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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 07:54 PM Jan 2015

Rep. Tim Ryan makes it formal: He's gone from 'anti-abortion' to 'pro-choice'

Source: cleveland.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Niles-area Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan ran for Congress on an anti-abortion platform in 2002 but gradually lost support from groups that oppose the controversial procedure as his views increasingly diverged from theirs.

Last night - in a gesture that some observers believe might preface a run for higher office - Ryan made official his split with the anti-abortion movement by publishing a column in the Akron Beacon Journal titled "Why I changed my thinking on abortion."

It explained that Ryan considered himself to be "pro-life" after being raised Catholic, but 14 years in political office gave him "a deeper understanding of the complexities and emotions that accompany the difficult decision that women and families make" when deciding whether to end a pregnancy.

"While there are people of good conscience on both sides of this argument, one thing has become abundantly clear to me: the heavy hand of government must not make this decision for women and families," Ryan said in his column.

Read more: http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/01/rep_tim_ryan_makes_it_formal_h.html

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Rep. Tim Ryan makes it formal: He's gone from 'anti-abortion' to 'pro-choice' (Original Post) alp227 Jan 2015 OP
Ryan has come to his senses.... Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #1
Paul Ryan will never cross over. Never. riversedge Jan 2015 #2
He could get struck by lightening. We can all have hope. Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #3
Yes, let him 'cross over' and see who's in charge there. Hint: It ain't the Koch brothers! freshwest Jan 2015 #8
:D BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #12
Well, we finally saw his cutesy young Congressional hotshot "twin" shoved out the door. calimary Jan 2015 #10
God forbid! Did you see the movie "Phenomenon"? Elmer S. E. Dump Jan 2015 #24
That was a good movie. That's kinda what I was thinking. Or like Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus Dont call me Shirley Jan 2015 #25
Paul Ryan has RancidCrabtree Jan 2015 #14
The best way to be anti-abortion... forest444 Jan 2015 #4
+1 BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #11
+2. Trillion. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #13
+1 and wishing I could endorse a thousand times Small Accumulates Jan 2015 #15
Wow. Thank you! forest444 Jan 2015 #18
Good for Tim Ryan.. thanks alp Cha Jan 2015 #5
This is the guy who has Jim Traficant's old seat KamaAina Jan 2015 #6
you should have WARNED us!! niyad Jan 2015 #17
Good. Even my Catholic pro-life mother.. ananda Jan 2015 #7
Not everybody shares our moral values, so legislating them amounts to dictating to people meow2u3 Jan 2015 #9
So laws against theft have nothing to do wirth the fact its morally wrong? Elmergantry Jan 2015 #22
I wish I could get my mom to see things the same way davidpdx Jan 2015 #23
We should not use the term "pro-life" shireen Jan 2015 #16
I prefer "woman-hating pro-forced birthers" niyad Jan 2015 #19
That's good! Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #20
sigh... UnseenUndergrad Jan 2015 #21

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. Yes, let him 'cross over' and see who's in charge there. Hint: It ain't the Koch brothers!
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jan 2015
Unless he goes to the other place...

my terrible self!


Disclaimer: Not Catholic, so IDK what they think about the Afterlife. My thoughts about that is I'll wait until then to think about it. And as the saying goes:

'If in having died, I find myself unsatisfied with the other side, I may come back (to complain).'

If there's an internet connection...

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
12. :D
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jan 2015

LoLoL!



The Koch bros provide philosophical proof of the existence of Hell. Because there HAS to be someplace they belong.

Or, they could just rot. #GetLostWeWontMissYouTheSoonerTheBetter







calimary

(81,304 posts)
10. Well, we finally saw his cutesy young Congressional hotshot "twin" shoved out the door.
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jan 2015

eric cantor never thought it'd happen to him, either. Nor did I. Utterly delicious that he's no longer there. Even though we didn't snatch away his seat, it's still nice that he's so very OUTTA there!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
24. God forbid! Did you see the movie "Phenomenon"?
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jan 2015

John Travolta became super-intelligent and developed clairvoyance and telekinesis.

If Walker attains those powers, it would mean the demise of us all.

Unless of course his super-intelligence turns him into a far-left progressive.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
4. The best way to be anti-abortion...
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jan 2015

has always been to be pro-choice! Why?

Because lawmakers and voters who are pro-choice are also, by necessity, pro-contraception - which is and has always been the only effective and realistic way to reduce the number of abortions. As everyone here knows, all that these medieval, moralistic restrictions on either have ever accomplished is the emergence of an invisible mountain of sub-rosa abortions (and all the hideous gynecological illnesses and injuries that usually follow).

It's hard to believe that in the U.S., in 2015, we still have to explain this to people, isn't it?

ananda

(28,865 posts)
7. Good. Even my Catholic pro-life mother..
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jan 2015

.. always said that morality should never be legislated.

And I always say that government officials should
NEVER practice medicine.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
9. Not everybody shares our moral values, so legislating them amounts to dictating to people
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jan 2015

Legislating morality, by definition, means imposing your own morals not only on those who do share them, but also--and especially on people who don't subscribe to your idea of morality.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
22. So laws against theft have nothing to do wirth the fact its morally wrong?
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jan 2015

Seems to me many of our laws are based on some sort of moral judgement.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
23. I wish I could get my mom to see things the same way
Thu Jan 29, 2015, 05:15 AM
Jan 2015

Unfortunately she is pro-life and that bothers me, but there is nothing I can do about it.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
16. We should not use the term "pro-life"
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jan 2015

Everyone is pro-life ... we all want a good quality of life for each other.

Abortion opponents should be referred to as "anti-choice." That has quite a sting to it.

Does anyone know the number of pro-choice Republicans in the House and Senate?

UnseenUndergrad

(249 posts)
21. sigh...
Wed Jan 28, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jan 2015

And then they'll call you anti-life and more screaming will happen and both sides will slap themselves on the back and cackle in self-satisfied glee.

All the while, we have a progressive movment where reproductive autonomy has become (in many eyes on both sides) a clever and pretty lie to mask an atrocious number of feticides of varying justifiability, themselves a symptom of a society in thrall to Big Everything, Pro-elite republican corporatists playing conservative abortion-opponents for chumps, progressive abortion-skeptics (what few there are) tired of the whackos they have to share a frathouse with, and myself wondering if the lunatics on the right are tapping into something that the national Dems have seemed to have forgotten: the idea that "voting against your own best interests" has more than an economic dimension.

Alright, that's enough venting from me, but somethimes I think that (some) pro-choicers are their own worst enemy, much like many "Pro-Life" (tm) professional activists and politicos.

(HEY, we can just add a trademark symbol at the end! They can't complain as much and we can fit in commentary of various stripes!)

--(gulps as I press post)

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