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[rzemanfl]

1. K&R. n/t

[scarletwoman]

2. Thank you. nt

[solara]

3. I hear you

and I feel the same damn way

Thank you

[Blue_true]

4. Nonsense.

A party that can not stand behind it's principles, even when doing so hurts, does not deserve to exist. I am proud of my party leaders, they walked the talk when it mattered. That will pay off for us big.

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. Really wish I had a pair of those rose colored glasses right about now.

I don't think this is the death of the party or anything, but I can't see how it's going to pay off in meaningful dividends.

[scarletwoman]

7. There were no fucking "principles" at work here, just perceived political expediency.

And it's going to backfire big time - just watch.

[RandomAccess]

122. THIS

Pandering to the women's vote (or what they THOUGHT was the women's vote, actually).

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029941416

[Ferrets are Cool]

8. This honestly made me LOL

Thank you for the humor, however much it was unintended.

[Blue_true]

11. Whatever.

Standing by principles often seem funny to other people. But over my life I have seen that having principles and adhering to them have served me well. Expedience is the domain of scoundrels and cowards and I don't want to ever be there.

[kcr]

24. Then you had some blind spots today, because that's exactly what happened.

There was no reason they couldn't wait for the ethics investigation. No principles that call for that. That's pure political expediency, right there.

And I'm laughing, too, and not in a funny ha ha way. It's going to suck mighty hard when the next rat fuck comes and they have to throw another one under the bus. Big pay offs coming alright!

[Ligyron]

28. Exactly - he didn't even defend himself.

That will make him guilty in the eyes of the public. Of course, they really didn't give him much of a chance.

[PdxSean]

84. Franken was wearing rose colored glasses.

He trusted that at least his Democratic colleagues would wait for an investigation before casting their stones. He was wrong.

[hurple]

72. I predict

The next allegations for another dem senator next week.

And they'll be anonymous, of course, now that that's proven to work.

[BigMin28]

95. Repubs

Yell boo! And the Democratic leadership folds. The thugs won. They know it. More is definitely coming. It was so easy and worked beyond their wildest dreams.

[spooky3]

108. A principled stance would have been to let the investigation play out

even if it meant that there were some political fallout.

[lostnfound]

13. Hahaha. When it mattered to friends of Donald Trump Jr coached by Roger Stone. No thank you. Nt

[Bettie]

14. It never has paid off for us in the past

what magical thing has happened to make it do so now?

All I see is more Dems pilloried and driven from office....you know, the ones who won't just sit down and shut up.

[hurple]

17. I expect the next accusation

against another Dem early next week.

And, it'll be anonymous, of course, since they just proved that will work.

[Bettie]

19. And, in order to keep their moral high ground

they will double down and demand an immediate resignation.

[Blue_true]

20. The 43% that did not vote?

A lot of those people are highly principled and want to see office holders taking responsibility and setting standard of conduct that they live by. All we need is for 8-10% of those people to look toward our party as trustworthy and we dominate politics for the next half century if not longer. A lot of the Obama coalition were big idealists, some of those people sat out 2016.

[atreides1]

45. Principles, huh?

And when are we going to see those principles in action against the man who admitted to sexually assaulting women, but still went on to win the White House? Are we going to see those principles if Moore takes his seat in the US Senate, or is Senator Gillibrand going to welcome him, along with the rest that called for Franken to resign?

I'm going to keep an eye on Gilibrand and the rest of the lynch mob, to see how long they maintain their principles, if Moore wins!

Principles:
a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning


If they begin to associate with Moore, then their principles are only for the sake of convenience and political postuirng!!!

[denvine]

67. Sorry, it's come down to money, not principles

That has been shoved in our faces for the last several elections. Franken was not given a chance to defend himself against anonymous accusers. The GOP just keeps finding our principled spots and shoots us right between the eye with it. Republicans know how to play us like a violin and we keep giving them them the bow! This is an all out war for our country and we can't afford to give up one of our finest over anonymous allegations.

[treestar]

98. they did not turn out to oppose the Orange Pussy Grabber

So that proves they just don't care.

[LakeArenal]

27. Nope

[hadEnuf]

33. That's a great notion when people are playing by the rules.

[bitterross]

49. This is not a Lifetime movie.

This country will not come to a nice, pretty ending where the bad guys get theirs and the good guys prevail because they did the right thing.

