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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMUST READ: KT McFarland admitted RUSSIA THREW THE ELECTION TO TRUMP!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html?_r=1-edit-
On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trumps victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him, she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.
Chuck mentioned it on "Meet the Press" . But didn't PRESS the issue with Susan Collins. Anybody else see this in the NY Times???
zanana1
(6,085 posts)Once they start digging, the inevitable conclusion will be that Trump and his minions stole the election.
greeny2323
(590 posts)It is extremely unlikely she's claiming to know that Russia threw the election to Trump.
She's claiming that Obama is boxing them in because if they object to the sanctions it might make people wonder if there was a quid pro quo. She's also saying that Obama might have further evidence on Russia and that he might be leading Trump into a trap (where Trump says nice things about Russia and then, bam!, Obama releases some direct evidence).
She's not claiming in this email that she knows Russia helped them win the election.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him, she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.
malaise
(267,824 posts)Clear as day
janx
(24,128 posts)point of view--that they thought they had thrown the election to Trump; therefore, the Trump admin needs to keep them happy.
But the problem here is that we don't see the full email and don't know the context.
enough
(13,237 posts)But expect to be piled on anyway.
kcr
(15,300 posts)Particularly when the Trump admin were falling all over themselves to reassure Russia?
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)don't you understand?
Looks pretty straight forward to me.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)it has been said there was no tampering with votes, ballots, machinery, computers so it helps to remind even us what "throwing an election" means. And in the OP, "throwing" is how you characterize the loser losing on purpose which we clearly did not.
I agree with your reply, just adding my sense of things.
shraby
(21,946 posts)machinery, etc. up to this date.
How can you make such a statement?
We DO know the voters were tampered with by propaganda, and voter i.d. and throwing people off the voting lists.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)in the usual ways these things are and just as an example in regard to actual tampering of votes
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-dhs-secretary-jeh-johnson-no-votes-changed-by-russians-in-2016-election/article/2626624
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/white-house-hackers-election-recount-231849
Propaganda in itself is not collusion. The other things you mentioned are serious, but when Trump alleged voter fraud it was immediately refuted by the FEC. Of course he was making accusations against blue states but I have not seen any real effort by the responsible agencies in looking at irregularities in the states that put him in WH besides officials like the ones in link saying there was no proof votes were changed. I just do not have faith that the investigation is going anywhere that will change anything.
triron
(21,916 posts)the American public to believe the election was a fraud. Same thing is true with regard to evidence of extraterrestrial
visitation and encounters. You probably think that is a bunch of pseudo science as well. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that election results were altered (exit poll analyses and pre-election predictions, etc.). Why do you think DU went down due to hacking on election day afternoon?
ATL Ebony
(1,097 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)This is likely a nothingburger with cheese.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)for some of us ....
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)spin this.
None.
I'm also sick of the talking heads trying to spin it that Trump knew nothing; it was everyone around him.
He knew.
kcr
(15,300 posts)They're even in this thread.
triron
(21,916 posts)Generic Brad
(14,270 posts)How did Russia throw the election to him? We now have the what and the why. What we don't have is the how.
triron
(21,916 posts)completely.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... 2 people out of 120 million something that voted that was influenced by the Russians to make it true that the Russians did influences votes.
It's highly probable that 2 people can be found