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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhile I'm happy about who won, I am deeply troubled because
~49% of the voters of Alabama voted for Moore.
Something is very wrong there.
WTF.
Seriously.
That's pretty f'd up.
Beakybird
(3,332 posts)57% of white college educated women voted for Moore. The vast majority of white Alabamans are racist to the core. There's no other way to extrapolate. It almost seems like they would destroy their child's future if they were told that by doing so that they would destroy the futures of two minority children.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)In the late 1980s (!), college women were there merely for their MRS degree. Brainwashed "Christian" idiots.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)How the hell can this happen?
We see all the stories about uneducated coal miners and blue collar Trump voters all the time.
Where are the shameful stories of college educated women backing pigs like Pedo Moore and the pussy grabber in charge?
I just......wow!
I sense a bias from the news media.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)grabber's inauguration. Pitiful. Shameful. Then she complained on FB about the "fake news" regarding the comparatively small crowd size. And she is the type to share on FB a photo of Taylor Swift with a MAGA hat since (despite the college degrees) she lacks the critical thinking skills (or enough basic common sense) to realize the repulsive hat was photoshopped.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I have a sibling the same way with a high school education.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)At least some of them went for Jones or stayed home.
Don't let the white men off, they voted against their own families (wives, mothers, sisters, daughters) and (professed) Christian values..
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)counting ALL voters (60% stayed home), about 80% rejected supporting Roy Moore.
I find that reassuring.
eppur_se_muova
(36,256 posts)The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I don't want to find out anymore who they think are "good politicians."
Let's let "good people" who vote make that choice - like last night.
diva77
(7,638 posts)voter caging, etc. -- so it's very likely a much higher % tried to vote but were unable to...
http://sos.alabama.gov/alabama-votes/voter/voter-id
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Reports of Voter Suppression Tactics Pour In From Alabama Election
Voters in the contest between Roy Moore and Doug Jones complain of being put on inactive status and prevented from voting.
Pema LevyDec. 12, 2017 5:12 PM
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/12/reports-of-voter-suppression-tactics-pour-in-from-alabama-election/#
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Almost as soon as voting was underway on Tuesday, civil rights groups began receiving hundreds of complaints of voter suppression, and residents and reporters took to social media to report tactics used to intimidate minority voters or force them to cast provisional ballots.
The Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law had received 235 calls to its voter hotline as of 3:24 p.m. The group aims to provide live assistance to voters, and its unclear how many of the calls were to report voting irregularities rather than simply asking for assistance. The NAACP Legal Defense Fund has been collecting reports of voting problems in Alabama, some of them secondhand, including multiple reports of people being put on inactive status and erroneously prevented from voting.
Some of these voters are told that they cannot vote, Coty Montag, the director of litigation at the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, wrote in a roundup on Tuesday afternoon. Others are being given provisional ballots. The correct [procedure] is that voters who appear on the inactive list must be allowed an opportunity to re-identify and vote a regular ballot.
The group also collected reports of very long lines at precincts where poll workers say they were unprepared for high turnout. Alabamas secretary of state, Republican John Merrill, has repeatedly predicted low turnout in the special election. Election expert Michael McDonald of the University of Florida tweeted that it was bordering on malpractice to give this guidance to local election officials who should prepare for higher turnout. The group has also collected reports of people being prevented from voting by the states photo ID law because their IDs have expired.
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eppur_se_muova
(36,256 posts)Looks like NAACP is going to be the lead on this, but I sure hope AL Dems get involved. The party is in pretty bad shape in this state, though. Will probably require lots of outside watchdogs -- and we've all seen how the Alabama politicians react to outsiders.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)Rupert Murdoch (Faux News)
Sinclair Broadcasting (talk radio)
Hundreds of charlatan preachers.
Dozens of lying Repug politicians.
Lots of RW folks are crying in their warm beer this morning w/cold pizza for breakfast. Pity only goes out to Roy's horse.
leftieNanner
(15,074 posts)It's a wonder he doesn't get bucked off every time. Read the body language of the animal - and even if you aren't a rider, you can see that Roy has no idea what he is doing. I feel so sorry for the horse!
northoftheborder
(7,571 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)He is way to big for that poor horse.