Real life does not work like the movies. Bad guys win and nice guys get trampled.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

50. Hear fucking hear! nt

[lancelyons]

52. I agree. It takes alot of courage to take this high road.

Hopefully it shows to the swing voter and undecided, that the Democrats are with the women being harassed. Democrats are doing the right thing even when it hurts.

[SeaDoo77]

97. They Took The Railroad Not The High Road

And our party will pay dearly.

Maybe some folks are afraid of having "the girls" calling all the shots.

Ya think?

[Randomthought]

58. no right to silence me

The party "leaders" took away my voice. No one but Minnesota voters should have a say in who represents them.

[snort]

61. LOL

[NurseJackie]

62. Good grief! There's no big "pay off". Stop saying that!

[Snackshack]

64. Lol

[Nasruddin]

70. Prisoner's Game - wrong move

[charliea]

74. Sorry, that's BS

What principles? Railroading someone out of their job on questionable accusations, some made by anonymous claimants, without an investigation? If they'd given him the ethics investigation he asked for that would be standing for principles. All I see are invertebrates.

BTW I've been a Democratic party member since May 2016 (wanted to vote in my state's primary for Bernie). It's the only time in my life that I've been a member of any party, and it looks like it's time to return to my Independent status. I won't vote for Republicans, but I won't be a member of lynch mob.

Republicans are celebrating the loss of a powerful progressive voice and I don't see anyone clamoring for Congressman Farenthold to resign. He spent more than 3 times as much of our money to settle his harassment claims as Conyers did and he's still there, and all we have from him is he'll pay the money back.

[USALiberal]

77. Wow, are you missing the point. n/t

[BannonsLiver]

85. "That will pay off for us big."

Actually, no it won't. And to argue that reflects a fundamental lack of understanding about our culture.

Voters not affiliated with either party have been conditioned to believe both parties are the same. A couple of misguided, naive fools pursuing the moral high ground won't change what is now a permanent part of our political climate. There is no moral high ground in politics. There never has been. It is a zero sum game.

[secondwind]

87. A voice of reason in the wilderness..

[tazkcmo]

103. The Democratic party lost votes today

Not a winning strategy.

[hadEnuf]

5. A full-scale war is being waged on Dems, Progressives, Liberals, etc. The only thing missing is guns

- for now anyway. The Democratic leadership does not understand this. If they do, then they are either cowards or complicit for some unknown reason. Perhaps they still believe Reagan's statement that "We are all friends again at the end of the day?" That notion is long gone.

Again, the RW is waging a winner takes all, take no prisoners, full-scale war on us. We have no choice but to fight them or we will be run over by them.

This really, really needs to sink in to people's heads.

[hurple]

10. THIS!

Absolutely!

But, I think we just lost the war today.

[scarletwoman]

12. Yes, it's a full-scale war. Too bad we don't seem to have any actual warriors. nt

[bronxiteforever]

36. i sadly and totally agree.

[pandr32]

60. Totally agree

[bench scientist]

113. Exactly this!

And Dems keep bringing a melted spork to fight the Rethugs armed with nukes.

[hurple]

9. absolutely agree

This nation is in it's death throes.

Blofeld won.

[MoonRiver]

15. Perfectly stated!

[scarletwoman]

16. Thank you! nt

[treestar]

18. You can't give up hope

Disappointments will occur. But we have to keep on.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

69. Well that's certainly true... what choice do we have?!

[democratisphere]

75. We are perpetrating our own disappointments.

WTF?

[Kimchijeon]

21. You summed it up perfectly nt

[califootman]

22. I don't necessarily ask that they fight to defend him...

... but could they at least hold off on shooting him until AFTER he has had a hearing?!?!

[Hortensis]

23. We really need a subforum for whiners.

I just went and asked admin for one. Cross fingers!

You know, some people actually do well emotionally under authoritarian regimes. Just think of all the ways in which being weak and cowardly work. The hypocrisy of imagining helpless complaining is a way of speaking out for principle will help anyone slot right in. Whining and complaining as a way of life are, of course, expected by authorities, just have to avoid accidentally being an effective member of a group the authorities don't like, and I think a lot of people have that one nailed already. And of course surrendering in helpless despair because it's all hopeless is an absolute requirement, also nailed by some already.

