3 interesting facts abou Mueller's Deutsch Bank subpoena

[Wwcd]

This is huge for 2 reasons:

- Deutsch Bank paid DOJ settlement for involvement in $10b Russian money laundering scheme

- Kushner took $285m loan from them right before election.

- Wilbur Ross, our Sec of Commerce was fired from Deutsch Bank for money laundering. He then moved to Cyprus Bank where he continued laundering for Russian involved in real estate deals including some with the Trump org.
Wilbur’s payback was a Cabinet position.

The Senate Intel Republicans blocking Deutsch financials on Trump today, is telling.
They are sworn to protect the big bomb that completes a RICO charge, (Mueller's already got that) , and their refusal now equals Obstruction on their part.
They should all fall like dominos in the end.

[elfin]

1. Operative word in last sentence....

"should"

Hope Mueller has bodyguards.

[Hawaii Hiker]

11. I think he does

(If this link works correctly), the 2 people behind him in this picture seem to always be near him...

https://www.google.com/search?q=robert+mueller+images&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS770US771&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=3hTKSgRMiwaaFM%253A%252CMgCNVOL2xeqZSM%252C_&usg=__ufwZNDppdXRbgmoaeMgBjuo6MCc%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt8rv8yPPXAhWPON8KHVIPCLwQ9QEIKzAB#imgrc=3hTKSgRMiwaaFM:

[GeorgeGist]

49. Shouldn't one of them be in front?

[ToxMarz]

23. I hope he does too

But I trust he's smart enough not to keep everything he knows just in his head.

[Alice11111]

35. For sure. Many people know, plus he is working with NY.

I wonder if Rosenstein knows. Trump must hate him. He helped him fire Comey, but gave him someone whose credibility hadn't been desyroyed. Poetic irony.

[lagomorph777]

39. I believe Mueller has set up a dead-man switch.

If he disappears or is fired, the switch flips and it's like at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Dirt flies out on every Trump and RePutin in town. Their faces melt and they are all blown away.

[DAMANgoldberg]

51. That and...

NY AG Eric Schneiderman.
plus other AGs in other states that Dumpf can't intimidate.

[lagomorph777]

56. Yep!

[sunonmars]

2. There is no doubt now that Trump is a target of this investigation now.

[FakeNoose]

25. OK I'll bite

... was there ever any doubt ... EVER?

Cheeto has been the target all along because the FBI had the Steele dossier and various other reports/emails/telephone transcripts BEFORE the election. Comey was still in charge then and he knew Trump was guilty, he had the proof. This has taken more than a year, and it will probably take another year before Mueller is done.

[Wwcd]

27. Ha! Coolest gif

[maxsolomon]

3. Ross is slimy AF

I have no idea why he felt emboldened enough to take a Cabinet Position and turn a spotlight on himself. why would his Gollum ass even want it at this point?

maybe Russian told him to...

[Nitram]

8. All of these guys suffer from a collosal hubris that makes them think they are invulnerable.

Sort of like a 16-year-old after a few beers.

[erronis]

12. Oooh. I remember those days!

And then life slammed me in the face.

I wish the young/wannabes could learn from our lives.
But no, they'll do just as we did.
Make our own mistakes.

[Nitram]

16. Here, hold my beer. Now watch this...

[Hortensis]

41. :) Andrew Higgins, NYT Moscow correspondent.

Never see Wilbur Ross mentioned these days without remembering Higgins' piece last spring,

"New Commerce Secretary Was No Friend to Russians at Cyprus Bank" "...in fact, he forced them (Russians) out of the bank." https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/world/europe/wilbur-ross-russia-bank-of-cyprus.html?_r=0

I put a lot of credibility on those bald statements back then. And every time I've looked since, Pulitzer-winner Higgins has still been with the NYT. Don't know what to think about him and this yet, but I do know the NYT's coverage in 2015-2016 was dishonest and sabotaged Hillary and Democrats in general.

