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Nope, no way. n/t demopilot Dec 2017 #1
There is definitely a bad vibe in the air right now. The_Casual_Observer Dec 2017 #2
I'd say full bird colonel ought to keep his mouth shut if any of that is true. Hoyt Dec 2017 #3
When he told me that I asked how this isn't in the media titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #6
Fleet is a term used by the Navy. AF has flights, squadrons, groups, and wings. Tipperary Dec 2017 #23
So what about the Army? Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #41
I also do not get an AF colonel using the term fleet to refer to any amount of AF personnel. Tipperary Dec 2017 #49
+1 sl8 Dec 2017 #7
Hmm. I sense a court martial in someone's future. Aristus Dec 2017 #11
I think it was Lindsay Graham who suggested moving dependents from Sophia4 Dec 2017 #13
Graham is a retired air force Colonel. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2017 #60
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2017 #28
AF Colonels are a dime a dozen. Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #43
Same here. xmas74 Dec 2017 #45
My son n law is a Lt Colonel in AF marlakay Dec 2017 #64
They're supposed to keep secrets. xmas74 Dec 2017 #65
Thats true marlakay Dec 2017 #67
I woke up yesterday in a full state of anxiety. Sophia4 Dec 2017 #4
should either the Air Force colonel or his father-in-law be flapping his gums like that? renate Dec 2017 #5
I asked him that... titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #9
You got it Jersey Devil Dec 2017 #46
It's bullshit Drahthaardogs Dec 2017 #51
Absolutely. Sounds like a fb rumor. eom cwydro Dec 2017 #62
If they start evacuating SK, the world will know that war is coming. NightWatcher Dec 2017 #8
He was talking about US citizens married/kids of active duty serving there titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #10
That's how I understood you. How many people is that? NightWatcher Dec 2017 #16
No idea titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #17
Letting the world know may be good. It might get the Chinese and the Sophia4 Dec 2017 #14
Did he (the officer) specifically say war is coming or is that a supposition? Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #12
I don't know titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #15
My hope too. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #18
Curious how long it will take 45for45th Dec 2017 #19
Hearsay is hearsay. My fear factor went up exactly zero. Thanks anyway. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #20
When I served in the Army tazkcmo Dec 2017 #21
not always lapfog_1 Dec 2017 #31
Depends on job and branch. xmas74 Dec 2017 #47
Dad was AF in Japan in 60's, I was there shanti Dec 2017 #48
Ive had two friends xmas74 Dec 2017 #53
Welp, I live in Seattle maxsolomon Dec 2017 #22
Portland here. CentralMass Dec 2017 #27
You might live maxsolomon Dec 2017 #32
Yes. Being able to find an adequate shelter to survive for a few weeks is unlikely and then surving CentralMass Dec 2017 #39
The closer Mueller gets, the more visions of Armageddon rise dhol82 Dec 2017 #24
Trump covering his butt is not a good reason for war librechik Dec 2017 #66
Thanks for the accurate sourcing PJMcK Dec 2017 #25
Congratulations. newblewtoo Dec 2017 #36
Yeah Trump will be timing this just right. When shit hits the fan ... we're at war! YOHABLO Dec 2017 #26
Gen. Barry McCaffrey has repeatedly said war with NK this coming summer of 2018. roamer65 Dec 2017 #29
So Trump intends to be a war criminal C_U_L8R Dec 2017 #30
A "Full Bird" is a colonel. There's no other kind. mobeau69 Dec 2017 #33
Yes, there is a lieutenant colonel rank. Silver oak leaves. It is above major but below full bird. Tipperary Dec 2017 #40
"Full-Bird" is an informal reference only, not a rank. There are Lt. Colonels and Colonels. mobeau69 Dec 2017 #59
Yes it is informal and refers to the eagle insignia. Both are called colonels but they are different Tipperary Dec 2017 #68
Indeed titaniumsalute Dec 2017 #70
I heard the same thing months ago from a friend that knows someone doc03 Dec 2017 #34
Nope. That's against OPSEC. FIL is pulling someone's leg... haele Dec 2017 #35
No one is running around, acting funny xmas74 Dec 2017 #50
Is his FIL Lindsey Graham? haele Dec 2017 #37
Sounds like your "friend" got that info from Facebook or InfoWars Blue_Tires Dec 2017 #38
The military seems quite different sarisataka Dec 2017 #42
maybe tRumps plan to bluestarone Dec 2017 #44
As Supreme Allied Commander Europe, I can confirm that this actually happened. name not needed Dec 2017 #52
Well, OK, I will not rule out anything, BUT--keep this in mind DFW Dec 2017 #54
The former Commander-in-Chief was asked about this; Codeine Dec 2017 #55
wouldn't surprise me if Russia (they know what we're doing) already has a secret bluestarone Dec 2017 #56
I'd better stock up on my kimchi left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #57
I figure some republican snitch will alert Trump to impending Mueller actions against him and workinclasszero Dec 2017 #58
Cool Story Bro Sailor65x1 Dec 2017 #61
Put a sock on this hysterical BS. marble falls Dec 2017 #63
My dad used to tell me that war with the Soviet Union was imminent when we lived in Germany. LexVegas Dec 2017 #69

