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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:45 PM Feb 2015

GOP Senator: Don't Force Employees To Wash Their Hands After Using Toilet

Source: TalkingPointsMemo.com

In a week packed with news over concerns for public health, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) described his own history of opposing certain health and hygiene regulations, including those that require employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom.

During a Q&A at the Bipartisan Policy Center on Monday, Tillis related a story from his time in the state legislature in 2010, complaining that the U.S. is "one of the most regulated nations in the history of the planet," video via C-SPAN shows.

“I was having a discussion with someone, and we were at a Starbucks in my district, and we were talking about certain regulations where I felt like ‘maybe you should allow businesses to opt out,'" the senator said.

Tillis said his interlocutor was in disbelief, and asked whether he thought businesses should be allowed to "opt out" of requiring employees to wash their hands after using the restroom.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/thom-tillis-washing-hands-toilet



If he thinks washing your hands is government intrusion, he better hope his open heart surgeon doesn't think like him.
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GOP Senator: Don't Force Employees To Wash Their Hands After Using Toilet (Original Post) meegbear Feb 2015 OP
Libertarians are idiots AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #1
this is what complete intellectual bankruptcy looks like TimeToEvolve Feb 2015 #47
+1 Liberalynn Feb 2015 #99
+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #101
+ another Scuba Feb 2015 #115
He sounds like a boogie-picker to me. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #126
1+ riversedge Feb 2015 #142
They may not be as big of idiots as you think. zeemike Feb 2015 #51
WTF? Trajan Feb 2015 #107
Regulations I strongly support. zeemike Feb 2015 #110
Will they be pushing those buttons after using the restroom and NOT washing their hands? Ken Burch Feb 2015 #123
No they are pushing the buttons by making you think that they might. zeemike Feb 2015 #127
Agreed...and the trap they set is only a sophisticated one if you're an abject morAn... Volaris Feb 2015 #134
You give them WAY too much credit to concoct that scheme. George II Feb 2015 #121
Yep.eom Cleita Feb 2015 #63
+1 Enthusiast Feb 2015 #100
DIS - GUS - TING leftieNanner Feb 2015 #137
...he better hope his open heart surgeon doesn't think like him. ZING!!!!!!! nt MADem Feb 2015 #2
But if the surgeon kills a patient, he'll be put out of business by the Free Market... brooklynite Feb 2015 #40
That surgeon will blame the poor surgical nurse, or the bum sterlizing the equipment!! MADem Feb 2015 #50
Can always count on you to say something like this CreekDog Feb 2015 #124
If youy can't interpret sarcasm, perhaps you shouldn't be here... brooklynite Feb 2015 #129
What a moron, but he has a point.... George II Feb 2015 #3
WHOA - LOL Iliyah Feb 2015 #10
New menu item....Bugger Burger. yourout Feb 2015 #37
From Booger King? n/t RoccoR5955 Feb 2015 #70
You said booger! csziggy Feb 2015 #91
A local Arbys worker served a shit sandwich to a state cop, Pathwalker Feb 2015 #88
Was he prosecuted because he forgot to put powdered sugar on it? George II Feb 2015 #122
No AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #154
There are government regulations one can reasonably object to Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2015 #143
I would opt out from eating at a place that opts out on handwashing Kalidurga Feb 2015 #4
But how would you know they'd opt out of hand washing? Moonwalk Feb 2015 #23
They would be required to disclose it hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #95
As one of the comments states: billh58 Feb 2015 #109
Agreed. What's the difference? If the market says that people won't visit places where no one washes Moonwalk Feb 2015 #155
That is... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #5
Ewwww demigoddess Feb 2015 #6
Fine with me Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #7
That was my thought as well. Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #67
That's exactly what he said. Sounds like you agree. hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #96
This tweet ID's the stupid Senator--tweet it .... riversedge Feb 2015 #8
tweeted, thank you yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #42
In solidarity riversedge Feb 2015 #103
un! yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #138
Eating at a Starbucks and thought of this? You might want to examine your bagel, jtuck004 Feb 2015 #9
you nearly owed me a keyboard. did you ever watch series 4 of "blackadder"? niyad Feb 2015 #12
Lol. I see some of it on youtube, I will have to go watch a bit. jtuck004 Feb 2015 #19
To all those working at the DC K Street restaurants. Please don't wash your hands after shitting. L0oniX Feb 2015 #11
+1 - and if you have an infectious disease erronis Feb 2015 #120
"Hand-washing compliance" alcina Feb 2015 #13
reminds me of the days when the "medical" profession thought that hand-washing was niyad Feb 2015 #17
Seriously? alcina Feb 2015 #20
I wish I were joking. seriously, the rancor of the "doctors" against dr. semmelweiss and niyad Feb 2015 #29
Bonesetters and herbalists alcina Feb 2015 #46
Book rec! The doctors' plague : germs, childbed fever, and the strange story of Ignác Semmelweis eppur_se_muova Feb 2015 #31
Another book rec for a novel... Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #68
I heard that story catchnrelease Feb 2015 #85
There's an app for that! cyberswede Feb 2015 #150
Whoa!!!! alcina Feb 2015 #151
It pains me to agree with him. He's right. The market will take care of it. Autumn Feb 2015 #14
I hope the other outcome is that his collegues now refuse to shake his hand. kentauros Feb 2015 #24
Wait so he's for a government mandate to post a sign about not washing their hands? denverbill Feb 2015 #32
Confusing isn't it. Autumn Feb 2015 #39
.... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #15
contact info for this cretin (and, thom, will have to decline any invitations to dine with you) niyad Feb 2015 #16
thom terrific niyad Feb 2015 #18
Remind me not to shake hands with him Sanity Claws Feb 2015 #21
Why stop there? bvf Feb 2015 #22
yet they have no trouble regulating a woman's uterus central scrutinizer Feb 2015 #25
