For those worried the republicans will not impeach Trump, no matter what.

[shockey80]

When Mueller charges the Trump Whitehouse with obstruction of justice and conspiracy against America the Republicans will be forced to impeach for these reasons.

If they did not impeach that would mean the end of the rule of law. This country would explode. You would see the largest protests in American history. Violence would break out. Republicans in congress would need full time security. There lives would be in danger.

It would amount to a coup. The Republicans would be telling us they no longer believe in the rule of law. Only what they believe and say counts.

Think about, if charges are brought and nothing happened how would you respond? At least 60% of the American people hate Trump. They would revolt.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. I think it's over for the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief... always have, even when

people here were telling me NOT to use the "I" word. The reason I've been so sure about that Nazi fuck's imminent impeachment is that there are a significant number of Rethugs who despise that POS as much as the Democrats. It's just a matter of time now... tick, tock!!!

[historian]

4. sadly i dont think so

There are more than enough reasons to impeach the cretin in chief mostly because he is certifiably insane, breaks laws continuously, knows nothing but, more alarmingly, has his finger on the nuclear weapons codes. The republicans are so concerned about keeping their majority and their orangutang in power, that they forget their loyalty is not to the party but to the country and in this case to the world. I was in Europe recently and believe me the USA is the laughingstock of the world.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. Guess we'll just hafta agree to disagree... things may hafta wait

a year, when the majority party of both chambers of Congress change hands, but, I wouldn't count on it taking that long. I'm betting there's a large enough faction of the Rethug establishment salivating over the prospect of dumpin tRump who would join with Democrats and can his azz.

[Eyeball_Kid]

19. It doesn't take a big shift in sentiment for the House to vote for impeachment.

There only needs to be 20 or 30 GOPers to vote for impeachment, and Trumpy's case then goes to the Senate for a trial that will end in expulsion.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. That's how I see it... get your popcorn ready!!

[onenote]

35. Which Republican senators will vote to convict?

[Zoonart]

27. I sadly agree.

as to revolution...I think that Americans have been so secure in the power and righteousness of it's democracy that they will not be prepared to revolt.
I think the people are too soft .
"the worst are full of passionate intensity."

William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[yuiyoshida]

2. Trump wants an authoritarian government

Trump admires Putin, Rodrigo Duterte and Kim Jong Un aka little rocketman and the Republicans need a useful idiot to pass their kinds of legislatures that favor the rich over everyone else. Republicans want to strip away what government there is left, and plan to dismantle it in front of our very eyes.

[marble falls]

3. He'll be impeached. We need to start figuring how we're going to deal with Preisedent Ryan...

We need to fix Congress as well as we can in 2018.

[marble falls]

15. I feel your pain, but we need to keep from going back to the primaries. There's just no answer to...

pull from it. Plus attacking Democrats is highly frowned upon here at DU. You might want to consider re wording your post, just a friendly suggestion.

What do we do together with a President Ryan?

[Madam Mossfern]

16. No need for that old hand wringing.

It serves no purpose but to divide us.
BTW, I'm a staunch Bernie supporter, and I believe he wouldn't approve of rehashing the primaries.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. You're right, Bernie's too classy for that.

[emulatorloo]

21. Yes, Bernie primary supporter too, hearing the false "rigged primary" meme on DU is pretty tiresome.

I don't believe Bernie would care for that either.

[emulatorloo]

17. As Bernie has said, he lost the primary fair and square. Of course Bernie was on the ballot. He got

fewer votes.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. Time to start mobilizing... no time to waste!!

[Eyeball_Kid]

23. Ryan and the GOP leadership will be indicted on RICO charges.

Ryan was recorded making a deal with Kislyak to launder Russian money to be used in the 2016 campaigns. Twice. McConnell's in on it, too. He received something between 3 and 5 million bucks that a Russian oligarch dumped into his PAC, AND he refused to agree to exposing the Trumpy-Russia scandal well before the election (as circumstantial evidence of a cover-up).

Pence will also be indicted on Conspiracy charges among others. That will lead us to Hatch and/or Mattis as successors.

Mueller's doing a clean sweep. Watch.

[smirkymonkey]

30. I'm liking your line of thinking on all of this.

You are giving me the shot of hope that I needed.

[onenote]

36. Fantasy.

No one is getting indicted on RICO charges.