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
6. When he told me that I asked how this isn't in the media
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:10 PM
Dec 2017

I mean a fleet of people is like 7,000. He said it was supposed to be next week. But was pushed back until the week after Christmas. So I guess we will find out in a few weeks.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
23. Fleet is a term used by the Navy. AF has flights, squadrons, groups, and wings.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:39 PM
Dec 2017

I agree with the other poster who said this “full bird colonel” should be keeping his mouth shut if this is true.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
41. So what about the Army?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:52 PM
Dec 2017

We've got a division in Seoul and like a division and a half in Japan... Seems kinda light for an invasion force, doesn't it??

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
49. I also do not get an AF colonel using the term fleet to refer to any amount of AF personnel.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:28 PM
Dec 2017

A fleet is a Navy term referring to a collection of vessels. This sounds like something someone heard on good old facebook.

Aristus

(72,187 posts)
11. Hmm. I sense a court martial in someone's future.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:13 PM
Dec 2017

If he's blabbing classified information...

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
13. I think it was Lindsay Graham who suggested moving dependents from
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

South Korea last week.

So this really isn't "news."

It makes sense.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
43. AF Colonels are a dime a dozen.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:11 PM
Dec 2017

I might believe a Marine Colonel, but I have no reason to believe an AF Colonel has this information

xmas74

(30,058 posts)
45. Same here.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:21 PM
Dec 2017

I live in an Air Force town. Full bird knows to keep the mouth shut or suffer the consequences.

I have a friend stationed in South Korea with his entire family-wife, son and one on the way. They're on Facebook posting about all the new years plans. He's a smart guy-if something didn't feel right he'd send the family home asap.

marlakay

(13,282 posts)
64. My son n law is a Lt Colonel in AF
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 12:15 AM
Dec 2017

They spent two years in Korea. I am glad my daughter is not there now.

But Kyle won’t even tell his wife stuff. He keeps a lot of secrets.

They are in San Antonio now.

xmas74

(30,058 posts)
65. They're supposed to keep secrets.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:17 AM
Dec 2017

My friend in South Korea seems fine and has been posting plans for the new year. If he felt uneasy at all he could easily send his wife and son back home with an excuse about her pregnancy (wants her around family,etc) and no one would second guess.

marlakay

(13,282 posts)
67. Thats true
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:36 AM
Dec 2017

My daughter had her second child while there. Its a good base she enjoyed her time there.

She got her masters online since she couldn’t work.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
4. I woke up yesterday in a full state of anxiety.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:09 PM
Dec 2017

I never experienced that in all my life.

This is a definite possibility.

renate

(13,776 posts)
5. should either the Air Force colonel or his father-in-law be flapping his gums like that?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:10 PM
Dec 2017

I don't doubt you or the fact that you heard that from him, but I can't imagine a colonel would actually blab anything so huge to a civilian. But I'm not in the armed forces, so what do I know.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
9. I asked him that...
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:11 PM
Dec 2017

He said he wasn't sure but that is what is what he was told. On the other hand I asked about media and why it isn't in there? No good answer.

Jersey Devil

(10,833 posts)
46. You got it
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:21 PM
Dec 2017

My son in law is an AF Lt Col and he says there is now way a full bird col would blab like that.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
51. It's bullshit
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:28 PM
Dec 2017

First of all, you would need a Top Secret clearance to know that shit.

One of the misnomers about Top Secret is that people think you can just access EVERYTHING.