Gross - Don't eat at a restaurant in North Carolina dem in texas Feb 2015 #26
Fine, just hang a sign, "Employees are NOT required to wash hands after using the bathroom" tridim Feb 2015 #27
Sure, then everyone can go back to dying from infections shenmue Feb 2015 #28
I don't want to tell you where my thoughts went with this post! Paper Roses Feb 2015 #30
USA crappy food safety regulations are why some countries do NOT even want USA products. Sunlei Feb 2015 #33
And frequent handwashing helps prevent transmission of viruses and germs that CTyankee Feb 2015 #34
I would opt out of going into any restaurant that opted out of the hand washing rule. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #35
meegbear Diclotican Feb 2015 #36
..Probably doesn't use Toilet Paper either. PeoViejo Feb 2015 #38
What a complete dymshits VA_Jill Feb 2015 #41
Looneytarians are a special sort of stupid Major Nikon Feb 2015 #43
"Hi Paul, Thom Tillis here...listen, I've having a picnic with all my friends this Sat. in.... BlueJazz Feb 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2015 #45
Warning! Don't EVER shake this guy's hand! SoapBox Feb 2015 #48
... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2015 #49
This statement says it all, there is nothing more to say about him and his tolerence by Republicans. gordianot Feb 2015 #52
Thank you Senator Filth Blue Owl Feb 2015 #53
Well, to be fair, I think Obama did mention the importance of mountain grammy Feb 2015 #54
Question, is the US really one of the most regulated countries? WHEN CRABS ROAR Feb 2015 #55
Thom Tillis proud to display his all-out stupidness!!! TRoN33 Feb 2015 #56
Eat shit and die, Thom. DemoTex Feb 2015 #57
You stole my thought in your Duval Feb 2015 #79
This is what happens when ideology rules your life. louis-t Feb 2015 #58
+1 harun Feb 2015 #148
Now I truly understand Republicans and more so the Libertarians......... mrmpa Feb 2015 #59
What a great idea, Senator Dumbass. catbyte Feb 2015 #60
As important as things like vaccines and antibiotics are, SheilaT Feb 2015 #61
I wish I could prepare a meal for the senator! nt Plucketeer Feb 2015 #62
NC: El Shaman Feb 2015 #64
Nostalgic for the Black Death, is he? Teutonic Samuel Feb 2015 #65
How do you think Typhoid Mary spread the disease? dem in texas Feb 2015 #83
A new nickname catchnrelease Feb 2015 #87
I would def not shake hands with this dumbass senator wordpix Feb 2015 #66
Note to self: do not eat in restaurants in North Carolina. Vinca Feb 2015 #69
Funny story. Manifest Destiny Feb 2015 #71
More "my body, my choice"? Stupid anti-soapers. n/t Beartracks Feb 2015 #72
Senator would you like a sandwich with a side of feces..... Historic NY Feb 2015 #73
I agree with the Senator OldRedneck Feb 2015 #74
All I ask is for the chance to wipe my ass with my bare hand... DRoseDARs Feb 2015 #75
Let me tell you a story about employee not washing his hands....... mrmpa Feb 2015 #76
Absolutely brilliant. 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #97
For a second I thought this was from The Onion. maddogesq Feb 2015 #77
They Rs are not satisfied with a healthcare plan that says "Die fast" but now they want to help you jwirr Feb 2015 #78
Sen. Tillis eats a steady diet of feces-soise. bulloney Feb 2015 #80
Didn't realize the Fecal Coliform lobby was so strong in NC. n/t JBoy Feb 2015 #81
ewwww I won't shake hands with that dude vlyons Feb 2015 #82
Would you like a side order of our famous house, Hubert Flottz Feb 2015 #84
Congratulations, North Carolina. BlueStater Feb 2015 #86
We fought long and hard CRK7376 Feb 2015 #131
IDIOCRACY isn't just a movie anymore!!!!! benld74 Feb 2015 #89
Gives a whole new meaning to a Mocha Venti at *bucks! benld74 Feb 2015 #90
These fuc**** are batshit insane! workinclasszero Feb 2015 #92
WTH is wrong with these people??? tanyev Feb 2015 #93
I guess he's good with Hepatitis? Ilsa Feb 2015 #94
Without Googling to find out what it is... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #98
Long Live Typhoid Mary libodem Feb 2015 #102
beyond belief but then look at the interpretation of the second amendment samsingh Feb 2015 #104
Bet he opposes paid sick days, too Panich52 Feb 2015 #105
I would bet he expects better from his servers. chknltl Feb 2015 #106
Still need regulation ThoughtCriminal Feb 2015 #108
So, he'd just replace one regulation with another one. skypilot Feb 2015 #111
Samuel J Samueljakiira1 Feb 2015 #112
The senator said he'd be fine with...businesses (being) allowed to "opt out" rocktivity Feb 2015 #113
Resturants everywhere: pay attention 47of74 Feb 2015 #118
Today's Republicans are examples of humans de-evolving. neverforget Feb 2015 #114
I have always considered notices indivisibleman Feb 2015 #116
The sign will be one by three inches on the ceiling in faint print douggg Feb 2015 #117
The stupid not only burns but it also doesn't wash its hands after dropping a giant duce. 47of74 Feb 2015 #119
The people that wrote the bible and made up all the other religious doctrines didn't know brewens Feb 2015 #125
Not true. Most Hindus are fastidiously clean demwing Feb 2015 #147
Gross. Just gross. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #128
This is the pseudo-religious, bigoted Rupublicans' latest salvo copperearth Feb 2015 #130
So, let's just be clear... brooklynite Feb 2015 #132
Ah, yet another "market based solution" Zambero Feb 2015 #133
Ah. Republicans yearn for the good old days before Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" Kablooie Feb 2015 #135
So, basically . . . Exhibit A Feb 2015 #136
An epidemic Turbineguy Feb 2015 #139
what a dumbass. blackspade Feb 2015 #140
If they "opt out" they should post a sign "Our Employees Do Not Wash Their McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #141
It is so embarrassing that this nitwit was sent to the US Senate from NC. mnhtnbb Feb 2015 #144
Oh, come on, people! tavernier Feb 2015 #145
Would he mind if I shake it on his salad? demwing Feb 2015 #146
See how this works as a free market solution HoosierCowboy Feb 2015 #149
Now hand washing, next ebola epidemic in DC? mwooldri Feb 2015 #152
Another idea: send a whole lot of hand sanitizer and soap to his office. mwooldri Feb 2015 #153
So Republicans aren't just pro-measles; they're also pro-salmonella and E-coli? LeftishBrit Feb 2015 #156
Let's see how that Fuck Tard likes getting food poisoning from fecal contamination. . .. BigDemVoter Feb 2015 #157
I always thought a lot of Gopers Third Doctor Feb 2015 #158
One more link mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2015 #159