[burnbaby]

6. All we know right now

is Flynn admitted to lying about talking to the ambassador of Russia during transition. He was told to do so my someone way up in the trump administration.

I don't understand why he had to lie but he did

It's unclear as to where the obstruction is, although it will come out it always does. Firing Comey was legal, if I understand things correctly, because that position works under the pleasure of the president.

You have us in a revolt, stop, wait for things to unfold which it appears to be happening quite well and the train is moving faster and faster.

I think Mueller can only suggest charges against trump, congress would be the one to start the impeachment process.

If I start getting excited now it could lead to a let down and I can't handle that

[pangaia]

7. You may be right... or not.. I hope so.. but...

When Mueller charges the Trump Whitehouse with obstruction of justice and conspiracy against America the Republicans will be forced to impeach for these reasons.

If they did not impeach that would mean the end of the rule of law. YES


This country would explode. NO


You would see the largest protests in American history. NO


Violence would break out. NO

Republicans in congress would need full time security. There lives would be in danger.

It would amount to a coup. YES


The Republicans would be telling us they no longer believe in the rule of law.
Only what they believe and say counts. YES

At least 60% of the American people hate Trump. They would revolt. NO

[Cosmocat]

10. Yep

nm

[brush]

24. I disagree that there won't be huge protests if obstruction is proven by Muellar.

There was a huge women's protest march in Jan.

Why would you think that won't happen again and include men?

I myself will be out in the streets as will thousands of others.

[cheyanne]

31. Trump is already inciting violence in his base. The faked Islamic videos

is just the beginning.

He needs violence as an excuse for rounding up anti-Trump elements. There are 200 or so protesters at the inauguration are on trial:

"On Monday, six people became the first to stand trial in connection with violent demonstrations that took place in Washington, D.C., the day President Trump was inaugurated.

Defense attorneys claim their clients are innocent and abstained from violence while prosecutors say by not leaving, the protesters participated in the violence. "They helped this path of destruction and it’s for those choices that they made that they need to be held accountable," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Kerkhoff."

per USA Today.

Trump is also setting up Mueller for an investigation by the DOJ. I assume it will find evidence enough to subpoena Mueller, letting Trump appoint an interim counsel.

[bdamomma]

40. He is inciting violence to his base

they are the only ones who truly believe in him.

[Cosmocat]

8. No chance, none, that Ryan or McConnell will allow it to come up

and, it takes 67 senators to vote guilty if the House gives them the articles.

You will find that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow before you find more than a handful of R senators who would do an R POTUS - regardless of what horrible things he or she did.

If you don't think these assholes can't sink further you haven't been paying attention the last several decades.

[hurple]

9. The only way they will impeach tRump

is if his approval rating get so low that it makes them fear for their re-election chances or it stops the flow of money from their big donors.

That is the ONLY reason they will abandon the chump trump.

[Poiuyt]

12. Exactly

[unblock]

32. even then they likely won't impeach him, they'll try to convince him to resign.

just as they did nixon.

if donnie's gotta go, they're *not* going to want to do it by explicitly voting to overrule the votes of voters they depend on, never mind the media circus of bad press that an impeachment and trial and removal would bring.

they'll only impeach him if donnie refuses to go even when confronted with enough votes for impeachment and removal.

[The Genealogist]

45. Yep, once the gravy train is derailed, then they will begin to abandon him

And it will take a lot of toxicity to derail that train.

[Yavin4]

11. "You would see the largest protests in American history." That would mean that people would have...

to put down their smart phones for 5 minutes. Not gonna happen.

[brush]

26. I disagree. Your memory is short...there was a huge women's protest march in Jan.

Why do you think another won't be mobilized that includes men too?

I'll be there, as will thousands of others.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

34. AMEN!!

I DON'T GET that we wouldn't be out on the streets in about 2 minutes after it was clear that the idiots lead by the pointy head moron mcconnell refuse to impeach the pootie-poo's bitch. People are SO sick of trump's shit, even ALOT of the idiots who voted for him, (Why? I'll never know)

[Jakes Progress]

43. Not a memory problem. A result problem.

I was in that march. It felt wonderful, empowering, uplifting.

And there has been some changes. But the republicans that you think will punish trump just passed the most anti-woman tax legislation in decades. None of the things we marched to get are supported in that bill. Actually, it attacks most those principles directly.

