Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:40 PM
Stuart G (29,347 posts)
The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'Last edited Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:16 PM - Edit history (3)
Source: The Guardian
The Chicago police department operates an off-the-books interrogation compound, rendering Americans unable to be found by family or attorneys while locked inside what lawyers say is the domestic equivalent of a CIA black site. The facility, a nondescript warehouse on Chicago’s west side known as Homan Square, has long been the scene of secretive work by special police units. Interviews with local attorneys and one protester who spent the better part of a day shackled in Homan Square describe operations that deny access to basic constitutional rights. Alleged police practices at Homan Square, according to those familiar with the facility who spoke out to the Guardian after its investigation into Chicago police abuse, include: Keeping arrestees out of official booking databases. Beating by police, resulting in head wounds. Shackling for prolonged periods. Denying attorneys access to the “secure” facility. Holding people without legal counsel for between 12 and 24 hours, including people as young as 15. Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site Strange, exposed by a source in London... very sad, very ugly.. for U.S.A, and Chicago ......Now also on front page of Huff Post.. If Mayor Rahm Emanuel does not get past 50% in today's election, this will really hurt him. Yes, there is an election today in Chicago. He needs 50% to avoid a run-off. Then there will be another election in 4 -6 weeks. Then this secret detention center will be "the issue" As of 1pm Eastern Time..none of this has been reported in any Chicago newspapers. This is a link at Medaiate.... Very similar, but a little different take on this. http://www.mediaite.com/online/chicago-police-reportedly-used-gitmo-style-black-site-to-illegally-detain-citizens/
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Stuart G | Feb 2015 | OP |
Dems to Win | Feb 2015 | #1 | |
DeSwiss | Feb 2015 | #2 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Feb 2015 | #14 | |
Blue_Tires | Feb 2015 | #24 | |
phantom power | Feb 2015 | #3 | |
KamaAina | Feb 2015 | #4 | |
Gidney N Cloyd | Feb 2015 | #5 | |
Kelvin Mace | Feb 2015 | #6 | |
Stuart G | Feb 2015 | #8 | |
Kelvin Mace | Feb 2015 | #17 | |
Downwinder | Feb 2015 | #29 | |
deurbano | Feb 2015 | #9 | |
Kelvin Mace | Feb 2015 | #15 | |
JDPriestly | Feb 2015 | #7 | |
CanonRay | Feb 2015 | #19 | |
JDPriestly | Feb 2015 | #26 | |
CanonRay | Feb 2015 | #33 | |
Downwinder | Feb 2015 | #30 | |
Faux pas | Feb 2015 | #10 | |
nilram | Feb 2015 | #25 | |
blackspade | Feb 2015 | #11 | |
El Shaman | Feb 2015 | #12 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Feb 2015 | #13 | |
damnedifIknow | Feb 2015 | #16 | |
99th_Monkey | Feb 2015 | #18 | |
SoapBox | Feb 2015 | #20 | |
salin | Feb 2015 | #21 | |
McCamy Taylor | Feb 2015 | #22 | |
Fairgo | Feb 2015 | #23 | |
blkmusclmachine | Feb 2015 | #27 | |
Dawson Leery | Feb 2015 | #28 | |
Judi Lynn | Feb 2015 | #31 | |
DeSwiss | Feb 2015 | #34 | |
Jefferson23 | Feb 2015 | #32 | |
Adrahil | Feb 2015 | #35 | |
JEB | Feb 2015 | #36 | |
Stuart G | Feb 2015 | #37 | |
DeSwiss | Feb 2015 | #39 | |
Nihil | Feb 2015 | #40 | |
Blue_Tires | Feb 2015 | #38 |
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:47 PM
Dems to Win (2,161 posts)
1. Gitmo on Lake Michigan
Hell will freeze over before the Chicago Tribune will do investigative reporting about abuse in the police department.
Thanks for posting this story. I was coming here to post the link, but you were quicker. |
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:51 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
2. K&R
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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #2)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:53 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
14. No worries,....they're only doing it to the black sheep.
Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #14)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:58 PM
Blue_Tires (55,412 posts)
24. +1000
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 12:52 PM
phantom power (25,966 posts)
3. recommend
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:04 PM
KamaAina (78,249 posts)
4. Got police state?
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:04 PM
Gidney N Cloyd (17,875 posts)
5. Can't beat confessions out of 'em at the precinct house, can't use black sites...what's a cop to do?
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)
6. Every time a story like this pops up
I see it once again as confirmation that we live in a de facto police state. Every time I point this out, some people get upset and tell me I am being "alarmist", "hyperbolic" etc, and the mere fact that I can express such a view means we don't live in a police state.
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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:21 PM
Stuart G (29,347 posts)
8. This story confirms your view.
Sadly, I would add this. Is there a possibility that the Guardian has made some kind of error? I cannot believe that, but this is so awful, that I would at least raise the question. So awful and ugly that it turns my stomach. What kind of country is this? But, if this is true, I guess you have a valid viewpoint.
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Response to Stuart G (Reply #8)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:57 PM
Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)
17. Read the story
it is very long and detailed, so I don't see an error. The CPD refuses to answer questions about the place.
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Response to Stuart G (Reply #8)
Downwinder This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:28 PM
deurbano (2,425 posts)
9. Just because the situation is not as "bad as it could be" doesn't mean there is no cause for alarm.
I don't understand how anyone could fail to understand that the time to reverse the trend is before the situation develops to an even more extreme state.