TimeToEvolve

(303 posts)
47. this is what complete intellectual bankruptcy looks like
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:06 PM
Feb 2015

the fact that this country's people don't find this to be odious and unacceptable proves how ignorant and out of touch with reality the average american is. You can't blame them though, i like to think that people do the best they can based on the information they have, the corporate media empire keeps them stupid and servile through vapid news & tv shows, national sports, movies full of sensationalized bullshit, and shopping mall culture.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
51. They may not be as big of idiots as you think.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:13 PM
Feb 2015

This is bait.
Now I suppose we should all be for CCTV cameras in the bathroom to make sure everyone washes their hands...thus proving the meme that the right says all the time that we are nannies who always want to force people to do things with government regulations.

Don't let them suck you in.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
107. WTF?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:11 PM
Feb 2015

Sorry, but right is right, and regulations requiring restaurant and food prep workers to wash their hands after using the restroom are a MINIMUM ...

I do not fear those idiots ... I greatly doubt anyone who speaks out are going to get swallowed by a sophisticated conservative trap ... don't be silly

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
110. Regulations I strongly support.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:28 PM
Feb 2015

But you don't understand how you are being played...they want to push your buttons...that is the whole point, to push your buttons and to get you to speak out...and hopefully as angry as possible. That is the reason they say outrageous things...to cause outrage.

You need not fear them, just avoid playing their game...and it is a game.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
123. Will they be pushing those buttons after using the restroom and NOT washing their hands?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 11:47 PM
Feb 2015

Volaris

(11,656 posts)
134. Agreed...and the trap they set is only a sophisticated one if you're an abject morAn...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 01:30 AM
Feb 2015

the rest of us just roll our eyes and wonder who the hell votes for these intellectual inbreds.

leftieNanner

(16,154 posts)
137. DIS - GUS - TING
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:40 AM
Feb 2015

I work in the food industry (gluten free baker) and hand washing is absolute.

Fucking idiot.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
40. But if the surgeon kills a patient, he'll be put out of business by the Free Market...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:54 PM
Feb 2015

Probelm solved.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. That surgeon will blame the poor surgical nurse, or the bum sterlizing the equipment!!
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:08 PM
Feb 2015

It wasn't MYYYYY poopy paws...it was that nurse's!!!!!!