You can't. You have are cleared to work on what you need to work on. Nothing more.

If he really had a Top Secret clearance and was tipping off the enemy, he would be in Leavenworth

NightWatcher

(39,376 posts)
8. If they start evacuating SK, the world will know that war is coming.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:11 PM
Dec 2017

Why kind of logistics are involved in getting that many people out of there?

NightWatcher

(39,376 posts)
16. That's how I understood you. How many people is that?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:21 PM
Dec 2017

I think it would draw attention to itself and freak out the rest of the world and NK, China, and Russia among others.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
17. No idea
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:22 PM
Dec 2017

Like I said I guess we will see in the next few weeks. I can't imagine world media not reporting this.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
14. Letting the world know may be good. It might get the Chinese and the
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:19 PM
Dec 2017

Russians to pressure their friends in North Korea.

Yonnie3

(19,457 posts)
12. Did he (the officer) specifically say war is coming or is that a supposition?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:18 PM
Dec 2017

Saber rattling, bluffing and/or posturing forces sure sound like tRump's diplomacy tools. They certainly could lead to war, but that is not a given.

titaniumsalute

(4,742 posts)
15. I don't know
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:20 PM
Dec 2017

My friend just said that his SIL is concerned because of the amount of resources he is moving to SK is unprecedented. Both aircraft and personnel.

The part that got me was the evacuation of US non-active duty living there.

I hope to fuck he's wrong.

Yonnie3

(19,457 posts)
18. My hope too.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:26 PM
Dec 2017

A week or two ago, I heard it reported that dependents weren't being allowed to go to South Korea. Sending dependents home at this juncture seems a prudent thing to do with all the tensions.

45for45th

(2 posts)
19. Curious how long it will take
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:29 PM
Dec 2017

Curious as to how long it will take for this to hit the news cycle. Not exactly easy to hide moving that many people out of South Korea, especially if military personnel are already talking to civilians about it.

tazkcmo

(7,419 posts)
21. When I served in the Army
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:36 PM
Dec 2017

A tour in Korea was done without dependents or spouses. I don't know anything about the Air Force or Marines. But that amount of movement of military hardware is bound to catch the attention of any satellite owning country.

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
31. not always
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:02 PM
Dec 2017

don't know when you were there but my nephew was there in 1995 and his pregnant wife was with him and his daughter was born there...

xmas74

(30,058 posts)
47. Depends on job and branch.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:24 PM
Dec 2017

I've known AF who were unaccompanied and know someone in the Army who has the whole family there right now.

maxsolomon

(38,716 posts)
22. Welp, I live in Seattle
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 06:38 PM
Dec 2017

So I'm vapor if NK isn't bluffing. Have fun in our Road Warrior future!

maxsolomon

(38,716 posts)
32. You might live
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:02 PM
Dec 2017

far enough away from Bangor Sub Base on Hood Canal.

but the radiation won't be fun.

CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
39. Yes. Being able to find an adequate shelter to survive for a few weeks is unlikely and then surving
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:46 PM
Dec 2017

in the aftermath after the radiation level drops is a dim proposition

librechik

(30,957 posts)
66. Trump covering his butt is not a good reason for war
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 01:21 AM
Dec 2017

there is never a good cause for war.

roamer65

(37,953 posts)
29. Gen. Barry McCaffrey has repeatedly said war with NK this coming summer of 2018.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:00 PM
Dec 2017

I suspect a bit earlier...probably May.

C_U_L8R

(49,384 posts)
30. So Trump intends to be a war criminal
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:00 PM
Dec 2017

Being a common crook wasn’t enough for him. Sadly he’ll take the rest of us down with him in a radioactive klusterfuck.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
40. Yes, there is a lieutenant colonel rank. Silver oak leaves. It is above major but below full bird.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:51 PM
Dec 2017

They are frequently called “light” colonels.

mobeau69

(12,374 posts)
59. "Full-Bird" is an informal reference only, not a rank. There are Lt. Colonels and Colonels.
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 09:36 PM
Dec 2017
 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
68. Yes it is informal and refers to the eagle insignia. Both are called colonels but they are different
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:13 AM
Dec 2017

One is superior to the other.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
34. I heard the same thing months ago from a friend that knows someone
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:12 PM
Dec 2017

that has a son in the Air Force.

haele

(15,398 posts)
35. Nope. That's against OPSEC. FIL is pulling someone's leg...
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:18 PM
Dec 2017

My FIL was a full bird in the AF, also - and seriously, he'd never say anything other than "That question is classified, don't ask it..." for something like that. He wouldn't even joke about anything like that.
20+ years in the Navy, and I'd never tell anyone - not family, no one - if we were getting deployed. You just don't talk about schedules.

