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Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:31 PM

 

Iran launches Holocaust denial cartoon contest

Source: France24

An international cartoon contest has been launched in Iran around the theme of Holocaust denial, in response to French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo’s decision to publish cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed.

Holocaust denial is not uncommon in the Islamic Republic, an arch-foe of Israel, but the controversial competition is a response to the January 14 issue of Charlie Hebdo, whose cover featured a teary Prophet Mohammed holding a sign saying “Je Suis Charlie” (I am Charlie).

The three-word slogan became a rallying cry across France and much of the world in the wake of the deadly terrorist attacks on January 7 at the magazine's offices, carried out as revenge for drawings published by Charlie Hebdo that mocked the founder of Islam.

Read more: http://www.france24.com/en/20150202-iran-holocaust-denial-cartoon-contest-charlie-hebdo-cover-tehran/

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Reply Iran launches Holocaust denial cartoon contest (Original post)
7962 Feb 2015 OP
Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #1
NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #4
7962 Feb 2015 #6
Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #11
happyslug Feb 2015 #15
Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #18
happyslug Feb 2015 #19
Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #20
happyslug Feb 2015 #22
Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #23
happyslug Feb 2015 #24
Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #25
840high Feb 2015 #27
Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #2
onenote Feb 2015 #3
riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #8
Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #16
Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #21
NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #5
geek tragedy Feb 2015 #7
Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #9
rafeh1 Feb 2015 #10
leftynyc Feb 2015 #12
Archae Feb 2015 #13
happyslug Feb 2015 #17
7962 Feb 2015 #28
happyslug Feb 2015 #29
Orsino Feb 2015 #14
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #26

Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:46 PM

1. How about a cartoon of Mohammed saying "I deny the Holocaust"?

Bet they won't print that one.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:25 PM

4. I have a feeling you're right.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:05 PM

6. You win today!

 

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:42 AM

11. To take us back to the 90's...

Whoop! There it is!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:32 PM

15. They might print such a cartoon

 

The main thrust in the middle east is NOT that the holocaust did not occur, but why should MUSLIMS, AND ARABS, who had nothing to do with it, pay the cost of the holocaust by giving up land that has been Arabs for at least 2000 years? i.e why should the creation Israel, as a homeland for the Jews NOT be in Germany or Poland where the Holocaust occurred, but instead is in Palestine? A good cartoon would show a Frenchman and a German facing a Judge who ruled that since the French and Germans worked to kill off the Jews, the Arabs should be punished by having their land be taking away from them.

While the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei and the former President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad both have denied the holocaust, other Iranian Government officials have said it occurred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Bagher_Ghalibaf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Khatami

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Rouhani

One such person who said the Holocaust occurred:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Akbar_Velayati

Just a comment that such a cartoon could past in Iran. it would both acknowledge the holocaust AND point out why should Moslems and Arabs pay for what the Germans and French did (yes, I know the French did NOT run the Holocaust, but adding the French do to the assistance SOME French provided the Germans would make the cartoon more effective then just using the Germans.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:34 PM

18. Well, errrrr....... thanks for clearing that up.

I don't, actually, give too much of a shit whether the leaders of Iran "think" the Holocaust occurred or not.

The half-assed point they're trying to make about free speech falls flat, not just because they couldn't and wouldn't print a cartoon of Mohammed, but also because if they did print cartoons denying the Holocaust, no one would riot, or try to kill the people who drew them.

(And yes, for the record, I am opposed to French hate speech and holocaust denial laws, too. I prefer the clear guidance of our own 1st Amendment)

As for your sort of non-sequitur rant about Israel, here's the deal, Jack. You can debate the inherent rightness or wrongness of what went down 1920-1948 into the ground (not to mention "who was here first"-- to wit, "why should Arabs pay for Nazi Germany", why should Jews pay for what the Romans did in the 1st Century AD?) but the simple fact of the matter is, Israel exists. It's NOT going away, and demanding that Israel 'negotiate' with people whose idea of a fair settlement is "you all go to Germany, or Poland, or maybe Wyoming"... that's NOT going to happen.

