Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead
Source: BBC
A leading Russian opposition politician, former deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.
An unidentified attacker shot Mr Nemtsov four times in central Moscow, a source in the law enforcement bodies told Russia's Interfax news agency.
He was shot near the Kremlin while walking with a woman, according to Russian-language news website Meduza.
"Several people" had got out of a car and shot him, it added.
Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061
Russian news agencies say prominent opposition politician and former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov has been shot dead in Moscow.
The Interfax news agency cited a law enforcement source as saying that Nemtsov was shot four times by an unidentified assailant late in the evening on February 27 and died of his injuries.
Interfax said it did could not independently verify the report.
Nemtsovs fellow Kremlin critic Ilya Yashin said on Twitter that Nemtsov was shot and is dead.
http://www.rferl.org/content/nemtsov-death/26873635.html
NBachers
(17,081 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)In both countries, the hard men play for keeps when anyone steps in the way of empire.
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raccoon
(31,105 posts)Telcontar
(660 posts)Was giving up the goods on Putin in London and was poisened by polonium. Bit of a row between Great Britain and Russia for a while.
EX500rider
(10,809 posts)raccoon
(31,105 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)and I suspect it happens far more often than we ever learn.
Missouri State Auditor just got "suicided", it being wholly incredible that he offed himself. And it's not been that long since the Michael Hastings incident.
Ever since the invention of the "heart attack gun" we really have no way of knowing who died of natural causes and who was assassinated. What we do know is that assassination has increasingly been a part of US national policy, to the point where they don't even seem to acknowledge the shamefulness of the practice.
Hell, the "American Sniper" hero that this country is orgasming itself over, sniping is just a method of assassination - he was an assassin, and he's presently this country's #1 national hero.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Including actual despotic, undemocratic, anti-liberal regimes like the Russian government.
Don't ask me to explain the "logic" of that.
midnight
(26,624 posts)researching has been printed yet.
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TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Wow, Russia is out of control.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)nt
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_OPPOSITION_LEADER_KILLED?SITE=TXHAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
christx30
(6,241 posts)or out of the country so fast she'll leave flaming tire tracks. Hopefully she's able to stay safe and help impartial investigators find the people responsible, and who they work for.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Nemtsov, 55, (right) had been out for dinner with his Ukranian model girlfriend Anna Duritskaya, 23, (left) in the hours before his death. The couple had been dating for several years, according to reports
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2972813/Russian-opposition-politician-Boris-Nemtsov-shot-dead-Moscow-street.html
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)There's a fair amount of crossover between the Putinistas and the Johnny Joozdidit crowd.
Cha
(296,849 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)An unidentified attacker shot Mr Nemtsov four times in central Moscow, a source in the law enforcement bodies told Russia's Interfax news agency.
He was shot near the Kremlin while walking with a woman, according to Russian-language news website Meduza.
"Several people" had got out of a car and shot him, it added.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
newthinking
(3,982 posts)He was known for his work under Yeltson, which the Russian people feel was one of the worst presidencies in their history.
He was certainly not a threat to the current leadership. We will have to wait to learn the results of the investigation.
Most likely it was a nationalist or family of someone affected by the Ukraine war (he was a supporter of maidan in Ukraine), or a hit from one of his enemies from the "mafia" period.
Certainly a tragedy. It would just be nice to see deeper reporting from the msm.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)From all accounts I can see, he hasn't held an elected position in over 10 years.
It's sort of like calling Bob Dole a leading American opposition politician. But it's par for the course for all mainstream media today in their coverage, or lack thereof, of things Russian.
Treant
(1,968 posts)Pravda reports.
MBS
(9,688 posts)no surprise- but
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Laura Mills @lauraphylmills
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Flowers for Boris Nemtsov
1:45 PM - 27 Feb 2015 256 Retweets 108 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/27/a-tweet-or-two-249/#comments
Boris Nemtsov
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)but there are misunderstandings about Putin, one day more will come to see him for what
he is..a nightmare for Russia.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Cha
(296,849 posts)UK in Russia ✔ @ukinrussia
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UK, French and German Ambassadors crossing the bridge to lay flowers where Boris #Nemtsov was killed.