[The Wizard]

25. Another failure from Democratic leadership.

Al Franken is a smart fearless legislator who makes Republicans cower in fear. Of course they want him gone. It started with a political hack from Pox News and a suggestive photo signifying horseplay. Roger Stone engineered a coordinated and orchestrated assault on Franken so as to weaken him, and by extension, the Democratic Party.
Unfortunately Democrats curl up in the corner the minute any controversy comes up, fearing the Republican media smear machine will say mean things about them. Democrats always want to get out in front of the situation and in so doing sacrifice their best and brightest without a fair hearing, without challenging allegations made by a Nihilist hostile adversary.
Shirley Sherrod and Van Jones come to mind as victims of the Republican jihad against normal people, both wrongfully discharged under a cloud of doubt created by vile cretins dedicated to bring back the bad old days of a two tiered system of lords and serfs.
Wake up Democrats, Republicans will accuse you of killing jobs in health care if you come up with a cancer cure. With a soulless demagogue at the helm, and a propaganda operation the would make Goebbels blush, the Republicans must be confronted at all turns lest we lose our souls along with them.
We're better than this. If we are to survive as a viable alternative to tyranny we must stand for something. Cowering in the corner is no defense against a toxic, well coordinated death cult bent on bringing back the bad times we thought were behind us.
So now they got Al Franken to quit, and Republicans stand almost unanimously with an alleged child molester and a self professed pussy grabber.
We are an ignorant culture that prefers wrong and strong over weak and right. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.

[LakeArenal]

30. Yep!

[Ligyron]

39. Best post all day!

All true.

[scarletwoman]

40. Thank you. Well said.

"If we are to survive as a viable alternative to tyranny..." we need to not fall into the traps set by the Right. When they start crying "Burn the witch" we need to demand solid proof and due process instead of simply joining in.

[mnhtnbb]

89. I wish I could rec your post.

[loyalsister]

26. Actually they did once

This is that defense coming back to haunt us. We should have said a sexual predator does not belong in the oval office the first opportunity we had. We didn't. Instead, a candidate who protected a sexual predator on the national stage ran against one and lost.
We blew it and handed the GOP a what aboutism that would never go away until we have one that discredits them to point to.

[L. Coyote]

29. Did Franken ask anyone to fight or defend his actions? Ask why.

Get a grip on reality, and watch how this impacts the future.

[LakeArenal]

31. He shouldnt have to ask.

[L. Coyote]

34. And, he did not have to resign, but he did.

He has all the information we don't, and that was his decision based on what he knows to be the truth.

Focus!

[LakeArenal]

90. It was a decision because he had lost the support of his colleagues

As his colleagues have now lost any faith I had in them. He also said the allegations are false.

[NCTraveler]

37. +1 nt

[scarletwoman]

59. He expected to submit to due process through the Ethics Committee investigation,

And mount his defense there.

He wasn't given that opportunity. "Ask why" to that.

[kirby]

91. His idea of 'taking the high road'...

was to not discount the accusers in public, but submit to an ethics investigation so they could be heard and the facts determined.

I prefer that 'high road' rather than the pitch-fork mob mentality of resign immediately.

[Rene]

32. I totally agree

[NCTraveler]

35. We have other great fighters.

We are reliant on the concept of cummunity, not individuals propped up as deities. The hyperbole in attacks against the part is impressive.

[eleny]

43. And how many of them could get picked off one by one by the scorched earth policy of Republicans?

Republicans have now embraced Roy Moore. The playing field is strewn with land mines set in place by the opposition while we looked on with our eyes open. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[jalan48]

38. Was Putin responsible for this one too?

[KitSileya]

41. So protecting a guy who sexually harasses women is necessary to win, and we want to win, don't we?

We should throw all our principles out the window, and our most necessary and consistent voter base under the bus, because a guy couldn't help himself from sexually harassing women, and we like what that guy says.

I get it. I get that Franken is more important than standing up against harassers among our own rank. I get that women should just shut up, and live with being forcibly kissed, groped, and laugh when he jokes about it in the form of pictures. We shouldn't care that it is rank rape apologia when it's defending a guy whose politics we like. After all, we should only condemn sexual harassers if they're Republicans, don'tcha know.

And we need to rank it too. Right now, groping and other sexual harassment isn't as bad as raping someone, and raping a woman isn't as bad as raping a child. And if necessary (that is, if another Democratic male politician we like is accused of it), we'll move the hurdle and say that raping a woman isn't as bad as raping a child, so Roy Moore we can safely condemn, but a Democrat? No, never.