And the fact that people authoritatively flatulate that noise as if it's a reasonable answer to the problem- is it any wonder why proponents of the actual peace process- which involves Jews and Arabs both living in the region, preferably in 2 states- are demoralized and have no traction in Israel right now?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:03 PM

19. I thought we were talking about HOW to make a cartoon....

 

If you want to fight the Israel-Arab wars be my guest, but all I was discussing is how such a cartoon could be drawn. I can see you would hate it, but it would also have some truth behind it (which tends to make good Political Cartoons).

My proposal was like the old joke about the Plane running out of fuel over the Ocean, the Pilot gets on the intercom and tell the passengers they had throw out all of the cargo but they near to lose more weight. A Frenchmen walked to the door and yell "Viva la France" and jumps out. The Pilot says that helps, but he still has to much weight on the plane. An Englishman walks up and says "Long live the Queen" and jumps out, the Pilot says that is fine but he still has to much weight, then a Texan get up and yells "Remember the Alamo" and throws two Mexicans out....

A good political cartoon is like a good political joke, it has a bite to it. The joke is based on the hatred of Mexicans in Texas (while Mexicans are in Texas AND were there first). My proposed cartoon would be based on the fact the Arabs had nothing to do with the Holocaust, but it was Arab lands the Jews of Europe was "Given" by those people who did kill off six million jews (you can blame the Nazis, but from an Arab point of view why should land they have held for 2000 years be given to people who have lived in Europe for 2000 years and the justification for the ARAB land being given to the Jews is compensation for what EUROPEANS did to the Jews).

AS to your comments about the Romans, so the Romans removed the Jews but that was NOT the justification for support for Jews moving to Israel, the justification was compensation for the Holocaust. something the Arabs, even if their were anti-jewish, had no part of.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:08 PM

20. You brought that up, not me.

How a cartoon would be drawn? Mechanical pencil? rapidograph? Adobe illustrator?

Please elaborate on what specific subject for a cartoon you think I would hate, despite what you say would be "some truth behind it", bearing in mind that the cartoons in question on this thread pertain to Holocaust Denial.

I'll wait.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:17 PM

22. That is easy..

 

Show a German killing Jews in the Holocaust and then a Judge saying "You can not do that" and then show the German kicking out Arabs out of Palestine, while kicking the remaining Jews out of Europe and have the Judge say that was OK for those were only Arabs not Europeans.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:21 PM

23. And i can understand why they would do that, and such a cartoon wouldnt put my nose out of joint

In the slightest.

But that wouldnt be Holocaust Denial. (Which, simultaenously, I would more roll my eyes at in an Iranian newspaper, than "hate"

The broad point here is that the Iranians are trying to make a goofy point about free speech, goofy because for one, no way could they run a cartoon picture of mohammed, and two, their holocaust denial equivalency to charlie hebdo falls flat, because no one is going to riot or kill cartoonists for making holocaust denial cartoons.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:27 PM

24. My point is NOT to denial the Holocaust, but use it

 

And some Iranians are NOT that dumb NOT to use it which is why I posted their wikipedia site.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:48 PM

25. Right, but I dont think they are trying to make a point about the Holocaust either.

Theyre trying to find an example of "here is speech that would make you as mad as mohammed cartoons make some Muslims" but it doesnt work, again, because no one will riot or kill the artists.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:19 AM

27. Unrec.

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:52 PM

2. Free speech is a two edged blade.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 07:37 PM

3. And when no one responds by killing anyone

will they understand why the attack on Charlie Hebdo was so horrifically wrong?

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Response to onenote (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:38 PM

8. Exactly. +1 nt

 

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Response to onenote (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:55 PM

16. +1

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Response to onenote (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:10 PM

21. No, because special pleading

Invisible sky friend special rules special pleading microagressions incitement own the result punching up and did I mention special pleading

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:27 PM

5. That's their right. I just wish they were as conscientious...

about all free speech.