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
124. Can always count on you to say something like this
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:03 AM
Feb 2015

Problem not solved.

A person would have to die to "solve" the problem.



George II

(67,782 posts)
3. What a moron, but he has a point....
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:50 PM
Feb 2015

....isn't there an amendment in the constitution that give people freedom from washing hands?

What's next, allowing KFC employees to urinate on the chickens? Chefs allowed to cough in the bouillabaisse? Burger King allows their employees to form the burgers in their armpits?

Where do these "people" come from?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
10. WHOA - LOL
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:03 PM
Feb 2015

How about a restaurant employee dig in his/her nose before preparing the asshole's food huh. Better yet, how about the employee serve him right after taking a dump without "gloves" since that should not be required as well.

Hypocrite!

Pathwalker

(6,603 posts)
88. A local Arbys worker served a shit sandwich to a state cop,
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:01 PM
Feb 2015

stopped laughing when he was sentenced to 2 years in prison. But it was "just a joke..."

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,477 posts)
143. There are government regulations one can reasonably object to
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:08 AM
Feb 2015

But "Food service employees must was their hands after using the toilet" isn't one of them.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. I would opt out from eating at a place that opts out on handwashing
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:51 PM
Feb 2015

but I doubt any restaraunt would do that, this is a stupid issue. Also if I knew Thom Tillis I would encourage people to not shake hands with him ewwwwwwwww.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
23. But how would you know they'd opt out of hand washing?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:30 PM
Feb 2015

Let me say, it's one of the joys of living in California that it's what this guy would call over-regulated when it comes to the restaurant business. Yeah, it's nightmarish to open one here, and restaurant owners go through perhaps more than they should over it, with a great deal of stress and money in creating the place and keeping it up to standards. BUT I no longer see filth and roaches in restaurants, even the cheap/old ones. Inspectors drop in all the time and if the kitchen isn't clean, the food properly handled, the hands washed (or protective gloves worn), the sign in the window rates them low or, if really bad, they're closed down. Patrons, in true libertarian fashion, go into those with the high rating from the health department, and so other restaurants tend to work harder to get such a rating. But what really matters is that they will be closed down if they're not up to a certain level.

This guy is an idiot if he thinks he's being pro-business by saying this. What evident in CA is that places that get the most patrons are the ones with the "A" rating from the health inspector.

hugo_from_TN

(1,069 posts)
95. They would be required to disclose it
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:49 PM
Feb 2015

The senator said he'd be fine with it, so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."

“I said: ‘I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as they post a sign that says “We don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restroom,” Tillis said.

“The market will take care of that," he added, to laughter from the audience.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
109. As one of the comments states:
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:15 PM
Feb 2015

"So he won't regulate hand-washing, but will require signage." Ignorant hypocrite...

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
155. Agreed. What's the difference? If the market says that people won't visit places where no one washes
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 06:42 PM
Feb 2015

...then the sign is, essentially, regulating people into making employees wash their hands to get business. So...six of one, right? You regulate the hand washing either way.

3catwoman3

(29,256 posts)
5. That is...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:51 PM
Feb 2015

...completely disgusting.

I wouldn't shake his hand either, and not just because of his hygiene beliefs (or lack thereof, more like it).

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
7. Fine with me
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015

As long as you post several HUGE signs stating that your employees are NOT required to wash their hands after they wipe their asses.

And say goodbye to your business, while you're at it.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
67. That was my thought as well.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 03:12 PM
Feb 2015

Let them "opt out", but have a giant sign on the door.

Then I realized, well shit, that is another regulation that would be a burden on society. We can't win.

hugo_from_TN

(1,069 posts)
96. That's exactly what he said. Sounds like you agree.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:50 PM
Feb 2015

The senator said he'd be fine with it, so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."

“I said: ‘I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as they post a sign that says “We don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restroom,” Tillis said.

“The market will take care of that," he added, to laughter from the audience.

riversedge

(80,586 posts)
8. This tweet ID's the stupid Senator--tweet it ....
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:59 PM
Feb 2015


@GOP Senator Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC): Don't Force Employees To Wash Their Hands After Using Toilet http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/thom-tillis-washing-hands-toilet Lordy lordy! #p2
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
9. Eating at a Starbucks and thought of this? You might want to examine your bagel,
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:00 PM
Feb 2015

those dark spots might not be sesame seeds. Are those your supporters behind the counter?

niyad

(131,920 posts)
12. you nearly owed me a keyboard. did you ever watch series 4 of "blackadder"?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:04 PM
Feb 2015

there is a scene in one of the episodes where baldrick is telling blackadder what is actually in the "coffee" and treats he has been eating for some time--trust me, you don't want to know!!

actually, from baldrick's "cooking" for captain blackadder, with resources running low:

Private Baldrick's hobbies include cookery, his specialities include:

Rat au Van (a rat that's been run over by a van),
Filet mignon in Sauce Bearnaise (dog turds covered in glue),
Plum duff (a mole hill decorated in rabbit droppings),
Cream custard (cat's vomit),
Coffee (hot mud), with milk (spit), sugar (dandruff) and rather dubious 'chocolate sprinkles' (try and guess what that one is) .
Apple crumble which contains fish
More rat; sautée, which involves:
taking the freshly shaved rat and marinading it in a puddle (When Blackadder asks how long it should be 'marinated' for, the reply is 'till it's drowned')
stretching it out under a hot lightbulb
getting within dashing distance of a latrine
scoffing it right down!
Rat fricassée, which is the same as above, but a slightly bigger rat.