I am so fucking disappointed in DU lately. Too many sound like repukes when it comes to their so-called progressive heroes who turns out to have feet of clay.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

51. I was just told that feminists should leave.

SO disappointed.

[Lanius]

53. The problem is Franken was taken down by mostly anonymous accusations

and he wasn't given the due process that the Republicans will give Roy Moore if he's elected. Sure, maybe Franken didn't deserve to remain the Senate, but he deserved to face his accusers and for the ethics investigation to be completed.

[hurple]

78. And

The ones that were not anonymous, when their allegations were examined more closely, their claims withered under the scrutiny. There was no there, there.

[USALiberal]

81. FFS are you missing the whole point. But I assume you do not care. n/t

[treestar]

100. Accused of harassment

Several stories that are anonymous or don't hold up.

[Sam McGee]

42. Amen . . . furthermore . . .

I will likely be banned from DU, but, WTF.

EVERY GODDAM PROGRESSIVE BLOG has the same rule: When the rightwingers start a gunfight, we should respond with a few verses of "Kumbaya."

I can't tell you how many posts of mine have been deleted from DailyKos, DU, and other so-called Democratic or Progressive blogs because I advocated vicious, hard-hitting FACT-BASED attacks on Republicans, Tea Baggers and other scum. Oh, no, you can't do that.

True story. I live in a 70% Republican rural Virginia county. We do not have trash pickup so weekly I load up the household garbage in my F250 pickup and go to the dump site. My truck is festooned with bumper stickers: Vietnam Vet, US Army Retired, Ranger, Airborne, Special Forces, Remington, Weatherby Firearms, Proud Democrat, Clinton-Kaine 2016, and the like. Back before the election an asshole with a Tea Party license plate approached me while I was emptying papers into the recycle bin. "Every goddam one of you Democrats should be shot." I ignored him. He persisted. I then asked him if he was going to do the shooting. "I just may get my pistol and do it." I replied: "Fine. There's a .45 under my front seat. You had best get yours before I get mine." The sonofabitch turned, almost fell down running away. That's the ONLY way to deal with these people. They must be confronted forcefully and with resolve. Slap the shit out of them -- metaphorically, literally if you must.

Ok, DU moderators, ban me.

[Leighbythesea]

65. A though

Agree.
This may be a strange analogy, but hear me out. Ive worked in the fashion industry my whole career. I have an art degree. By most measures i am a peace lover, tree hugger, diplomatic person.

But fashion is a business, with profit and capitalism at its core. The womens categories/ brands are vast majority run by women. You'd think a bunch of women making pretty things for women would be a platform for supportive niceness. Sometimes.

Usually though it's full-on war. And why wouldnt it be? Being a brand means fighting for your survival in the market. The strong go on, the weak get replaced. I came to see the similarities to the world at large. I came to understand fighting for the bottom line ensures survival "for the most".

Isn't that what our party is supposed to be doing? Fighting for the survival of ourselves and those we represent? We are proving nothing by taking this stance. Other than we are an easy target. Weak. And as a side note, women can harass and be inappropriate too. Stating the obvious I know.

[DaDeacon]

71. This guy gets it...

This is why we lose in the red states because they see all the "feel good, smart ass, tweet snark, as bullshit". They think Trump is a hero for pushing twitter trash because they see him taking the fight to us. The bubble is still here and many of you will not leave.

[hurple]

82. Absolutely

It's time more of "our side" learned that.

[treestar]

96. I agree; many people say insulting people will not make them

vote for us but then there are some people - I have run across them - who respond positively to that. They think you are being "tough" and they love that. And that's just verbal.

[spooky3]

110. I like your story.

[Leighbythesea]

44. You speak for me.

I could not agree more. Resist meant just that. Resist the tactics employed by those with dark motives and no interest in the founding principles of our democracy. This has marked a turning point. The democrats dont have fortitude. It's up to us. Sooner or later there will be a pitchfork and torch moment where the we must show up in mass. I assume it will have to do with Mueller.

[Lonestarblue]

46. Trial by media

Franken was found guilty with only one accuser providing a photo that was obviously a stupid joke by a man whose job was comedian. That’s what comedians do—stupid things that make us laugh. The rest are either he said-she said situations or anonymous accusations. The Democratic Party just rolled over and jumped on the bandwagon of he’s guilty, he has to go with no opportunity for him even to learn whether his accusers have corroborating evidence. I, too, have lost hope, and as I said in another post, 71% of millennials believe that we need a viable third party. I’m thinking I would support that. Democrats will have the high road, but Republicans will keep the power and the seats to actually do something, though it will all be bad for the country.

