The Franken matter is a classic example of why Democrats lose and lose and lose and lose and lose...

[LBM20]

Trump brags on tape about "grabbing pussy" and gets elected. 20 or so accusers on record. All is forgotten. No calls to resign. No calls for investigations. Roy Moore is a child rapist, and he may very well get elected. He is endorsed, and they stand by him. And it goes on and on. But Franken, accused by shady Republican Trump supporters obviously on a hitjob mission and who are obviously making BULLSHIT claims from MANY years ago over photo ops WITH PEOPLE RIGHT THERE, and the Dems line up to execute one of their own without an investigation and with SHIT evidence. Guilty until proven innocent and hellbent on being ultra-politically correct. It is political SUICIDE. And they keep committing it. No backbone. Sheer and absolute WEAKNESS. Period!

The Dems, MY OWN PARTY, are simply hellbent on proving how SPINELESS they are at every god damned turn! It just SICKENING! Enough to make me want to VOMIT.

[DesertFlower]

1. we're too nice. van jones was on the late show last night.

when asked why we lost to trump he said "we were still in the warm bubble bath of obama".

[LBM20]

2. No one admires spineless weakness. They admire STRENGTH and CLARITY. And that is why Dems LOSE.

[ZX86]

5. But our leadership raises lots of money!

Lots and lots of money! I've been told over and over this what matters most.

[awesomerwb1]

61. He would know.

Isn't he the guy who cried and said Dump became the president after doing a decent job of reading a speech? Yeah, this guy's legit.

[yardwork]

3. I can't disagree with this. I'm so discouraged.

[LBM20]

4. If this hitjob forces Franken out, all these scumbags will do is do it again because it WORKS.

Dems just shot themselves in the head, again.

[Va Lefty]

6. Very depressing. We always bring a knife to a gunfight

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

9. The hell we do

We bring a blindfold and a single cigarette

[Va Lefty]

12. I stand corrected. You are correct sir

[Pachamama]

43. We bring a knife to a gunfight - and then stab it in the backside of our own

[Willie Pep]

7. It demoralizes potential voters.

By playing the nice cop all the time it makes people think there is no difference between the parties except that one is strong and the other is weak. If you are a potential voter who has not made up their mind between the parties, wouldn't you rather vote for the strong one and not the weak one?

For other people they become demoralized and stay home and say "they are all scumbags, why bother voting." Nonvoters are more likely to fit the Democratic voter profile (non-white, less affluent, etc.) so this cynicism hurts us way more than the Republicans who can always count on their hardcore voters coming out for them no matter who they run, as Trump proved.

[VMA131Marine]

8. The only person to blame for this is Al Franken himself

At this point, there aren't just a few wisps of smoke but thick clouds giving strong evidence of a raging fire. The longer this drags on, who knows how many more women speak out about inappropriate behaviour on Franken`s part. This may be part dirty politics as well but it's still an unforced error. I`m as sorry as anybody that Franken has to step down; I'm also really disappointed in him for letting us down. I`ll remind you that Obama got through 8 years as POTUS without a hint of scandal. We should expect no less from our other Democratic representatives.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

10. This is only a scandal because we're pretending it is

Find me a woman who says he crudely propositioned her in character as Stuart Smalley as we can talk.

[LBM20]

14. These are BULLSHIT claims by Republicans from MANY YEARS AGO before he was ever in the Senate.

Enough of the jelly spined bullshit. Democrats are being SPINELESS yet again and handing the scumbag RePUKElicans another massive victory on a silver platter, teaching them that their BULLSHIT HITJOBS work. Thanks for being part of their firing squad. These claims are SHEER AND UTTER BULLSHIT!

[VMA131Marine]

37. They weren't that many years ago and quite frankly it's irrelevant

for one thing we do not know if there any other women out there with more recent experiences.

For another thing, we've blasted the Republicans for trying to pull the "many years ago" thing with both Trump and Moore. Certainly Moore's offences that we know about (and I would call some of them criminal even contemporaneously, which I would not do with Franken's) were at least 25 years ago.

[LBM20]

45. These claims are WEAK as wet noodles aka SHEER BULLSHIT HITJOBS.Moore is a very DIFFERENT situation.

The point about many years ago in THIS case is these are WEAK WEAK WEAK claims about things that ALLEGEDLY happened so long ago and now being DRUDGED UP AS HIT JOBS TO GO AFTER FRANKEN TO TAKE THE HEAT OFF MOORE AND TRUMP. They are nowhere near to the degree of child rape or attempted rape like Moore or even what Trump did. SHAME to you for comparing the two.

Why aren't you out there railing for Trump to resign or for Moore to get out that race? These Dem senators are making a POLITICAL calculation and EATING THEIR OWN, and it will BACKFIRE BIGTIME because now the R attack machine knows it WORKS, they will NOT be held to the same standards, and Dems have proven once again they would rather destroy themselves than stand and fight. What they should do is have an investigation and at most censure Franken. But going after him to resign over scant and WEAK BULLSHIT "evidence" flies in the face of due process, knowing there are DEGREES of things, and holding the other side just as accountable. They fell for the RIGHT WING TRAP YET AGAIN. This is BULLSHIT!