He is jerking the poor animals head, that is no way the handle the reins.
Better for all concerned if Moore just walks away.
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,435 posts)..pobercito caballo, poor horse.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I'm not sure there is an answer.
We have to find a way to get rid of Fox News. How, legally, can this be accomplished? And right-wing radio. It poisons the minds of people who should know better.
BumRushDaShow
(128,717 posts)are not what we would consider tangible "interests" - like clean air & water, good jobs and whatnot.
THEIR interest comes from the deeper recesses of their being and is primordial - fear of genetic annihilation... and that colors everything they think about and do.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I've read a bit about this. The difference between being open to new things (liberals) and being afraid of change. It may even be neurological in nature. They may literally be made that way. I don't know how true that is, but it would be difficult to overcome if it is.
So the answer probably lies less in changing minds and more in getting more people to vote. That 60% of people who didn't vote in Alabama and the 40% or so who don't vote in presidential elections is key.
BamaRefugee
(3,483 posts)...because, OMG, maybe GAY folks are "made that way" too!
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Doug Jones might consider a little victory tour (don't call it that) and go to the most Republican environs of Alabama. Tell the voters there that as the junior Senator from Alabama, he considers it his duty to work on behalf of all Alabamans, not just the wealthy. Yeah, he's a Democrat, but Democrats have a record of using government to help people: Social Security, Medicare, the Affordable Care Act, raising the minimum wage, building good schools, helping people go to college without incurring crushing, unforgivable debt.
Republican office-holders work on behalf of their wealthy bankrollers.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)They vote their values. Unfortunately, for too many in Alabama, their values are informed by 400 years of racist policies aimed at dividing white from black. You win by showing them new values, ones where they can join together with others of different races. To get them to see black people as neighbors not enemies. Won't convince all of them, but it might convince enough to swing an election.
Martin Eden
(12,861 posts)They don't necessarily have to be shown "new values" so much as being convinced that "Christian values" are not served by Republican policies that comfort the rich, afflict the poor, and damage God's creation of the earth which sustains life itself.
JimBeard
(293 posts)make one vote against their self interest.
In Alabama it was abortion for some and that emotion is so intense it over powers economic interest.
Look around, there are other issues that trump (as in cards) economic issues.
For me it will be the extreme Feminism of the Democratic Party. (Often called the Woman's Party)
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As did 63 percent of white women.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)28% of white men and 37% of white women in Alabama voted for Jones. MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, African American and other minority group voters saved America's cookies again, like they did big in 2008 when the world teetered on disaster and 2012 to keep progress moving forward.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This is definitely a great victory in Alabama, that's for sure.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 13, 2017, 04:12 PM - Edit history (1)
But the fact is, when the coalition that we have show up and vote wisely, we win.
louis c
(8,652 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)fear that they will ramp up their war on minority voters because (between Virginia and Alabama) there is no doubt that their votes do count and can become motivated to get out and vote the Rethugs out of office. The Rethugs will be looking for every to stop this trend.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Everyone should check their voting status before registration for upcoming elections ends. Hell, I think people should check every 6 months in red states.
Look, in order to stop minorities from making a difference, republicans will have to grossly violate laws as well as the Constitution. And if they try that, we take them to Court as well as run public awareness campaigns to let the public know what republicans are trying.
I think that one of the most effective measures that can be used with White voters is to point out that within 30 years, Whites will be an electoral minority, even if Whites vote 100% for a candidate. Ask the question of whether they want to teach minority leaders of the future how to take away the voting right of now White children. Behavior is learned and revenge is the consequence of present abuses of power.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,401 posts)that they would likely vote Republican if Satan himself were running. I know that we can all be tribal sometimes but I'd like to think that we would never accept somebody like Moore or Trump as Democratic nominees for any office.
caballojm
(270 posts)[link:https://tinyurl.com/yck8m4hk|
LiberalLovinLug
(14,168 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,401 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,168 posts)And Trumpsters are a lot like juvenile boys, with the same stunted immature outlook, that are swept up in this cult of a boys gang (and some girls) that sees 'the other' as the enemy. Get themselves riled up at campfires (or rallies) and will believe anything that Jack (Trump) tells them.
jalan48
(13,852 posts)It's like I'm in a different country. Maybe the US is so different on a regional basis that trying to call it one nation has become impossible. How can we move ahead when we have a solid block of the country pulling us backwards?