For what it's worth, I was disgusted by the Charlie Hebdo cartoons insulting any religion, but I absolutely support their right to print them. The same goes for these disgusting cartoons, though these people should know they're making fools of themselves trying to deny well-documented historical facts.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:15 PM

7. They've done this before, trolls they are.

 

Difference of course is a small satire mag vs a sovereign state doing the taunting.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:35 PM

9. Let's see whether this results in huge riots and mass murders.

Or if those offended by such cartoons will simply roll their eyes and carry on.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:05 AM

10. the iranian cartoons are illegal in france

the iranian cartoons are illegal in france and germany. Anyone publishing them is subject to penalty and jail time. Check out author david irving.

It seems to me some one wants to ring peoples bells. Both Muslims and Jews are being provoked and prodded to react

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:03 AM

12. I'm guessing we wont

 

have to be worrying about riots and beheadings over this.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:10 AM

13. One of my relatives was stationed in Saudi Arabia for the USAF years ago.

The amount of anti-Jew propaganda staggered her, including many editions of the "Protocols."

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Response to Archae (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:09 PM

17. We are talking about Iran, not the US ally the House of Saud.

 

Remember all US allies are perfect democracies, even when they are not. Nations that oppose the US are evil Dictatorship, even if they have democratic institutions. Thus Iran which has contested elections, is a "Dictatorship" even as its replaces its Presidents (and, Yes, Iran has a "Supreme Leader" he can also be replaced through the method is a little harder. On the other hand the "Supreme leader" has no authority on day to day running of Government, his job is to provide an overall guidance to the country.

As to the "Protocols of Zion", while available in Iran, does NOT seems to be something the Iran Government ACTIVELY support. Statements that the Protocols are forgeries are also avalible in Iran:

In April 2004, the Iranian television station Al-Alam broadcast Al-Sameri wa Al-Saher, a series that reported as fact several conspiracy theories about the Holocaust, Jewish control of Hollywood, and the Protocols.[15] The Iran Pavilion of the 2005 Frankfurt Book Fair had the Protocols, as well as The International Jew available.[16] In 2008 The Secret of Armageddon, an Iranian TV "documentary" claiming that "a Jewish Plan for the Genocide of Humanity," includes a conspiracy for the takeover of Iran by local Jewish and Bahá'í communities was based on the Protocols.[17]

On the other hand, Iranian author Abdollah Shahbazi, known for his historical reports of several important events of Iran's history, has denied the authenticity of the Protocols officially on his website and has referred to several international investigations as the basis of his claim.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_imprints_of_The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#Iran


On the other hand The protocols are taught in Schools in Saudi Arabia:

According to Freedom House 2006 report, Saudi "textbook for boys for Tenth Grade on Hadith and Islamic Culture contains a lesson on the "Zionist Movement." It is a curious blend of wild conspiracy theories about Masonic Lodges, Rotary Clubs, and Lions Clubs with antisemitic invective. It asserts that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is an authentic document and teaches students that it reveals what Jews really believe. It blames many of the world's wars and discord on the Jews."[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contemporary_imprints_of_The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion#Saudi_Arabia

http://web.archive.org/web/20060823125127/http://www.freedomhouse.org/religion/pdfdocs/KSAtextbooks06.pdf


Yes, it is permitted to say the Protocols are forgeries in Iran, but NOT in Saudi Arabia.

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Response to happyslug (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:20 AM

28. Nice to see we have DUers willing to support Iran's right to perpetuate bullshit

 

Along with a lot of the muslim world.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:15 PM

29. All I was pointing out was Iran is an more open and fair country then that US ally Saudi Arabia

 

Iran has its problems, but if you look deep it is less then the problems in Arabia.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:09 AM

14. Misspelled "cartoonish." n/t

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:49 PM

26. This is not the government of Iran.

 

It appears to be the work of two Iranian cultural institutions: "The competition in Iran has been launched by the Tehran-based House of Cartoon and the Sarcheshmeh Cultural Complex, the Iranian newspaper Tehran Times reported over the weekend."

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