(this series takes place in the trenches during wwI--one of the best anti-war pieces ever)

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
19. Lol. I see some of it on youtube, I will have to go watch a bit.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:21 PM
Feb 2015

Thank you for that.

Rat fricassée, which is the same as above, but a slightly bigger rat.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
11. To all those working at the DC K Street restaurants. Please don't wash your hands after shitting.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:04 PM
Feb 2015

erronis

(23,644 posts)
120. +1 - and if you have an infectious disease
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:15 PM
Feb 2015

Make sure you don't get vaccinated. I'm sure the anti-vac republicans like to eat pretty well also.

Having spent a few years around K Street I've learned that many of the working people have a decidedly negative feeling about the porkers. If I was a grifter/lobbyist, I'd not want to know what that sauce was on top of the steak.

alcina

(602 posts)
13. "Hand-washing compliance"
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:05 PM
Feb 2015

My partner recently started working for a medical centre that shall remain nameless, and one of his first goals was to increase hand-washing compliance. At the most recent review, it was up to 93%. Personally, I think that's about 7% too low. But he told me that at the review prior to his initiative, the number was in the mid-30s. He said that this is a serious issue at hospitals all over the US and Canada. Yikes.

niyad

(131,920 posts)
17. reminds me of the days when the "medical" profession thought that hand-washing was
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:15 PM
Feb 2015

a practice of the devil.

alcina

(602 posts)
20. Seriously?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:26 PM
Feb 2015

I suppose I shouldn't be at all surprised.

I recently came across this NPR story about a doctor who championed hand-washing in the 1800s. Interesting history with a sad ending for the doctor.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/01/12/375663920/the-doctor-who-championed-hand-washing-and-saved-women-s-lives

niyad

(131,920 posts)
29. I wish I were joking. seriously, the rancor of the "doctors" against dr. semmelweiss and
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:37 PM
Feb 2015

the midwives and other practitioners was nearly along the lines of a holy war.

have you ever read "nurses, midwives and witches: a history of women healers"? by barbara ehrenreich and deirdre english. stunning. I had the privilege of meeting them shortly after its original publication.

google the title, and you can read a free excerpt from feminist press in pdf.

various books of fiction set in the 1800's make reference to the ongoing debate between modern thinking, and doctors who refused to believe in handwashing and hygiene. many women died in childbirth because these doctors would go straight from dealing with an infected person (or corpse) to delivering babies, without washing.

alcina

(602 posts)
46. Bonesetters and herbalists
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:06 PM
Feb 2015

I read a book many years ago about the AMA's war against bonesetters and herbalists, but it was not the book you mention. I've read Nickel and Dimed and several of Barbara Ehrenreich's articles, so I'll definitely put this one on my list.

There's a quiet battle taking place at my partner's place of work. They deal a lot with pain management, and there's a doctor there who is heavily involved in finding herbal treatment alternatives to the prescription drugs. Needless to say, there's a lot of pushback from the other allopaths. On the plus side, many of the doctors are less opposed to incorporating medical marijuana into the treatment plan. Just wait until they find out it's an herb!

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
68. Another book rec for a novel...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 03:15 PM
Feb 2015

Testimony of Two Men by Taylor Caldwell. It is about a new doctor at that time when it was just starting to be known about sanitary conditions for doctors.

catchnrelease

(2,151 posts)
85. I heard that story
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:44 PM
Feb 2015

It was very interesting. So many women and children could have been saved if they had listened to that dr re washing hands when attending births.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
150. There's an app for that!
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:08 AM
Feb 2015


iScrub 1.5 Lite is a free hand hygiene application for the Apple iPhone/iPod Touch. You may download the app directly from the iTunes app store via your device or by clicking here and installing throught iTunes.

http://compepi.cs.uiowa.edu/iscrub/

alcina

(602 posts)
151. Whoa!!!!
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:27 AM
Feb 2015

I believe iScrub is going to have quite a few new customers by the end of today. Thanks!

Autumn

(48,939 posts)
14. It pains me to agree with him. He's right. The market will take care of it.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:06 PM
Feb 2015

The customers will shut that shit right down by not going there.


“I said: ‘I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as they post a sign that says “We don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restroom,” Tillis said.