6:34 AM - 28 Feb 2015 446 Retweets 196 favorites
Leonid Ragozin @leonidragozin
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Long line of people and flowers
7:55 AM - 28 Feb 2015 69 Retweets 41 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/28/chat-away-535/
I think those comments here.. understand about Putin.. they just don't care.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)That is excellent.
Cha
(296,849 posts)someone I admire from afar. #Boris Nemtsov~RIP
tavernier
(12,369 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)BBC America just noted the timing: that this happened just a day before an opposition march, organized in part by Nemtsov, which intends to criticize the government for its invasion of Ukraine and for economic problems. .
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)"Putin warned publicly that his opponents were prepared to murder one of their own so they could blame him for the death."
What possible benefit could Putin's opponents get from such a ploy?
His opponents cannot afford to lose one of their own.
Does Putin really think anyone believes his warning?
MBS
(9,688 posts). . I can't imagine that he could fool even the Russians about this. .
I mean it's just so blatant
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)The organizers of the opposition march Vesna, which is scheduled for March 1, have agreed to hold it in the Moscow Maryino area, Boris Nemtsov, co-chairman of the party RPR-PARNAS, told a press conference on Friday.
"After intensive debate and consultations, we came to the conclusion that we agree to hold the march in Maryino," Nemtsov said.
Nemtsov emphasized that the demands of the march are more important to the opposition that its venue. "The main thing to us is that all residents, including residents of Maryino, hear our demands," Nemtsov said.
- http://rbth.co.uk/news/2015/02/20/opposition_agrees_to_hold_march_1_march_in_maryino_43912.html)
Hekate
(90,560 posts)No matter that the reasons he gave were specious, it was definitely a warning.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)It's been very well established now that a lot of those people shot in Kiev a year ago were shot by their own people. And they got themselves a whole country to run into the ground less than a week later.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)There are rivalries within the Putin rivals, it's not one group against Putin it's everyone for themselves.
Thinking like a Russian rival to Putin it makes some sense, make Putin look (even more) horrible, stifle your fellow rivals who weren't shot but will now be much more cautious, get rid of one fellow rival completely and clear the decks for further maneuvering on your own part less impeded by fellow rivals.
Putin would have been a little more subtle about it in my view, he's by no means stupid and he has to know how bad this makes him look and even to Putin appearances have at least some value.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Why should he be?
Putin had this man killed. It was a set-up most likely. That is my best guess.
Of course, Putin can always rely on arguments like yours to encourage doubts about his role in it. But in the end, follow the money. Putin is the one who has the most to gain from the elimination of this popular critic.
Forgive me if my language is a bit harsh. But Putin needs to live with the fact that decades, perhaps centuries of Russian dominance in the region that has harmed the national aspirations of many of its neighbors, has caused a lot of mistrust about Russian motivations with regard to annexing those same neighbors.
If you read the book, 1919, Six Months that Changed the World, you will be reminded of the difficulty of defining nations in Central Europe according to ethnicity and/or language. The situation has probably improved somewhat since 1919. Two wars and movements of people have changed a lot of the ethnic and language make-up of various areas. But still, just how to decide borders and establish alliances and trade relations in the area is bound to be difficult because of the history.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rladdi
(581 posts)has killed many of his opposition both in politics and business people. Putin is the worst terrorist in the world, worst then ISIS. But he still gets support from his people. The free world MUST stand up and take out Putin. Use a killer drone on him. Its Putin or the free world,
SunSeeker
(51,513 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...good.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Every time a journalist breaks a leg, they say the Kremlin did it."
-Kremlin apologist Stephen Cohen on the rash of murdered journalists in Russia
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/pathetic-lives-of-putins-american-dupes.html
Stephen Cohen is also a favorite source of Putinistas on DU.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)Likely the KGB too. I'm wondering if the woman walked him into a trap. Looks real tidy.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Rudy would be dead now. Nevertheless, i bet the GOP will herald this murder as an example of great and strong leadership.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Clearly, Putin does have designs on the Ukraine. This assassination reads like something out of the Stalinist past.
Well, this at least makes things very clear.
