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Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:10 PM

If I accused Franken and didn't get my day to

testify, I would be pissed.

Franken isn't the only one who was denied due process. His forced resignation has left all the charges by the women in permenant limbo.

If the Dems took to the podium to strongly advocate for the victims getting their due process
the moral high ground wouldn't look so political would it?

Franken would get his due, the victims would get their due and the public would get their due.

The Dems could have stood with #metoo signs demanding due process for Moore accusers, just as they would have with Franken's

So could it be said that in their rush to be political - victims became collateral damage?

(Or in the case of Franken's accusers-relieved)

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:19 PM

1. I agree. But it looks like Tweeden did not want an investigation. Why would she?

The court of public opinion was enough. Why testify under oath when all you have to do to destroy a career is get on the media and make all the accusations you want?

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:55 PM

6. Exactly! If the Dems stood exclusively with the victims getting due process, an ethics

hearing would have required sworn testimony.

The Dems got it all backwards!

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:24 PM

2. I'd like to hear that from just one of his accusers. n/t

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:31 PM

3. "Roy Moore accuser Beverly Young Nelson 'scared to go anywhere' since her sexual assault allegation"

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:22 PM

9. Even by your standards, that's a remarkable non sequitur

" After going public with her allegation last month, Nelson added, her children have been threatened and she's afraid to leave her home.

'Im scared to go anywhere. Shopping, I have to have someone with me,' she said, adding that her father takes her to doctors' appointments."

How does the fact that she and her children have been threatened and are thus afraid to go out translate into any comment one way or another on whether she wants to confront her accuser?

In addition, for this to be analogous to the Franken case, you'd need to point us to all the threats directed against Tweeden, et. al. I've not heard about those. Won't you fill us in?

That said, it appears that Nelson doesn't want the thing to just go away:

"But Nelson, who said shes a Republican and a Trump supporter, asked 'Is the party more important really than what happened? I feel like my incident is being swept under the rug, literally, because hes a Republican.'"

Are those the words of a person who does not want to confront her accuser?

So how does your citation to this story respond at all to the OP?

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:35 PM

4. To some extent, I think they gave up on due process

by not making the allegation in a timely manner either through civil or criminal court or his employer or the government body he was a representative of.

I do not wish to be harsh because countless allegations are made long after the statute of limitations has passed. See Bill Cosby case. And there are legitimate reasons for this in some number of cases. So it's important to leave the door ajar for this.

But the woman/Trumpster/Roy-Moore-sycophant who complained about clutching/pinching her waist for a few seconds during a photo? Ditto for Leeann who seemed to speak well of Franken and socialize just fine with him for years after ... until Stone/Hannity/Don Jr seemed to entice her to male allegations that have been shown to be suspect since. I do not have much sympathy with these women for example because i'm suspicious of their claims.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 03:53 PM

5. I guess I didn't explain very clearly. I suggest the Dems could have looked stronger if

they stood up exclusively for the victims. Instead, they made it all about Franken.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:18 PM

7. And several others reporting to bloggers

Anonymously, to bloggers with documented histories of defending rape-hoaxers (UVA, specifically) well after it was clear it was a hoax.

At the same time, we saw the Washington Post bust politically motivated fake accusers being funded and coordinated through the right wing smear machine.

Leann Tweeden lied, and the waist grab person seems to genuinely believe her self-serving, self-centered story was somehow sexual harassment. Im sorry she had low self esteem at the same time she met a famous comedian, I guess?

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Response to Ninga (Original post)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:21 PM

8. The only two we know about are right wing shills...so a big who cares...the others are anonymous

and didn't come forward. I think this is entirely a right wing hit job.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 04:58 PM

10. I agree. bUT This is about strategy! The Dems picked the wrong strategy. They could have been

only about the victiums. They made it about Franken and had to hang him.
IF Dems insisteted it was about the victiums then he would have gotten his ethics hearing.

Doesn't anybody get me?

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Response to Ninga (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 10, 2017, 11:42 PM

11. I get it now...you do have a point. In such a case everyone deserves a hearing.

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