My god, "In a photo op he squeezed my waist flesh." Do you think THAT is "groping."????? Anyone who does needs a brain transplant.

This is a BULLSHIT. It is a hitjob, and you are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. Goody goody for you. Join the circular firing squad. Have fun.

[liberal_patriot_md]

18. Without a hint of scandal?

Are you serious? Maybe not in our eyes, but Republicans think he was the most corrupt president ever.

Here’s a short rundown of a few highlights.
Fast and Furious. IRS/Lois Lerner. Solyndra. Birthers. Benghazi. Crisis at VA. Obamacare website. Uranium One.

Now we know these are all BS. While there are some areas of concern in some of these “scandals” the malfeasance of Obama doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Much like the unfounded allegations against Franken.

The difference is that Democrats by and large didn’t abandon Obama during these events.

[kacekwl]

27. Except during elections where candidates

pretended not to know Obama. Because he was so hated by everyone right ? If Rush and Hannity hate him they must correct so must move to the right to win. Worked well I see.

[liberal_patriot_md]

34. Of course.

Which is why we lost the House and Senate.

[spooky3]

29. Good points.

[VMA131Marine]

38. As in not one Obama Admin official faced dismissal due to

an ethics violation or criminal investigation*

*Except for Mike Flynn whom the Obama admin fired before he was forced to resign by Trump

[liberal_patriot_md]

40. Have you forgotten

The firing of Shirley Sherrod?

Condemned in the media on flimsy evidence. The WH and NAACP turned against her and she was fired. Later it was found that the accusations were totally BS. She was offered a new position and she turned it down.

[uponit7771]

52. +1

[lapfog_1]

54. What, exactly, has been proven that SO disgusts you that Franken has to resign?

What has he admitted to...

And what might just be a "hitjob" by the likes of the dirty trickster ratfucking repukes that now run the country?

Remember that just a week ago Project Veritas was trying to plant a phony Moore accuser into WaPo so as to discredit the entire story about this child molester. What makes you think they wouldn't ALSO dredge up just enough "fake stories" about Franken so that we kill one of our own in our rush to be morally pure?

[Demsrule86]

56. That is untrue...Tweeden works for a Hannity pal and is a birther...the second person

claimed that while her husband took a photo...she was groped...baloney. And the other 'five' are anonymous...the GOP fingerprints are all over this...and you watch, we won't have a Senator until after the tax vote...maybe 2020. Our leaders failed us.

[Initech]

11. I'm honestly about ready to give up at this point. Fuck.

[zentrum]

13. And lose and lose.

Hope Al stays and fights this.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. How many of the 29 Democratic Senators against Franken are on record calling on Moore to quit?

Not many, I bet.

[Bettie]

35. I'd venture to guess that the number is

zero.

[Pachamama]

44. Or on Trump?

[CrispyQ]

59. The dems take is that the GOP needs to clean their own house; we clean ours. -nt

[IronLionZion]

16. If this works for them, the GOP is going to keep doing it to other Dems

they know how easy it is to bait our side and will find some BS excuse to quickly take down more of our influential fighters, especially the women. You'll see. Sexual harassment seems to be issue this year, but they will pounce on whatever looks like it may work.

We'll see our white female senators turn out to be secretly abusing young latino boys or something even more crazy than pizzagate. They'll find a way to whip up division between our many diverse types of liberals.

[liberal_patriot_md]

22. They will and well lose.

Because Democrats don’t know how to control the message the way Republicans do.

If they had closed ranks and implemented message discipline that this contact was inadvertent and happens to lots of people during these meet and greet photo events. Boom end of story.

They should have kept their mouths shut on Moore’s behavior. Let the media talk and let Republicans have to defend. Defer all questions to GOP leaders. Not make it a political issue. Remind folks of all the other reasons to not vote for Moore.

But Democrats struggle with messaging.

[IronLionZion]

23. I still can't believe they elected a sexual assaulter by excusing "locker room talk"

that anyone who has ever been in a real locker room knows is not normal.

And they are trying to normalize child predatory behavior of a creepy dude who was banned from shopping malls for harassing underage girls

Meanwhile people on our side are going to be extra careful to have no touching of any type during photos going forward.

It's infuriating.

[liberal_patriot_md]

28. The thing thats worse with Moore

Is that his own words are creepy enough without anyone else’s help.

- he regularly dated teens (mostly over age of consent) when he was in his 30s
- he asked the mothers permission before he asked the girls out
- he first noticed his future wife during a dance recital when she was a teenager, remembered her years later when they met again
- started dating his wife while she was still married

That’s just the stuff I know he’s talked about himself. Never mind the accusers.

[Dawson Leery]

25. Senators from states with GOP Governors will be targeted.

[NewEnglandAutumn]

17. I Would Love

to see/hear Franken announce that he will resign his seat as soon as tRump does. Particularly if he points out the hypocrisy and strategy of the GOP.