“The market will take care of that," he added, to laughter from the audience.







kentauros

(29,414 posts)
24. I hope the other outcome is that his collegues now refuse to shake his hand.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:32 PM
Feb 2015

Perhaps some of them could start carrying those hand-wipe packets with them to toss him one before they shake

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
32. Wait so he's for a government mandate to post a sign about not washing their hands?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Feb 2015

How is that better than a government mandate requiring them to wash their hands?

niyad

(131,920 posts)
16. contact info for this cretin (and, thom, will have to decline any invitations to dine with you)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:13 PM
Feb 2015

Washington, D.C. Office

G55 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: (202) 224-6342
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State Offices

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1520 South Boulevard
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Charlotte, NC 28203
Phone: (704) 334-2448
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Greenville, NC 27858
Phone: (252) 329-0371
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Sanity Claws

(22,403 posts)
21. Remind me not to shake hands with him
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:27 PM
Feb 2015

If he thinks washing hands after using the toilet is onerous, he probably skips handwashing himself.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
22. Why stop there?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:29 PM
Feb 2015

Don't force employees to use the actual toilet when taking a dump.

Post signs warning patrons that employees may elect to shit on the prep counters.

Let the market do its work.

Gad, the idiocy!


dem in texas

(2,681 posts)
26. Gross - Don't eat at a restaurant in North Carolina
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:34 PM
Feb 2015

Tillis opens his mouth and stupid comes out!

tridim

(45,358 posts)
27. Fine, just hang a sign, "Employees are NOT required to wash hands after using the bathroom"
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:36 PM
Feb 2015

See how long the place stays in business.

It's the libertarian way!!!1

shenmue

(38,595 posts)
28. Sure, then everyone can go back to dying from infections
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:37 PM
Feb 2015

like in the hospitals, before they used soap.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. USA crappy food safety regulations are why some countries do NOT even want USA products.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:43 PM
Feb 2015

elected republicans ruin our entire country with their crazy personal eccentricities.

Thom Tillis keep your filthy hands on only your personal food.

CTyankee

(68,105 posts)
34. And frequent handwashing helps prevent transmission of viruses and germs that
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:45 PM
Feb 2015

cause other health problems. I'm in the habit of washing my hands after I come in from running errands. And before I start preparing any food.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
36. meegbear
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:50 PM
Feb 2015

meegbear

He deserve to get a serious case of food poison and then came back and tell if washing hands is something that should be important...

This fellow is just stupid - but so is also many who vote him in...

Diclotican

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
38. ..Probably doesn't use Toilet Paper either.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:53 PM
Feb 2015

..notice the extra-long brown fingernail...

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
44. "Hi Paul, Thom Tillis here...listen, I've having a picnic with all my friends this Sat. in....
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:04 PM
Feb 2015

...the back yard..come on over!"

"Ah...well...oh Saturday??..Damn, I have to wash my hair that day. We'll meet up soon though"

"Honey, who was that??"
"Mr. E-Coli, asking us to eat with him"
(Wife starts puking)

Response to meegbear (Original post)

gordianot

(15,768 posts)
52. This statement says it all, there is nothing more to say about him and his tolerence by Republicans.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:14 PM
Feb 2015

mountain grammy

(28,973 posts)
54. Well, to be fair, I think Obama did mention the importance of
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:18 PM
Feb 2015

hand washing for health at some point in his presidency, so there's that...

Somewhere in the Constitution, I think promoting good health is an impeachable offense.

There can be no other explanation for the Senator's stand.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
55. Question, is the US really one of the most regulated countries?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:20 PM
Feb 2015

Is that why coal mine operators haven't payed fines for safety violations?
Plenty of evidence shows that regulations and inspections aren't being followed.

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
56. Thom Tillis proud to display his all-out stupidness!!!
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:21 PM
Feb 2015

I wonder if this idiot bear the confederate flag on his butt too?

louis-t

(24,605 posts)
58. This is what happens when ideology rules your life.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:31 PM
Feb 2015

Facts and common sense mean nothing. Libertarians are slaves to their ideology.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
59. Now I truly understand Republicans and more so the Libertarians.........
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:34 PM
Feb 2015

in regard to Public Health. Let people opt out of things that protect public health i.e. vaccines and hand washing, so that infections will run rampant throughout the population, therefore dwindling the population to those who are "strong" enough to survive. The undernourished, sickly, homeless (the lower socioeconomic groups) will slowly be abolished from this country.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
61. As important as things like vaccines and antibiotics are,
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:42 PM
Feb 2015

the most important thing in public health really is hand-washing. If we wash our hands regularly, especially after using the toilet, it vastly reduces the incidence of all sorts of diseases.

The business with Dr. Semmelweiss has already been mentioned in this thread, and anyone who doesn't already know about him needs to learn.

Historic NY

(39,964 posts)
73. Senator would you like a sandwich with a side of feces.....
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:09 PM
Feb 2015

these guys want to go back to the dark ages.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
74. I agree with the Senator
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:16 PM
Feb 2015

I agree with Senator Dumbass . . . and let's start by de-regulating the House and Senate cafeterias . . . take out the soap and towels . . . what the hell, replace the toilet paper with corn cobs . . . Tillis being from NC should appreciate that.