[Dalton Mac]

47. Gillibrand 2020!

+

[democratisphere]

83. That'll be the day!

[dem4decades]

126. Never.

[DownriverDem]

48. Take a step back

With Conyers and Franken gone, the Dems can go after trump and moore big time. Do you think Franken would want you to just give up? It's this give up attitude that plays into the repubs hands. I hope you feel better tomorrow.

[joet67]

54. This signals our doom. nt

[Paladin]

55. I share your dispair.

On another DU thread a few minutes ago, I read the Democrats' handling of the Franken matter described as yet another act of "unilateral disarmament." I have no confidence whatsoever that getting rid of Franken was part of some steely strategic move by the party to ultimately get rid of both Roy Moore and trump---and I believe those who cling to such wishful thinking are going to be bitterly disappointed.

[bitterross]

56. Why does everyone think that all this is going to end nicely - like in a movie?

What is everyone freaking smoking?

This is not a play in three acts where the good guys win because they did what they were supposed to do and the bad guys got caught and held accountable.

There is no accountability in this country for Republicans. None. Not by the voters and not by their own members. So there is no reason for them to ever play by the rules. EVER.

Now, all they see is that the Democrats are patsies that will keep doing themselves in. WE do ourselves in every time. It gets us nowhere.

I have no hope at all anymore.

[Nasruddin]

79. Why?

It's a lack of understanding of the prisoner's dilemma (or "Chicago rules" a la Sean Connery in the Untouchables)
It's some kind of inability to deal with ratfucking, a perennial strategy of the Republicans (and also of Democrats, but not for a long time).
And related to the latter, a kind of covert contract - with the random deities of karma I guess - the idea that if I just do good, I will triumph in the end. The problem is karma didn't sign the contract. Never does.

I hope that giving up the covert contract will make it easier to start facing up to the ratfucking. To really counteract that requires some ways and means but one has to start with a focus on the problem.

[vi5]

80. "Everyone"? Not really...

Just the beltway bubble Democratic party establishment. It's only people whose heads are so firmly implanted in Chuck Todd's keester who actually believe any of this bullshit does anything other than turn off actual voters.

[G_j]

57. Agreed

sure, I’ll continue to vote. However, it feels like the game is over. I hate being poor, because I’d love to leave the country. Too many guns, too much insanity, and I’m too old for it all.

[MontanaMama]

63. +1000

And, please accept my apologies to all who read a post of mine on another thread in support of Senator Franken. I posted using my phone...big mistake...and autocorrect changed Franken to Frankenstein. Deeply embarrassed and I'm sorry. A few folks pointed it out and I just now saw that.

[Crunchy Frog]

119. I think I was on the jury for that.

I voted not to hide.

[rainy]

66. Im feeling exactly that way too

[Snackshack]

68. Agreed.

Sen. Franken should drop the “D” and go Independent. Dems threw him under bus without any investigation (which he asked for) based solely on allegations alone. The political cartoon I saw yesterday with a bunch of Donkeys in a room looking at spine in the corner asking “what is that” is all that needs to be conveyed about the current group of people calling themselves Democrats.

[Chipper Chat]

109. He could be elected as an independent.

I don't live in Minnesota but if the voters there like him enough he could pull a Murkowski.

[mahannah]

73. Agree. Sadly.

[vi5]

76. And this is all of it in a nutshell.

People don't trust the Democratic party leadership to factor in anything but their own self interest and political expediency when doing anything. Yes they are right on many issues, obviously. But there is for too many people this underlying sense and fear that when the chips are down they will all act in their own self interest.

[secondwind]

86. I refuse to join these pity parties... we have a lot of work to do. nt

[LakeArenal]

92. Oh so no it's a pity party huh...

Nice.. Keep that unifying spirit.

[SargeXXX]

88. You can't grope someone in a flak jacket. THAT was the joke.

[Javaman]

93. I completely agree...

I have this itching feeling that the Democratic Party might have lost a few members today.

[WoonTars]

94. Sure, but look at all of that moral high ground we'll have...

Right next to all of that 'dry powder' because 'impeachment is off the table'...

[scarletwoman]

102. We'll have a great view to watch from as the Orcs lay waste to the country all around us.

I'm 68 years old. I honestly can't figure out how the Democratic Party got so inept at basic politics.

