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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:44 AM Dec 2017

Is Al Franken the price we pay for not being evil?

For me, after all the revelations, I think it's pretty clear that most of the accusers are telling the truth. This is my opinion, and I'm sure some people disagree. When it was just one right-winger that was part of a comedy sketch, there was justified reason for skepticism, but IMO now there isn't. And what he did was bad.

Of course, it doesn't compare to what Roy Moore did, or Trump for that matter. And neither Trump nor Roy Moore are going to resign.

But that's because the GOP are evil. They don't care about sexual assault. If it were up to the GOP, there would be no such thing as sexual harassment. To the GOP, women are decorations, not people.

Should Franken resign? It's not an open-and-shut case to me. The unfortunate thing is that in his political career, Franken has been a strong advocate for issues that affect women. So not having him in the senate would, arguably, lead to more incidents of sexual harassment and assault going unpunished. That's the "end justifies the means" argument.

Still, what he did was unacceptable, and it happens all too often, and this is a time where there is a chance to change that. It's not OK what he did simply because he's an otherwise good person. So in the end, as much as it pains me, I think, yes, he should resign. Yeah, it's a double standard, Republicans get to be evil because they are evil. That's just how it is.

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Kablooie

(18,623 posts)
1. If Franken is forced to resign before an investigation, we are evil.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:49 AM
Dec 2017

To jump to conclusions and act out of emotion can be evil itself.
It's why we have a legal system.
The fact that sexual harassment isn't illegal doesn't mean decisions should be made from raw emotion.

Zoonart

(11,844 posts)
3. NO...
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:53 AM
Dec 2017

Franken is the price we pay for being stupid. We are allowing the right to weaponize our outrage.
The Democratic party should be proving that we are not evil by preserving our numbers to fight against evil in the senate and in the. house where. it matters to the lives of thousands of women, and not by courting the whim of the mob.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
4. Franken is just an early invoice.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 10:54 AM
Dec 2017

We will be paying for a long, long time for keeping women as second-class citizens. At least I hope so, whether or not Franken can somehow be exonerated.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
5. No, but Al Franken may be the price we pay for not being Perfect.
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:04 AM
Dec 2017

What do you propose to do about all the GOP evil? They have an enormous media system to cover for all their sins, and nowadays with social media layered on top of Faux and talk radio.

Senator Franken has worked hard for all of us and I believe he deserves due process with this matter. I hope he stays on and insists on a congressional hearing. That would set a good moral and just example to American citizens and all the CongressCritters.


BootinUp

(47,136 posts)
6. People are just way to quick to convict for me. I actually don't see a definite pattern
Thu Dec 7, 2017, 11:10 AM
Dec 2017

of credible allegations. And I don't think this trial by media is right way to proceed.

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