There's an old Navy saying - "Loose Lips Sink Ships". Any personnel movement is classified, and anyone who blabs that sort of thing is looking to lose his or her position and live in Kansas for a while - especially at that level.

Haele

xmas74

(30,058 posts)
50. No one is running around, acting funny
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:28 PM
Dec 2017

Around my neck of the woods. No uptick in practice flights either -one of the few things that sets off talk around here.

I live next to a base that would play prominently in any air strikes. If someone started talking like that Leavenworth would be in their very near future.

haele

(15,398 posts)
37. Is his FIL Lindsey Graham?
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:29 PM
Dec 2017

Graham was a JAG, don't know if he made it to O-6 or not. And he's the one spouting this "All military dependents should leave South Korea".
Of course, according to the news, there is a Multi-National/Multi-Agency War game/exercise ongoing in the area , so that might be one of the "events" your source was being told about. There's always a worst case logistics mission thread in these things.
I see it as sort of a Jade Helmet sort of thing that might or might not end in the next couple weeks or so.

It's all d***-wagging, anyway.

Haele

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
38. Sounds like your "friend" got that info from Facebook or InfoWars
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 07:42 PM
Dec 2017

and I'm not going to dignify it...

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
42. The military seems quite different
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:09 PM
Dec 2017

From back when I was in.

In those days Colonels didn't blab classified operational and deployment information all over the place. They also used the correct terminology for units of their service.

bluestarone

(22,177 posts)
44. maybe tRumps plan to
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:20 PM
Dec 2017

get NK to strike first so we have reason to invade???? If they see families and such moving out? who knows

DFW

(60,182 posts)
54. Well, OK, I will not rule out anything, BUT--keep this in mind
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:46 PM
Dec 2017

As a rule, Republicans are cowards. They do NOT attack countries they think will shoot back.

Reagan "courageously" attack the tiny Caribbean island of Grenada. Bush Sr. attacked Panama. He stopped at the Iraqi border, wisely enough. Cheney and Rumsfeld cook up phony "intelligence" to lead up to the Iraq invasion, which Rummy claimed in the first few days would last "maybe six days, maybe six weeks, certainly not six months." oops. But that was not intentional. It was a major miscalculation. They invaded because they THOUGHT it would be a cakewalk. Bush Jr. invaded Afghanistan because he thought he would find Osama bin Laden quickly, and leave claiming "my work is done here."

This is why they never invaded Iran. This is the only argument I ever won with Wes Clark. He thought Cheney would try to invade Iran, too. I said no way: They KNEW Iran would shoot back. Big time. So would North Korea. They have 5% or so of their population in the military. That would be the equivalent of the USA having 17 MILLION men and women in our military. There is no way in hell that we invade North Korea without tens of thousands of American dead and millions of Koreans. Kim has nukes, and will at least use them locally if he sees his situation as hopeless. Then Trump would try to use ours just because it's a toy he hasn't played with yet. I'm not sure our military is comfortable with him doing that, and they may balk at such an order unless Kim uses one on us first. For that matter, they might disobey a direct order to invade North Korea outright, and risk the constitutional consequences, declaring such an order a clear sign of insanity, and insist that the 25th amendment be invoked.

bluestarone

(22,177 posts)
56. wouldn't surprise me if Russia (they know what we're doing) already has a secret
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 08:57 PM
Dec 2017

army there to shoot some of our planes down under the cover of NK. just saying how messed up it would be to prove different. There would be one hell of a mess, to prove who did what.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
58. I figure some republican snitch will alert Trump to impending Mueller actions against him and
Thu Dec 14, 2017, 09:36 PM
Dec 2017

the nuclear war with NK starts the next morning.

LexVegas

(6,959 posts)
69. My dad used to tell me that war with the Soviet Union was imminent when we lived in Germany.
Fri Dec 15, 2017, 08:37 AM
Dec 2017
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