I think we will be sending arms to the Ukraine very soon unless Putin wakes up and decides to let Ukrainians govern themselves -- East, West, South, North. Just let them go.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He wants to challenge the west for command of the seas, too.
About the only thing that will stop him is chronic, debilitating illness or death.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)that Greece used to be part of the Russian Empire.
I wonder now whether that person was simply confused or one of the Russian trolls.
It is possible that edges of Greece were part of a country that was part of the Russian Empire. I wouldn't know the boundaries of the various treaty agreements that well. But Greece? It was part of the Ottoman Empire for a while, but not of the Russian Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)fine and dandy.
I don't know or make a claim on who did it but clearly it is not safe to challenge Putin.
People should think teice about defending Putin.
RKP5637
(67,087 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Even if they come across as hypocrites or stupid.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)to oppose him now? His thugs have no shame.
RKP5637
(67,087 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Do I need a or for my comment?
Putin is horrid. Putinistas are horrid
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RKP5637
(67,087 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)пожалуйста
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)for opposing the invasion...
But you go on believing what you want to...
Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #38)
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm a consistent eye-roller at the Svoboda Sloppy-Seconders around here, but damn, man, opposition politicians who just happen to get gunned down by a car full of men is not mysterious.
This was pretty fucking certainly an assassination.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)'Obama says in a statement that Nemtsov was brutally murdered. He's calling on Russia's government to perform a "prompt, impartial and transparent" investigation to bring the perpetrators to justice.'
I'd say it's probable that he got killed for his opposition to Putin, but nobody knows that at this point.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)But then again the case is being tried by media and most people still believe the msm represents something resembling accuracy in world reporting. So it certainly is not an unexpected result.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)He said it was more likely "ugly nationalists."
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)No doubt it was neo-Nazi Ukrainians, and Russia needs to take over the rest of Ukraine to keep Russia safe.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)while himself a neoliberal (think Jeffrey Sachs's disaster) he'd had to reach out to everyone, to interact from Jew-baiters to CPSU old guards: it's not a "political spectrum," it's more of a labyrinth: no wonder the national pastime is chess
newthinking
(3,982 posts)He was certainly no threat to those currently in power.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I have no doubt Greenwald is trying his damndest to link this slaying to the CIA somehow...
uhnope
(6,419 posts)I'm pretty shocked at their silence. One year since Liz Wahl quit and they're still in denial about the blood money in their paychecks
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)None of the state TV has interrupted their programing, as far as I understand it to report.
Although it is around the middle of the night there..but even so.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Russia is a gangster state and a threat to its neighbors.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,872 posts)I don't believe a leopard chages his spots.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)Which was silly, people like Putin have others to do such dirty work for them. It's only effective if you can issue some politic platitudes after the deed is done with everyone knowing you were behind it, yet no one being able to prove it.
The people running about spewing how Russia is such an amazing democracy need to open their eyes.
Cha
(296,849 posts)and, a snip of President Obama's quote on his death..
Barack Obama said Mr Nemtsov was a tireless advocate for Russia and the rights of its citizens and praised him for fighting corruption.
The pair met in Moscow in 2009, the US President said, when the Russian was willing to share his candid views.
"We offer our sincere condolences to Boris Efimovich (Nemtsov's) family and to the Russian people, who have lost one of the most dedicated and eloquent defenders of their rights," he added.
MOre..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boris-nemtsov-im-afraid-putin-will-kill-me-politician-said-weeks-before-being-shot-dead-10077000.html
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Opposition voice Boris Nemtsov was writing an explosive report linking Putin to Ukraine's war.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2015/03/05/390754346/boris-nemtsov-he-directed-his-words-against-putin-himself
3:14 AM - 5 Mar 2015 157 Retweets 79 favorites
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/03/06/an-improved-economy-thanks-president-obama/
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)I suspect that will become the preferred narrative of some.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)to blame the west.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)More likely Russian Mafia loan sharking, or something similarly seedy.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)We'll most likely never know. Although, that won't stop people from believing whatever it is they choose to believe, and this mans death will be fully exploited by all parties.