[tavernier]

19. I agree.

Rachel’s guest, Senator from Hawaii (forgive me, I forgot her name), did NOT give a convincing argument as to why she and her colleagues are urging him to resign. Basically she sited the word of five ppl, some of whom, IMO, are not being truthful. Accuser number one was very obviously a willing participant in a rowdy USO show, even instigating bumping and grinding with other entertainers during the performance, but later singling out Franken as a sexual predator.

Several others wish to fling accusations under the veil of anonymity.

[chimpymustgo]

49. This is a sickening, demoralizing, and stupid move by the Dems. Sen Hirono was not convincing at all

And Rachel seemed unable to push her toward explaining this better.

Sigh. The Washington Generals.

[kimbutgar]

21. Vitter, Stanford, Joe Bartons nude texts the rethugs get off

This is such a coordinated right wing smear. Check the bank accounts of those accusers.

[Pepsidog]

24. My thoughts exactly

[Lucky Luciano]

26. SHIT like this is why Im an independent (who votes dem and Bernie). nt

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[brooklynite]

33. So, we should listen to anything you have to say on how the Party should proceed?

Good to know.

[Lucky Luciano]

41. Yes your highness

Run along now...I’m sure you will have a chance to brag about your money or namedrop soon. Don’t miss the chance!

[MindPilot]

58. Because the Dems have done so well on their own?

Still keeping that powder dry I see.

[wisteria]

30. Totally agree

[hvn_nbr_2]

31. If Franken does resign, he should make the effective date and time one minute...

If Franken does resign, he should make the effective date and time "one minute after the effective date and time of Donald Trump's resignation as president."

Show a little fight and non-acceptance of IOKIYAR.

[Docreed2003]

32. Oh Dems are always quick to find a backbone...

When it comes to attacking other Dems!

[JHB]

42. What else are we going to do with all that dry powder...

Gotta use it somewhere, and gosh, it just wouldn’t be pragmatic to point it at that Lord of the Flies Party off to the right.

[peequod]

36. Ive never seen DU this solidly riled up

I hope to hell these Dem Senators and Tom Perez get the hint as to how deeply unpopular this attempted ouster is to us, the rank and file. I’ve tweeted at and e-mailed a few of them. We need to blow up their in-boxes, social media.

[lunasun]

39. I have heard this while being out tonight four different times. Two of the people are

men who are not very political , and one I know doesn't vote. The fourth was a women disgusted with what the party is asking for. This move by dems perhaps doesn't sit well with many types of people I talked to tonight ( no Rs) and losing , losers , this is why dems lose etc was the theme in all.

Yes it was just some different (no conservatives) people I ran into over the course of the night and it came up in a few conversations and means nothing I know but looks like suicide from the little glimpse of what I'm seeing out here.

[disillusioned73]

46. I've said it before..

[Bengus81]

47. KICK!!!!

The first to come forward against Franken yet this is right off Tweeden's My Space page. NO PROBLEM with these guys "being silly". Franken,nah...he needs to resign.

[dalton99a]

48. "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome senator?"

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.
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and 35 Democratic senators raised their hands in unison

WTF

[ProfessorPlum]

50. I would post something like this

except I would be alerted for it.

My party shows weakness in the face of evil again, and again, and again, and again.

[RKP5637]

51. Democrats, as usual, are their own worst enemy! n/t

[Irish_Dem]

53. Doing the right thing is never the wrong move. nt

[PatrickforO]

55. Indeed. I just got off the phone from calls to Senators

Gillibrand and Harris, and told them both they could forget about any donations from me or support from me should either run for president in 2020 unless they recant their positions and begin vocally supporting Franken.

Note: Kamala Harris didn't have staff answering her phones - I left a message. Kirsten Gillibrand's DC number just disconnected me several times after one ring. So I called one of her offices in New York and had a nice talk with a staffer there.

I suspect those Dems who have called for Franken to resign have been getting some major backlash from people like me. And, if they keep it up, they won't be getting any donations or other support from me. Because calling on Franken to resign at this juncture is spineless, stupid and very bad politics.

[democratisphere]

57. Overbearing self-righteousness is self-defeating.

[ollie10]

60. Does anyone actually believe that railroading Franken is going to HELP the Democratic Party?

Is it going to show the voters we are on high ground?

Bunk!

Voters will simply remember the Democratic Senator had to resign in disgrace because of (alleged) sexual misconduct....and they will leave out the alleged in their minds!

Now if we fought the good fight, showed how Franken had not really done anything rising even remotely to the level of sexual abuse.....then some would agree and others would disagree....but we at least would look like we believed he was innocent and were standing up for something.

By throwing in the towel we just make ourselves look more guilty.

We delude ourselves if we think failure to stand up against a set up is going to help us in any way. It is not. It is going to hurt us.

So we will continue down the path of a groper who is president (the high road really worked, didn't it?), Moore will be elected anyway and everyone will forget about his child molesting, while the voting public will learn from all this that the Democrats are the ones with sexual harrassment problems, look who had to resign!!!!

Franken should not resign, because there is not any credible evidence here. But forcing him to resign will make him look more guilty, and it will make the Democratic Party look more guilty....and the brainiacs leading this lynch mob don't have a clue about the political effects of their cowardess!