Seems clear after all these months, though, that either Ross is relatively clean Russia-wise or Higgins and the NYT are dirty. We've seen a lot of journalists and journals now whose strings are yanked dutifully produce outrageously dishonest stories. It'd actually be preferable that Ross be clean...

[Alice11111]

37. Maybe. I bet Manafort wishes he had never had his

Day in the sun. I think Russia wanted him there, or otherwise, with his baggage, he would have to be really stupid to have taken that position. He is not.

Flynn was an idiot to take it too, but I believe he was pushed there; he is not so sharp. Much hubris, especially given being fired by Obama. That is probably one thing that motivated him...a chance to be respected again, and revenge.

[PJMcK]

60. Your two points

First, I disagree about Manafort. While he may be "smart" in his plots to evade international banking laws, he is actually pretty stupid. Look at his bail issue: he was told not to plead his case outside the courtroom but he was writing an OpEd with a Russian colleague. Did he not realize he's under surveillance? That seems pretty dumb because he may have jeopardized his release.

Second, I agree with you about Flynn. I recently read a profile about him, (I can't remember where, sorry), and there were several quotes from people he had worked with in the Army and at the DIA. One comment was that when he was fired from the DIA, something changed in him. He seems to have been desperately trying to make some big money.

Also, I believe you're right about the revenge motivation. He appears a very angry person.

[Alice11111]

66. I think the Russians hae Manaford by the ⚽️🏀and

He has to cooperate. There is much worse stuff there, plus his family, etc. No one would be dumb enuf to do that when he has put up much of his KNOWN assets and he knows he is being watched. He owes them big time, and they are calling it in before he goes down, IMO.


Of course, I could be wrong. I do hope he is taken out big time, regardless!!

[Laxman]

4. I Am Convinced.....

well, "convinced" may be too strong, but I strongly suspect that 666 Fifth Avenue is a money laundering scheme by Kushner. This project was doomed from the start. To the extent that any savvy real estate person would have understood it was destined to fail. But Jared went ahead anyway. This deal just smells fishy.

Kushner redevelopment plan for 666 Fifth Ave. deemed ‘not feasible’ by partner

Jared Kushner’s $7.5 billion plan to transform a Manhattan skyscraper into a mix of high-end residences and retail has been deemed “not feasible” by the project’s partner, putting the future of the property — saddled with $1.2 billion in debt — in doubt.

Steven Roth, chief executive and chairman of office giant Vornado Realty Trust, owns 49.5 percent of the offices at 666 Fifth Ave. and said Tuesday that it did not appear that redevelopment plans, hatched by Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, before he left the company in January to become a senior White House adviser, were likely to succeed.

“There have been rumors in the marketplace, more than rumors, about tearing the building down and doing all manner of fairly grand development schemes,” Roth said. “It’s likely that those are not feasible.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushner-redevelopment-plan-for-666-5th-ave-deemed-not-feasible-by-partner/2017/10/31/1214de9a-be54-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.ae9a9a40172f

[Angry Dragon]

6. perhaps Jared is just a very stupid business boy

[erronis]

14. Smarter or dumber than his FIL?

It's really hard to measure IQ when all you have are posturing chicken-shits. They can't read or follow instructions.

[babylonsister]

43. It appears he thinks he's untouchable, so

let the games begin!!

[MGKrebs]

5. What do you mean by this:

"The Senate Intel Republicans blocking Deutsch financials on Trump today"

I am curious about that but I can't find any stories that look like that.

[Angry Dragon]

7. saw post about it today on DU.......do a DU search

[Nitram]

10. What does "blocking Deutsche financials on Trump" mean?

Preventing Mueller from seeing the financials? Preventing the bank from giving Mueller the financials?

