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..BREAKING...Supremes allow Travel Ban...DAMN!!!! (Original Post) Softail1 Dec 2017 OP
Damn Sugarcoated Dec 2017 #1
No surprise.... FarPoint Dec 2017 #2
Making way for the weak national security strategy ck4829 Dec 2017 #3
Not exactly what happened. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #4
..never said it was decided on the merits.. Softail1 Dec 2017 #5
Interesting. Kingofalldems Dec 2017 #8
"Allow travel ban" is a bit different from lifting an injunction on the travel ban. Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #9
Ok, I see how it might br taken the wrong way Softail1 Dec 2017 #13
There's just way too much crazy legal stuff going on Ms. Toad Dec 2017 #14
It's a temporary order until lower courts rule. Cattledog Dec 2017 #6
And thats why Republicans stole that Scotus seat from Obama and Garland TeamPooka Dec 2017 #7
And thats why Republicans stole that Scotus seat from Obama and Garland. LenaBaby61 Dec 2017 #10
It was a 7-2 decision MichMan Dec 2017 #12
Looks temporary but yeah, sucks uponit7771 Dec 2017 #11

ck4829

(37,513 posts)
3. Making way for the weak national security strategy
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:23 PM
Dec 2017

Ahh, there's a mass shooter but he didn't say "Allahu Ackbar", so it's clearly not that bad... just a mass murder.

(And yes, I've actually been told it's "*just* a mass murder" word for word)

Ms. Toad

(38,415 posts)
4. Not exactly what happened.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:29 PM
Dec 2017

Always read legal analysis by lay people - and especially headlines - with a grain of salt.

The course is still winding its way through the system. A lower court blocked the ban while it was being reviewed. The Supreme Court lifted the temporary lower court block.

It is not a direct review of the merits of the travel ban by the Supreme Court (although an injunction does embed in its analysis a likelihood of success on the merits test).

 

Softail1

(56 posts)
5. ..never said it was decided on the merits..
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 05:33 PM
Dec 2017

...just pissed that while the lower courts go thru the motions...the ban IS now allowed to take place...and looks like it was a 7-2 decision to lift the injunction...doesn't look good for sure...

Ms. Toad

(38,415 posts)
9. "Allow travel ban" is a bit different from lifting an injunction on the travel ban.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 06:37 PM
Dec 2017

And even if you understood the distinction (and were using shorthand), the majority of DU woudl read your headlilne as a decision on the merits.

 

Softail1

(56 posts)
13. Ok, I see how it might br taken the wrong way
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 07:06 PM
Dec 2017

technically you are right, they are lifting the injunction, which has the effect of allowing the travel ban to happen..although it is supposed to be temporary until lower courts rule, it seems that a 7-2 dec. to lift the inj. indicates that the court is inclined to fully allow it when/if they have to rule on the merits...ughhhh!!!!!

Ms. Toad

(38,415 posts)
14. There's just way too much crazy legal stuff going on
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 08:01 PM
Dec 2017

And a lot of misinterpretation - largely driven by inaccurate media headlines.

There were quite a few breathless, "Trump due in court Tuesday," threads yesterday - in regard to a motion hearing. This seemed like another of those.

It's hard to predict how they'll ultimately rule - but the likely to prevail on the merits is part of the standard for issuing an injunction which, by overruling it, the Supremes impliedly rejected.

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
10. And thats why Republicans stole that Scotus seat from Obama and Garland.
Mon Dec 4, 2017, 06:41 PM
Dec 2017

And you can see where this is all going.

Getting rid of Roe v Wade.
Getting rid of Unions.
Getting rid of Civil Rights Legislation.
Getting rid completely of laws protecting us from police over reach.
Getting rid of fill in the blank______________________ that's there to protect those with NO voice and NO power.

We're fucked for a generation and MORE, because fatso's filling these courts with unqualified, RWNJ and flat out racist judges for a LIFETIME.

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