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Response to deurbano (Reply #9)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:56 PM
Kelvin Mace (17,469 posts)
15. Agreed,
their view seems to be that until people are marching about in spiffy Hugo Boss uniforms, everything is fine.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:16 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
7. I blame the Supreme Court which has pretty much given the police more and more leeway
in respecting our constitutional rights.
Sounds like Chicago is a police state. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #7)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:06 PM
CanonRay (11,464 posts)
19. I grew up there and learned early
to be afraid of the Chicago cops. We all were as teenagers. The stories were rampant of beatings, phony charges, etc, but of course nobody ever looked into it. The 1968 riots were not surprise to any of us...I was 17 at the time.
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Response to CanonRay (Reply #19)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:13 PM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
26. It's an awful city. Cold and windy and miserable. I don't understand why people choose to live
there if they can live anywhere else. I remember that it had a good art museum.
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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #26)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:01 PM
CanonRay (11,464 posts)
33. I had to move back for work as an adult
for 18 months, and bought a condo near the lake, and really enjoyed it. I could take the bus to the Cubs games, walk or bike the lakefront, a block from Lincoln Park, even used to bike to work. Great restaurants. It has its charms, but has a pretty seamy side as well, I admit. The art museum and the natural history museum are both terrific.
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Response to CanonRay (Reply #19)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:41 PM
Downwinder (12,869 posts)
30. It goes back to the Haymarket Affair and before then.
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:43 PM
blackspade (10,056 posts)
11. And this was the slippery slope that liberals warned about.
When you start down the road to fascism, it is hard to put the breaks on when you have a government run by spineless, corrupt, and bought politicians and their lackeys.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:43 PM
El Shaman (575 posts)
12. Hey, Mabel better get the pitch fork and pick ax out.
I'm a gonna need to sharpen em a bit!
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:50 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
13. Now watch Conservative Libertarians claim this is PROOF of "Liberal Fascism".
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:57 PM
damnedifIknow (3,183 posts)
16. And these people are supposed to be Americans?
Wear the flag on their uniform and such. My ass they're Americans.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:58 PM
99th_Monkey (19,326 posts)
18. BIG K&R! I saw this earlier today and was going to post it.
but you beat me to it. Not that it's good news, but it's an important find.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:07 PM
SoapBox (18,791 posts)
20. America has lost it's way.
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:31 PM
McCamy Taylor (19,223 posts)
22. Yawn. Dog bites man. Why is this news?
Oh, yes. Because Obama's man is fighting to keep his job.
Calling Chicago police "brutal" and LAPD "corrupt" is like saying the sky is blue. |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #22)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 02:41 PM
Fairgo (1,571 posts)
23. Tripwire
Because it represents a quantum shift from bad actors to policy.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:23 PM
blkmusclmachine (16,149 posts)
27. I'm sure the "Constitutional scholar" from Chicago and his DOJ will be on this in 3 - 2 - 1 ...
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dawson Leery (18,234 posts)
28. It is times such as these that ISIS does not seem to be a threat to cause much alarm.
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:14 PM
Judi Lynn (144,859 posts)
31. This should not be allowed to slip back out of the national spotlight. Thanks, Stuart G. n/t
Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #31)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:28 PM
DeSwiss (27,137 posts)
34. Well, I'm sure they'll move.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jefferson23 (30,099 posts)
32. Sickening beyond words. n/t
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 05:55 PM
Adrahil (13,340 posts)
35. If true....
It's a major scandal. But I saw lots of allegation and very little evidence in that piece.
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 08:36 PM
Stuart G (29,347 posts)
37. In fairness, statements from the Chicago Police Department: Chicago Tribune,& Chicago Sun Times
you may read the entire response here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-guardian-story-met-20150224-story.html the link below is the story from the Chicago Sun Times..read it if you wish http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/393084/homan-square-site-chicago-police-deny-report-secret-interrogation-compound ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ By Jeremy Gorner and Meredith Rodriguez Chicago Tribune Chicago police deny British paper's claims about beatings, illegal detentions (title of article) The Chicago Police Department in a statement Tuesday night denied accusations in a story by a British newspaper that alleged people have been illegally detained, beaten and denied access to counsel in a Homan Square facility.. The Police Department issued a statement in response to the Tuesday story in The Guardian. The department said violence does not happen as a part of interviews with suspects or anyone else and that lawyers have access to any clients at the West Side facility. The site also houses the department's Bureau of Organized Crime, SWAT unit evidence technicians and the CPD ballistics lab, the department said. "CPD abides by all laws, rules and guidelines pertaining to any interviews of suspects or witnesses, at Homan Square or any other CPD facility," department spokesman Martin Maloney said in a statement. "If lawyers have a client detained at Homan Square, just like any other facility, they are allowed to speak to and visit them. It also houses CPD's Evidence Recovered Property Section, where the public is able to claim inventoried property." |
Response to Stuart G (Reply #37)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:03 AM
Nihil (13,508 posts)
40. Oh, that's OK then ...
> The department said violence does not happen as a part of interviews with suspects or anyone else
As long as the beatings are only as a softening up process rather than the actual interview then we're fine. The PD statement is correct. > and that lawyers have access to any clients at the West Side facility. If the suspects/victims/whoever are being denied access to counsel then said counsel have not got any clients yet and so the above statement is also perfectly correct. It's all in the wording folks ... Let's see what "Be Real Scared Now!" events happen to ensure this stays just a "story in a British newspaper" rather than an illustration of the ever-growing police state. ![]() |
Response to Stuart G (Original post)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:52 AM
Blue_Tires (55,412 posts)