Greatgodalmighty -- do Republicans take Stupid Pills daily, or, does one dose last for a week?



mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
76. Let me tell you a story about employee not washing his hands.......
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:26 PM
Feb 2015

A good friend (now deceased) related this to me. His younger brother was at a Wendy's and used the bathroom. A Wendy's Manager also used the bathroom & neglected to wash his hands.

My friend's brother then went in line and ordered about $35 worth of food, he saw the manger working removing food from the grill, putting condiments on the burgers, etc. He paid for the food & when it was given to him, he loudly stated "I want my money back because he (pointing to the offender) did not wash his hands after doing his business in the bathroom". He was given his money back & watched as people left the line and few customers who were in the dining room approached the cashier for refunds.

maddogesq

(1,248 posts)
77. For a second I thought this was from The Onion.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:33 PM
Feb 2015

Alas, the stupidity abounds. It just boggles the mind...

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
78. They Rs are not satisfied with a healthcare plan that says "Die fast" but now they want to help you
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:36 PM
Feb 2015

get sick.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
84. Would you like a side order of our famous house,
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:42 PM
Feb 2015

dingle berry cheesecake with that? And please do try our garlic butt butter with your TexASS toast.

Pardon me, do you have any brown pooupon?

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
86. Congratulations, North Carolina.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:48 PM
Feb 2015

This is who you replaced Kay Hagan with. You must be so proud.

CRK7376

(2,227 posts)
131. We fought long and hard
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:46 AM
Feb 2015

to keep Kay Hagan in office and it looked good until election day. Then we were sunk by this idiot. Once again my district and my state hammered by the stupid gene. First Jesse, then Foxx and now this clown…..it hurts so much.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
92. These fuc**** are batshit insane!
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:40 PM
Feb 2015

What next from teabag/randian/republicans?

Kids should be encouraged to play in traffic because...freedumb???

Ilsa

(64,287 posts)
94. I guess he's good with Hepatitis?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:43 PM
Feb 2015

I suppose he can order himself up a new liver like Cheney got a new heart.

3catwoman3

(29,256 posts)
98. Without Googling to find out what it is...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:08 PM
Feb 2015

...I'm pretty sure this doofus' name has shown up on DU before for saying stupid shit (pun intended).

libodem

(19,288 posts)
102. Long Live Typhoid Mary
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:27 PM
Feb 2015

The oral/fecal route of disease transmission has been well established despite this current anti-science climate.


Are all repukes dunderheads? Or are they just lobbied to play them in Congress?

samsingh

(18,398 posts)
104. beyond belief but then look at the interpretation of the second amendment
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:35 PM
Feb 2015

and the guns out of control saga

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
105. Bet he opposes paid sick days, too
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:45 PM
Feb 2015

Foid servers, esp need those sick days ,- at least the customers need them.

And he's probably an anti-vaxxer. Ebola, now measles... damn GOP is spreading their disdain for science to branches of medicine other than women's health. Fuckin troglodytes.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
106. I would bet he expects better from his servers.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:59 PM
Feb 2015

The good Senator should be asked if it is ok for those who serve him to be equally unsanitary. Nuff said.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,720 posts)
108. Still need regulation
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:14 PM
Feb 2015

Any food serving establishment that chooses to opt out should be required to place a large sign on the front door:

OUR EMPLOYEES ARE NOT REQUIRED TO WASH HANDS AFTER USING THE TOILET.

also:

OUR MEAT HAS NOT BEEN INSPECTED.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WAS SPRAYED ON OUR VEGETABLES.

PARDON OUR COUGHING. WE FIRE EMPLOYEES WHO CALL IN SICK.

OUR HEALTH CODE RATING IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

---

You know that libertarians will provide all the business they need.

skypilot

(9,120 posts)
111. So, he'd just replace one regulation with another one.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:43 PM
Feb 2015

A company could opt out of mandating that employees wash their hands but the company would have to notify the public in advertising, employment literature and signage. Fucking stupid.

rocktivity

(45,006 posts)
113. The senator said he'd be fine with...businesses (being) allowed to "opt out"
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:06 PM
Feb 2015
of requiring employees to wash their hands after using the restroom...so long as businesses made this clear in "advertising" and "employment literature."

“I said: ‘I don’t have any problem with Starbucks if they choose to opt out of this policy as long as they post a sign that says “We don’t require our employees to wash their hands after leaving the restroom,”' Tillis said.

“The market will take care of that," he added, to laughter from the audience.


