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If this shit I'm reading here regarding Franken is correct (Original Post) kacekwl Dec 2017 OP
Is it possible they have more info than we do? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #1
Why not let the investigation play out? lunamagica Dec 2017 #3
Why not exactly. kacekwl Dec 2017 #9
That is what I wanted, but he resigned instead. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #11
He hasn't resigned yet. He asked for the investigation. And he is bring pressured lunamagica Dec 2017 #13
I would think if an investigation clears him, they would want one. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #14
It should happen regardless. Pressuring him to step down without an investigation lunamagica Dec 2017 #15
If they have more information, then they should inform us. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #16
No he didn't. RandomAccess Dec 2017 #20
True. We are jumping the gun. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #24
NO you jumped the gun ChubbyStar Dec 2017 #31
It is a weak, milktoast plan FarPoint Dec 2017 #6
That's been my theory too--and it's PATENTLY ridiculous.... Bengus81 Dec 2017 #17
If they actually believe that, Jared Kushner's got a building at 666 5th Avenue Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2017 #27
I will call bullshit on that. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #7
Then it's a bad play to leave it there lame54 Dec 2017 #36
I agree, it has been handled badly. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #41
I'm done fighting too... FarPoint Dec 2017 #2
I think they know he will resign Renew Deal Dec 2017 #4
Franken is a threat to Schumer and his leadership. Wellstone ruled Dec 2017 #5
Yeah, that GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #22
He grabbed a woman's waist! Where is the Taliban when you need 'em! spotthebird Dec 2017 #32
Those women he didnt kiss? Nevernose Dec 2017 #40
Senator Gillibrand groped and kissed me Nevernose Dec 2017 #8
+1 nt lostnfound Dec 2017 #39
They want their tax cuts. nt RandiFan1290 Dec 2017 #10
Sadly I am beginning to believe this is exactly it Egnever Dec 2017 #35
I just unsubscribed from the DNC GentryDixon Dec 2017 #12
+100000 Bengus81 Dec 2017 #19
I want to do that too.. FarPoint Dec 2017 #28
It's at the bottom of the email I got about Doug Jones poll. GentryDixon Dec 2017 #29
Okay... FarPoint Dec 2017 #34
Well said!! Agree n/t RiverStone Dec 2017 #37
I'm not far behind you, I see no way forward Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2017 #18
Tut, tut. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2017 #21
If he resigns, he needs to tell us why. Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #23
More than half of senate democrats are calling on him to resign. LisaL Dec 2017 #25
So you think he is being railroaded, and this is not his decision? Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #26
Sen Franken should have publicly supported "UBI". CK_John Dec 2017 #30
I think they are afraid. Puzzledtraveller Dec 2017 #33
I'm blown away by all of this Alea Dec 2017 #38
We have rationalized anti-choice votes and stances by Dems before... Orsino Dec 2017 #42

Irish_Dem

(46,926 posts)
1. Is it possible they have more info than we do?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:44 PM
Dec 2017

Something is going on behind the scenes, that much we know.

Irish_Dem

(46,926 posts)
11. That is what I wanted, but he resigned instead.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:55 PM
Dec 2017

And made apologies. So he is on a different page then most of us.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
13. He hasn't resigned yet. He asked for the investigation. And he is bring pressured
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:58 PM
Dec 2017

by our side ro resign. Why don't they want the investigation to proceed?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
15. It should happen regardless. Pressuring him to step down without an investigation
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:04 PM
Dec 2017

sets a bad, dangerous precedent.

FarPoint

(12,344 posts)
6. It is a weak, milktoast plan
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

Think that if they clean house, GOP will also follow path...Democrats can say...see, we did it...If they don't, then this will be a campaign confrontation issue to gain 2018 control....I find it a weak hand and a blind roll of the dice.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
17. That's been my theory too--and it's PATENTLY ridiculous....
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:12 PM
Dec 2017

If they are so STUPID as to think that if Franken steps down the CONS will demand that Moore halts his campaign then they are as stupid as they look.

Bannon and O'keefe are laughing their ASSESS off on how easy this operation was.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
7. I will call bullshit on that.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:48 PM
Dec 2017

"I know something you don't know" is a child's taunt.

And I realize you're not claiming to know something, but suggesting the Senators forcing Franken out really do know something they're keeping quiet strikes me as highly improbable.