MBS
(9,688 posts)some new details:
Boris Nemtsov, contrary to many Russian politicians, was a very honest guy, said Stanislav Belkovsky, an opposition political analyst and a longtime associate of Nemtsov. Its a rare thing among the Russian political community. The murder, he said, was a consequence of the evil energies set free by the Kremlin in the last year.
. . .Nemtsov was a political star in the early post-Soviet days, when most Russians still dreamed of democracy a young, energetic and smart physicist-turned-politician who charmed voters and won high approval ratings as a regional governor.
. . ..
He quickly instituted free-market economic policies, simplifying the nightmarish and corrupt processes of registering new businesses. He also enabled members of collective farms to acquire individual plots and introduced tax breaks for struggling businesses, according to the Encyclopedia of Russian History.. .. As deputy prime minister, Nemtsov spearheaded a program of economic shock therapy designed to haul Russia out of its post-Soviet doldrums. He sought to make bidding on government contracts more competitive and transparent, forced railroads and electricity suppliers to cut their prices and reduced household utility rates by 30 percent, the Russian history encyclopedia said.
A major initiative was to make all government contracts worth more than 900 million rubles, including military contracts, subject to competitive bidding. His efforts earned him the ire of Russias notorious oligarchs, who were accused of looting the nations assets after the fall of the Communist government.
This really is a tragedy.
Cha
(296,849 posts)Mahalo for the link, MBS..
Laura Mills @lauraphylmills
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/27/a-tweet-or-two-249/#comments
Boris Nemtsov
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)I'd lay odds that the killing was over the young woman and was not political in nature. The way it went down is way too messy for a professional hit.
tavernier
(12,369 posts)Just a coincidence that he happened to be Putin's most hated rival.
Umm, don't give up your day job. 😂
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)Don't even try to support that statement, you'll just waste your time. Putin has something like 80% approval and the dead guy had support in the 1% range.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)They appeal to nationalism and popular prejudices to garner and maintain political support.
And if you dare question or criticize them...watch your back, or else you may end up like many of Putin's critics have.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)And for those people who think a former KGB officer as smart as Putin, if he wanted to take out his opponent would conduct it in such a manner?
He didn't go for the classic suicide or accuse him on some terrorist chargers or corruption charge and just lock him up for good. Instead, he opts for killing him in public mafia style while the world has its eyes on him.
This makes no sense that Putin would do this to this unpopular politician. He has way more to lose than gains on this particular hit. I don't buy he had anything to do with this, if anything it's more likely this is not related to politics or maybe it was done by someone trying to harm him reputation.
Feron
(2,063 posts)Zhirinovsky vs. Nemtsov:
Context is in the comments, but be forewarned that there is antisemitism.
Anyway my jaw dropped when the headline came across my desktop news feed. RIP.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)...where there are multiple security cameras in the area, so obviously they weren't afraid of being caught. They left the witness (the woman who was with Nemtsov at the time of his murder) alive-presumably, because they were not afraid of any chance of retaliation, and wanted to send a message. Also, the murder appears to be a highly coordinated, professional hit-which narrows the range of possibilities considerably.
And there are now multiple reports coming out that Mr. Nemtsov had been threatened before by the Russian government, especially in recent months. Furthermore, Nemtsov was frequently shadowed, to the point where he feared for his life-again, especially in recent months.
Finally...well, this Reuters report has more details of the last night of Nemtsov's life:
A political reformer who had fallen foul of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Nemtsov had been preoccupied for weeks with details of an opposition march planned for Sunday.
Dinner at Bosco - dishes include beef with rocket salad and balsamic sauce or duck liver with wild berries - had been interrupted by telephone calls, a waiter told a Russian newspaper. Nemtsov also broke off for an interview with a Ukrainian radio station eager for the details of the rally.
Hopes were high that the demonstration, to condemn Putin's economic and foreign policies, would rekindle the flames of the street protests that in 2011-12 posed the first public challenge to Putin's more than decade-long rule.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/28/russia-nemtsov-dinner-idUSL5N0W20GT20150228
The lesson here is that Russian critics of Putin end up dead.
MADem
(135,425 posts)video feeds are "important" and which ones can, errrm, hit the cutting room floor, as it were.
I think you learned the lesson rather quickly!