Newsflash, senator -- they weren't laughing WITH you. But you're darned right about the market "taking care" -- taking care of putting Starbucks right out of business!


rocktivity
 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
118. Resturants everywhere: pay attention
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:03 PM
Feb 2015

If your employees don't wash after taking a shit I don't patronize your business. It's that simple.

indivisibleman

(482 posts)
116. I have always considered notices
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:34 PM
Feb 2015

that announce that employees wash their hands or must wash their hands after using the restroom as demeaning and insulting.
If your employees don't know enough to wash their hands after using the restroom what else don't they know about cleanliness. This idea that employees should be treated like children permeates much of corporate America and I am sick and tired of it. Treat someone with respect and you will get respect, treat someone like a child and you will get a child.

douggg

(239 posts)
117. The sign will be one by three inches on the ceiling in faint print
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:02 PM
Feb 2015

because there will be no regulations about its size and placement.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
119. The stupid not only burns but it also doesn't wash its hands after dropping a giant duce.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 10:14 PM
Feb 2015
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
125. The people that wrote the bible and made up all the other religious doctrines didn't know
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:04 AM
Feb 2015

to wash their hands after they took a crap. Good enough for them, I guess it's good enough for Tillis?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
147. Not true. Most Hindus are fastidiously clean
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:31 AM
Feb 2015

and bathe after using the toilette and before cooking

copperearth

(117 posts)
130. This is the pseudo-religious, bigoted Rupublicans' latest salvo
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:38 AM
Feb 2015

This is the pseudo-religious, bigoted Rupublicans' latest salvo in their never-ending desire to kill off the "undesirables" in the population.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
132. So, let's just be clear...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:52 AM
Feb 2015

Regulation requiring you to tell your employees to wash their hands: BAD

Regulation requiring you to notify your customers that you DON'T tell your employees to wash their hands: GOOD

Glad he was able to clear that up.

Zambero

(9,974 posts)
133. Ah, yet another "market based solution"
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 01:15 AM
Feb 2015

So if you go to a restaurant and wind up getting a hepatitis A infection, you're obviously not a very good capitalist, and that's just God's way of punishing you.

Kablooie

(19,103 posts)
135. Ah. Republicans yearn for the good old days before Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:24 AM
Feb 2015

The government has no business insuring that people stay healthy.
People should be free to get sick and die and businesses have a right to make people get sick and die.
That's just basic American freedom.

Exhibit A

(318 posts)
136. So, basically . . .
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 02:32 AM
Feb 2015

The current crop of Republicans are still functioning at the level of small children who don't see why they should have to take a bath. Great.

Turbineguy

(39,997 posts)
139. An epidemic
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 03:35 AM
Feb 2015

goes rather nicely with an Obamacare repeal.

Who needs ISIS when you have these guys?

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
141. If they "opt out" they should post a sign "Our Employees Do Not Wash Their
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 04:26 AM
Feb 2015

Hands After Taking a Shit." That would be the perfect balance of freedom and public safety. But how many restaurants will post that sign?

Libertarianism means "I get to do what I want." It does not mean "I get to trick you into eating my shit."

mnhtnbb

(33,306 posts)
144. It is so embarrassing that this nitwit was sent to the US Senate from NC.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:24 AM
Feb 2015

But this is typical of these Republican a$$hole$. They do not give a damn about public health.

tavernier

(14,425 posts)
145. Oh, come on, people!
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 08:16 AM
Feb 2015

Read the entire article.

There are enough reasons to hate the ignorance of republicans, but we are making ourselves look foolish when we don't read the entire story. The man said that restaurants shouldn't have to post a sign saying that employees should wash their hands as long as they post a sign saying that they do not require their employees to wash their hands, which would then discourage any customer (the market) to eat at that establishment.

I've seen at least two restaurant employees leave a toilet stall and walk past the sink (and the mandatory sign) and out the door. I haven't eaten in either since.


 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
146. Would he mind if I shake it on his salad?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:11 AM
Feb 2015

i want to opt out of the "don't pee on the Senator's spinach" rule

HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
149. See how this works as a free market solution
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:04 AM
Feb 2015

Posting a sign at the entrance to the restaurant telling patrons that the employees are not required to wash their hands after they go to the restroom. Betcha that will definitely bring in the immune compromised crowd for a bite.
Free Dumb works with a little truth in advertising...
Somehow a Seinfeld episode comes to mind....

mwooldri

(10,813 posts)
152. Now hand washing, next ebola epidemic in DC?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:54 AM
Feb 2015

Though it can be argued that Congress kills more people each year than ebola has so far.

Protect yourself from government and wash your hands guys!

mwooldri

(10,813 posts)
153. Another idea: send a whole lot of hand sanitizer and soap to his office.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:59 AM
Feb 2015

Maybe he would get the point? If he had an office here in Greensboro then I'd be tempted.

But then the Republicans and DENR in NC haven't exactly been best buddies - especially with our Duke Energy sponsored Governor.

BigDemVoter

(4,698 posts)
157. Let's see how that Fuck Tard likes getting food poisoning from fecal contamination. . ..
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:32 PM
Feb 2015

Just when I think I've seen these idiots at their stupidest, they manage to out-do themselves. . . . Goddamn.

Third Doctor

(1,574 posts)
158. I always thought a lot of Gopers
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:32 PM
Feb 2015

were barbarians and this proves me right. They belong in the 19th or before century.

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