll analyses and pre-election predictions, etc.). Why do you think DU went down due to hacking on election day afternoon?

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:52 PM

9. What??? You can spin, spin, spin but it won't negate what she actually said. Nice try.

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:10 PM

21. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! This is THE smoking gun. Fuck a "magic bullet" explanation

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Response to greeny2323 (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:35 PM

24. Incomplete quotes are always suspect.

This is likely a nothingburger with cheese.

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Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 01:53 PM

10. This too will pass, and a new day will dawn

for some of us ....

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 08:34 PM

17. Oh that's good. All I want for Christmas... nt

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Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:32 PM

12. There is no way to

spin this.

None.

I'm also sick of the talking heads trying to spin it that Trump knew nothing; it was everyone around him.

He knew.

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Response to GallopingGhost (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 07:09 PM

15. They do it because there are always some who will buy it.

They're even in this thread.

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Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:48 PM

18. kick for visibility

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Response to chimpymustgo (Original post)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 09:57 PM

19. This begs a follow up question

How did Russia throw the election to him? We now have the what and the why. What we don't have is the how.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 10:10 PM

20. You are asking a good question. Not sure it will ever be answered

completely.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 3, 2017, 11:14 PM

23. Voter purging, bots, RT media. What's NOT being said is technically there has to be only

... 2 people out of 120 million something that voted that was influenced by the Russians to make it true that the Russians did influences votes.

It's highly probable that 2 people can be found

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