[Angry Dragon]

13. congess is stopping itself from investigating Deusche Bank

has nothing to do with Mueller

[getagrip_already]

17. it means the intel committee won't share with..

other senate committees. It's why kushner has to come back a second time to answer similar questions. He already answered them to intel, but intel isn't sharing so the other committees have to ask again.

no doubt, he perjured himself, but without release, it can't be shown.

[Angry Dragon]

26. here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029929057

[MGKrebs]

46. Thank you. That is interesting.

[erronis]

15. Nice response but not very helpful

Yes, I agree we should all go to the search functions. DU, google, RT, etc. But then we might not be seeing the same material that you did.

Wouldn't it be nice to just list one or two links and a comment instead?

[Angry Dragon]

19. I read it on DU today..........if I had a link I would have posted it

I even went looking for it................and I did respond to the poster again


You can say sorry

[erronis]

32. Ok, Sorry. Not sure why but I'm always willing to admit responsibility!

I think that is a distinction between the PTB and those that actually have some facts. <humor>

[Angry Dragon]

33. I posted a link.........I found it

[Fred Sanders]

9. No evidence of collusion with Russia claim is more funny by the day because the collusion

is financial more than can be proven political.

Obstruction of justice, Russia or not, AND massive international money laundering for Russians...that should do the impeachment trick.

[getagrip_already]

18. I'd still like to see a sampling of...

sedition, espionage, and conspiracy tossed in. Oh, and a rico suite to include the empire ant it's assets.

[triron]

21. mmm, juicy.

[babylonsister]

44. This gives me great hope!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/lawyers-robert-mueller-hired-for-the-trump-russia-investigation-2017-6/#andrew-goldstein-10


Meet the all-star team of lawyers Robert Mueller has assembled for the Trump-Russia investigation

[neohippie]

20. what are your sources for Ross claim of being fired for money laundering?

I am just curious about your source(s) for the Wilbur Ross claim that he was fired from the Deutsche Bank


I know he was involved with the bank in Cyprus but I've never heard or read anything about him being fired for money laundering or any direct evidence of involvement.

I know he's no angel but tell us what you know that we don"t please

[elehhhhna]

22. Google is your friend

[neohippie]

40. I did a Google search

I found nothing about Wilbur Ross being fired for money laundering

Can anyone cite links?

[better]

53. That's a misunderstanding.

I think what this refers to is Josef Ackermann, who was the head of Deutsche Bank until 2012, being hired in 2014 as Chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, at the recommendation of Wilbur Ross, after Ross became that bank's majority shareholder. The other major shareholder in the Bank of Cyprus was a Russian oligarch.

Rachel, as I think was mentioned, did a fairly long piece that explored a bunch of this back in February, on the day Ross was confirmed as our Secretary of Commerce.

[dumbcat]

58. So, this statement is untrue?

- Wilbur Ross, our Sec of Commerce was fired from Deutsch Bank for money laundering.

Maybe the OP should consider editing, just for accuracy?

[better]

59. To the best of my knowledge, yes the statement is untrue.

Not to be confused with intentionally misleading or fake news, mind you. Just an incorrect recitation of the facts, with the attributes of some key players mixed up. With this much criminality and general sleaziness around, it's an understandable mistake.

[niyad]

24. twists and turns and tentacles everywhere. is there ONE single person connected to

the apricot asshole who is NOT utterly corrupt?

[Wwcd]

29. Appears not. I read earlier that Mueller was approaching his case against Trump as a RICO case

This takes down the family, the co-conspirators around the world & seizes property

Mueller aimes to destroy the whole Trump Org. Forever.

[Angry Dragon]

34. take all the hotels, golf courses, planes, helicopters, vineyard, drag his name through the mud

I hope I did not forget anything

[Wwcd]

36. Lol. No one will ever want to touch the Trump brand.

Imagine the big deep hole in the ground where Trump once stood, when Mueller is finished & the dust clears.

[bagelsforbreakfast]

38. If only Robert Ludlum were still with us. Nm

[niyad]

64. and may he be completely successful.