Jspur
(578 posts)I'm 34 years old and moved from Boston to NC when I was 11. So I have lived in NC for 23 years. My state is probably the least extreme southern state since it's now a purple state but I have encountered a lot of stupid people in my time of living here. Unless you live in the south you don't know how bad and backwards the people are down here. I have cousins who live in southern California and I remember several years ago them telling me that racism doesn't exist anymore in the US. I looked at them and laughed really hard at their naivete and lack of awareness. I could see why they believed that since they lived in a liberal utopia in CA so they have never had to encounter religious nutcases, rednecks, etc. My point is that most of the people in DU who are shocked that Trump and Moore can win these white voters over are probably privileged in the sense that they have never had to live in a red state.
lame54
(35,277 posts)Danascot
(4,690 posts)another big issue for many was abortion. There are lots of single issue voters against it to the exclusion of everything else.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I've noticed in alot of these people, when pushed, they don't really know all that much about their candidates. They'll pull out one issue and claim it is their reason, but I suspect they know little about the issue, or the candidates stand on it, much less actually have a robust position on the issue themselves. My personal observation is that these people divide the world into two groups, "people like me" and "others". Unfortunately, "others" are people who often are more knowledgeable about almost anything. So they develop an attitude that there is something wrong with the "others" and they'll only vote for people "like themselves". Which of course means that it will be people with the same limited understanding they have, or at least who won't challenge that limited understanding.
wolfie001
(2,218 posts)These are the same pigs and piglets that say Obama was born in Kenya. Nasty m*f*ers.
pandr32
(11,572 posts)Along with those faux Christian values seems to work with too many people. That's f_cked up!
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)IMHO, a lot of these folks are single issue voters, obsessed with an issue like abortion or guns to the absolute exclusion of all else.
I read that someone said if the Democrats had a "pro life" candidate as good as Doug Jones, they would have walked away with this election in double digits.
Having known some of these single issue voters, I am shocked at what they are willing to overlook so long as their single issue is handled to their satisfaction. It is really quite incredible.
Anyway, who gives a sh@t, at least until 2018. Let's party and celebrate, but keep our eye on the ball!
Way to go, Doug Jones!!!!!
This seems to be lost in the giddy over-excitement today.
The fact that it was s struggle to defeat moore, even with all that baggage should actually frighten D's... IMO
Cary
(11,746 posts)It's sad that it has come to that point, but here we are.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)It opens the door for a strong Democratic effort there, to try and influence the populous.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)What they have in common is a fear of change.
louis c
(8,652 posts)I'd say that's progress.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Donald Trump won the state by 28 points. Last night, More won by 1.5%. A swing of nearly 30% in 13 months.
Imagine several dozen House races doing the same? How about Ted Cruz in Texas? He won by 15% in 2012. I would be sweating right now if I saw that big of a swing in even redder than Texasa Alabama.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Why don't we talk about how Democrats went from 0% in 2014 to 50% in only 3 years?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)That is just shocking. I can't even begin to imagine what it is like living in those places.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That is fifty percent of the guaranteed base who show up for them in statewide elections. Democrats didnt show up in greater numbers that their historical trend.
650,000 base Republican voters not showing up is huge. That said, every one of them will show up in 20 when Sessions takes his seat back. Sessions will get his 1.2 to 1.4 million votes.
drray23
(7,627 posts)Post Reagan years and with the emergence of the rw media such as Fox news and a plethora of radio shows.
We democrats did not respond in kind and over the last 25 years, people were gradually brainwashed and got more and more radical.
Gerrimandering is what we usually point out at when describing the challenges we have to retake house seats, I think the more important factor which lead to everything else is the control of the message. Republicans have horrendous agendas, yet they get elected because they are master at messaging and they have an army of propagandist radio hosts and tv networks to reinforce it.
The only way this country will get back at having sane pollitical conversations is if this issue is addressed.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Special election votes are rarely up for the standard 6 years.