As we watch "principled" republicans cave by embracing the pussy-grabber and then hugging the Alabama pederast, I don't see where you feel they will be swayed by our protest. The kochs and their like are getting what they paid for from republicans. You don't have a couple of billion dollars? Then you don't get a say.

I think impeachment is possible this way. After the rich get what they wanted (cuts to their taxes and regulation and starting to undo entitlements), they will get rid of the orange blowhard and install their guy. Say hello to President ryan.

[brush]

47. You make some good point as to what has transpired but IMO there will be huge, multi-city marches...

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if Muellar's findings show trump's guilt and nothing is done.

I don't care if the repugs have done their duty to their rich clients with the tax scam or whatever, people will be in the streets in unprecedented numbers and it won't be a one-day movement.

trump will either resign or the 25th Amendment will be deployed, or the repugs will very reluctantly start impeachment proceedings.

Media pressure will amp up (many in the press have already taken off the gloves and are openly calling him a liar).

This won't go away just as Muellar's investigation won't.

And if trump fires Muellar that'll just accelerate the whole end game.

Nixon tried his best to stonewall it and stick it out but circumstances beyond his control gained increasing strength and he was forced out.

There are too many tentacles emanating out of Russia and connecting to too many actors in trump's campaign/admin for this to just dissipate with no seriously negative consequences — and of course there are the just as impeachable and quite evident obstruction of justice incidents we've witnessed from trump.

He's going down.

[Jakes Progress]

48. May be. But I wouldn't put any trust

in sitting republicans to do anything right or decent regardless of their motive. They are the true deplorables.

[Kimchijeon]

13. Oh, dear. Wouldn't it be nice

..but they realize that they can do whatever they want now with the corporate propaganda support. I know it's frustrating but still a nice thought.

[Johnny2X2X]

25. Those who vote don't matter, those who counts votes matter

The coup has already taken place. The Russians changed vote totals. The GOP is all in on it and that's why we're seeing them vote for laws that normally would spell doom for them next Fall. They've been told by Trump (The guy who wields the Russian hacker power) that he'll guarantee their reelection if they play ball with him.

This is a criminal enterprise running the country. One thing criminal enterprises is great at is getting others to participate and become co-conspirators. Once they have their claws into you, there is no way out because you're now exposed criminally too.

They are not going to impeach because impeachment would lead to the down fall of many of them too. Th only hope Democracy in America has is for the election boards to take action to protect the vote at a local level.

[Orangeutan]

28. Wouldn't be the first time Repug's have engineered a coup.

[mitch96]

29. Putin would be very happy

He would have succeeded in blowing up the US government with out firing a shot...uggh..
m

[L. Coyote]

33. Once the charges are revealed, the whole equation changes. Treason, overthrowing the election ....

and collusion with a foreign enemy will certainly result in an almost immediate resignation.

Don't worry and await the Statement of Offense. Then watch what happens. Republicans know what is coming and they know what the legal jeopardy is. This is why they are so quiet about the issue and not defending Trump's lies. But they are not going to make thing worse ahead of Mueller's schedule because their effectiveness and power would diminish. They are all in on this together, albeit not everyone will take a fall. Some will hang their own in the public square though to hang on to as much power as is salvageable. The best way to do that is swift resignations.

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[ffr]

37. I think the Russians, I mean Republicans would consider ending the rule of law

if it meant retaining power. Hey, they already conspired with a hostile foreign government to undermine our election process. In for a dime. In for a dollar.

I think they may believe that a civil war would actually benefit the country.

[ollie10]

38. So those who support Trump believe in the rule of law?

[Bayard]

39. People are sheep

They may bitch heartily about the state of the union, but they'll just keep going about their little lives.

[bdamomma]

44. they won't

go along to get along unless it affects their lives personally.



Also a madman a with Nuclear capabilities, is something our founding fathers did not think of. Impeachment should not be thrown aside. Just my opinion.

[workinclasszero]

41. After the pussy grabber signs the 1%er attack on America tax bill into law

The Grand Old Pedophile party might just cut Twitler loose and let him twist in the wind.

He will have served the purpose of the Koch's, Mercer's and Wall St.

[oberliner]

42. They won't impeach even under those circumstances

It is not going to happen. Violence won't break out.

[EL34x4]

46. Youre not going to convince Republicans that Trump...

...needs to be impeached by appealing to the rule of law. Most of them believe the Mueller investigation is a partisan witch hunt looking for process crimes and Hillary Clinton quite literally got away with murder.