[ancianita]

28. The IRS investigation team already knows the laundering routes/banks, and will now get names.

From every account point on those routes.

The claims of collusion might not be solid yet, but then some act might have broken the Logan Act. We'll see. In the meantime...

There are so many laundering laws, corrupt practices acts and emoluments counts that this can't do anything but lead to multiple indictments against Trump. The courts won't dare throw them all out because of the legal team's case building awesomeness.

The Trump laundering charges will be solid, obstruction of justice charges solid, and everyone taking Russian money through ANY channels will go down along with Trump.

[Wwcd]

31. Well stated. That's it

[SergeStorms]

47. Every Republican SOB that took Russian money.....

and I believe there are MANY of them, should be prosecuted as well. Ryan, McConnell, Rohrabacher.....the entire rogue's gallery of traitors.

Go get 'em, Mueller!

[ancianita]

61. Especially Rohrabacher, and all the Repubs who called the investigation a witch hunt & hoax.

I want the dark money revealed, particularly. I want to see Koch money commingled with ANYthing Russian.

Kill this snake from the head -- the Kochs.

Let's get this kleptocracy, even if it's only at the rate of one billionaire at a time.

[lindysalsagal]

54. There's also a law prohibiting business dealings with known

Criminals, and that applies to citizens: it's not even about office-holders. You just can't do business with known criminals.

[leanforward]

30. Finally,

Love this thread. Thanks everyone for the factual education and opinion windage.

I've thought all along his friendliness with the russians had to do with his business dealings. Especially when I became aware of his bankruptcies and his friendly trips to russia during the 80s.

I feel for the family and close friends who escape conviction.

Let me end with, Supermax for all, noting like mountain air. Probably end up in Butler, NC.

[FailureToCommunicate]

42. If only if only. Trump the skunk would have some familiar skunks to walk with...

[SergeStorms]

48. Guantanamo.

If these assclowns aren't enemies of the state, no one is!

[homegirl]

45. Girl Power!

I've got a feeling Merkel is making them give up the good stuff.

Keep in mind this bank paid almost a billion in fines for money laundering.

Let’s see what they find.

It’s not going to be good for Trump.

[oasis]

50. Drip, drip, drip.

[burrowowl]

52. May they get them all!

[nolabels]

55. The secret is to never eff around with someone who already knows where the bodies are buried

If it were not soo serious, it could be a comedy

[PatrickforO]

57. As a friend used to say, "From your mouth to God's ear."

The problem is we've been hearing and hearing and hearing new revelations and nothing has been done. The big capitalist parasites are holding up their Republican shills just long enough to arrange yet another massive transfer of wealth through this giant tax scam package.

Our system has become so corrupt, it is hard to summon up any kind of belief that justice will, in the end, prevail. Oh, it may in a karmic sense, but here? Now? For us everyday Americans?

Maybe not so much.

I'm sorry to say this, because like you, I hope every one of these disgusting, corrupt, uncaring, unempathetic, sociopathic Republicans gets hauled up on RICO charges. I hope their whole unholy party collapses of its own rottenness.

But there's a lot of big capitalist parasites behind them, and lots of money.

[yallerdawg]

62. The Dotard tried not to get elected.

Then his hubris kicked in.

He's probably always had a resignation scenario planned for when that financial "red line" was crossed!

[annabanana]

63. I just faxed the whole stinkin' lot of them

Risch, Rubio, Collins, Blunt, Lankford, Cotton, Cornyn and Burr.

It said this:

The Senate Intel Republicans blocking Deutsch financials on Trump, is telling.

They are sworn to protect the big bomb that completes a RICO charge, (Mueller's already got that) , and their refusal now equals Obstruction on their part.

RELEASE THOSE FINANCIALS!!!

[dlk]

65. Why Isn't Wilbur Ross in Jail? Isn't Money Laundering a Crime?

[R B Garr]

67. K&R!