[WoonTars]

120. Yes indeed...

...truly pathetic...

[Duppers]

99. +1000

K&R for thread. Thank you!

[Trumpocalypse]

101. Don't let the door hit you in the ass nt

[Doodley]

104. Franken needed to go. Period. We don't defend sexual harassment.

[scarletwoman]

107. ALLEGED sexual harassment. Franken deserved the due process of a hearing

before the Ethics Committee.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

114. And he could've waited on that.

He chose to resign instead.

[scarletwoman]

121. It was his Senate colleagues who wouldn't wait on his hearing.

They basically took his choice away.

[Doodley]

116. He apologized. I ask Democrats to move on and stop defending his disgusting behavior.

Here's a Franken quote:

"The first thing I want to do is apologize: to Leeann, to everyone else who was part of that tour, to everyone who has worked for me, to everyone I represent, and to everyone who counts on me to be an ally and supporter and champion of women. There's more I want to say, but the first and most important thing—and if it's the only thing you care to hear, that's fine—is: I'm sorry.


"For instance, that picture. I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter. There's no excuse. I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it—women who have had similar experiences in their own lives, women who fear having those experiences, women who look up to me, women who have counted on me.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/al-franken-apology/index.html

[hurple]

112. except

We don't know if any occurred... and that's the point! Guilty until ... well... not given a chance to be proven innocent is your assessment.

8 accusers. 2 anonymous. 2 absolutely batshit crazy accusations that in no way is harassment. and 4 that do not hold water under scrutiny.

All but one of the crazy ones (he squeezed me too hard during a photo-op) from non-dems with proven ties to the rethug noise machine.

But, by all means... he HAS to go! Meanwhile we get a self-admitted actual, real sexual predator sitting in the white house (what a dump!) and a pedophile in the senate as compensation. Plus an electorate that will vote plenty more of those types into office because "better a pedophile than a Dem"

Certainly looks like a win-win!

Go dems!

[Doodley]

118. In his own words:

"I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate. It's obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture. And, what's more, I can see how millions of other women would feel violated by it"

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/al-franken-apology/index.html


Please stop defending it or making excuses.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

105. Enough with the handwringing, please. Just get on with the job even if you think others won't. nt

[samnsara]

106. my god i agree...but how can we when we are yelling about roy moore?..

...I know they are worlds apart but no one ever established guidelines on how to behave in these situations....what is acceptable and whats not.

Its so damned frustrating. Al Franken was a product of SNL culture. They crossed a lot of boundaries during their shows...as entertainment. I feel he just remained caught up in that culture. I still would trust my 13 and 15 yr old grand daughters with him. totally!

my heart breaks for him. I feel likes its a death.

[tomp]

111. What's funny is that american politics...

...in the era of corporatism is so inherently corrupt they should all resign. The dems are acting like this will make anything better. What the fuck are they doing to protect the integrity of voting, e.g, the absence of which has cost them three presidential elections in recent memory? American politics is a cynical joke.

[OBenario]

115. Surprised to see your post wasn't removed and you were not kicked out yet.

Self-criticism and freedom of expression is a crime here.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

117. OK, IF THIS IS WAR (and it is) then pls. try NOT to succumb to their tactics - divide and

conquer is the oldest trick in the book. SOME of the Dem Party do indeed deserve the coward and appeaser label - some do not. Further confusing the issue is that Franken himself could have served the rest of his term but chose not to - is he also a coward? I dunno, hard to put that label on him because iIm sure the pressure on him was enormous.

[MojoWrkn]

123. My sentiments exactly! Thank you for putting it into words.

[Owl]

124. Exactly. K&R

[NoMoreRepugs]

125. I'm 68.... meaning I worked in the 70's, 80's and 90's in office

environments. If Franken deserves to be pressured out
of his elected position based upon what he is accused of by both anonymous and highly suspect accusers I have to tell you - a whole bunch of us from my era should maybe be on death row.

[ancianita]

127. My feelings exactly. And yet I don't leave. I hold a place for democracy.

[RKP5637]

128. It's indicative of very very dark days ahead and GOP wins. n/t

[NoMoreRepugs]

129. I'm 68.... and I worked in the 70's, 80's and 90's in office

environments. If Sen. Franken can be forced from office based on anonymous and suspect accusers I'm really thankful I'm not sitting on death row someplace.

Hint: the series Madmen was more like a documentary.....