FarPoint

(12,344 posts)
2. I'm done fighting too...
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:45 PM
Dec 2017

The relationship between Congressional Democrats and their grassroots backbone supporters has hit the wall.. ....over...I am done...Yea..done

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
4. I think they know he will resign
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:46 PM
Dec 2017

So today is everyone's chance to call for his resignation. It's staged

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. Franken is a threat to Schumer and his leadership.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:46 PM
Dec 2017

The Progressives have touted Al as Presidential Timber. Secondly,there is a faction that hates Al from his Air America Days.

spotthebird

(171 posts)
32. He grabbed a woman's waist! Where is the Taliban when you need 'em!
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:46 PM
Dec 2017

Where is the actual evidence of credibility of the claims.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
40. Those women he didnt kiss?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 10:12 PM
Dec 2017

Those women he didn’t kiss? Don’t forget the “he didn’t kiss me but he wanted to” sexual harassment. He’s been accused of NOT kissing someone. Twice. When coupled with the “he put his hand around my waist when we took a picture” assault.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
8. Senator Gillibrand groped and kissed me
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:49 PM
Dec 2017

She didn’t actually kiss me, but I could tell she wanted to. And when we shook hands that time, she squeezed, which is clearly groping (according to The Atlantic).

She should step down.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
35. Sadly I am beginning to believe this is exactly it
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:27 PM
Dec 2017

They put on a show of fighting against it one day in the senate and turned right back to talking about peepees.

The week this bill is going to be rammed through this is their focus?

Seriously?

GentryDixon

(2,949 posts)
12. I just unsubscribed from the DNC
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:56 PM
Dec 2017

and told them the same thing. These weak kneed Dems need to learn to fight for our party instead of giving in to the right wing media machine.

Let the Ethics Committee finish their investigation. I'm too old for this shit, but feel like I need to speak up. And I am a female who worked in an environment of male dominance. Let the true facts out. Don't throw our members overboard until we know the true facts. What Sen Franken has admitted to seems nothing other than comedic horseplay. Let's find out from the "anonymous" women when discovery comes about. If it proves out, then it will time for the Senator to go.



GentryDixon

(2,949 posts)
29. It's at the bottom of the email I got about Doug Jones poll.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:28 PM
Dec 2017

I have sent money to Doug Jones through his website. I have not supported Dem candidates through the DNC since Debbie Wasserman-Schultz leadership. That way I choose who my support goes to.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
18. I'm not far behind you, I see no way forward
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:14 PM
Dec 2017

I give up. I have donated my last dollar, I have worked on my last campaign.

Our leadership in the house and senate is bankrupt, our presidential stable is full of people with little prospect of performing better electorally than Clinton did in 2016 and our only manifest strategy is waiting for the Republicans to self-destruct.

It's going to take a generation to recover from the rout that is coming.

Irish_Dem

(46,926 posts)
23. If he resigns, he needs to tell us why.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:38 PM
Dec 2017

Was he railroaded into it, or does he have personal reasons for resigning.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
25. More than half of senate democrats are calling on him to resign.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:39 PM
Dec 2017

So that makes it really hard to figure out why he would resign.
I mean, I just can't understand why he would resign when his own party is demanding he does so.

Irish_Dem

(46,926 posts)
26. So you think he is being railroaded, and this is not his decision?
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:41 PM
Dec 2017

I don't know the answer to that question.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
33. I think they are afraid.
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:14 PM
Dec 2017

Appeasing some middle ground they think will love them for it. Pelosi just this afternoon in response to the impeachment brought to a vote by house Democrats says now is not the time. So you see, now is never the time to make a stand, not against Trump, and not in support of Franken.

Alea

(706 posts)
38. I'm blown away by all of this
Wed Dec 6, 2017, 09:44 PM
Dec 2017

My hope, it happening now might be better than right before the 2018 Elections. I don't know though. I don't know anything anymore. Maybe I never did : (

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
42. We have rationalized anti-choice votes and stances by Dems before...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:50 AM
Dec 2017

...and have always expected women on our side to fall in line with the party. Always by sacrificing their human dignity and rights. Always, always, always.

Let's not do that anymore, I say. Let's sacrifice political advantage to try to do right.

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