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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:56 PM Feb 2015

Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead

Source: BBC

A leading Russian opposition politician, former deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.

An unidentified attacker shot Mr Nemtsov four times in central Moscow, a source in the law enforcement bodies told Russia's Interfax news agency.

He was shot near the Kremlin while walking with a woman, according to Russian-language news website Meduza.

"Several people" had got out of a car and shot him, it added.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061



Reports: Russian Opposition Politician Boris Nemtsov Killed In Moscow

Russian news agencies say prominent opposition politician and former Deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov has been shot dead in Moscow.

The Interfax news agency cited a law enforcement source as saying that Nemtsov was shot four times by an unidentified assailant late in the evening on February 27 and died of his injuries.

Interfax said it did could not independently verify the report.

Nemtsov’s fellow Kremlin critic Ilya Yashin said on Twitter that Nemtsov was shot and is “dead.”

http://www.rferl.org/content/nemtsov-death/26873635.html


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Russia opposition politician Boris Nemtsov shot dead (Original Post) Bosonic Feb 2015 OP
Holy shit . . . God help us it doesn't happen here. NBachers Feb 2015 #1
What are you talking about? It happens here all the time Demeter Feb 2015 #48
The only difference, they don't do the "lone gunman" act. leveymg Feb 2015 #78
Who is that last photo, the man in the hospital? nt raccoon Feb 2015 #86
I dont remember his name, but he was a Russian defector Telcontar Feb 2015 #87
Alexander Litvinenko EX500rider Feb 2015 #95
+1000. nt raccoon Feb 2015 #85
It's already happened here Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #79
Michael Hastings was not assassinated. Spare us the crazy talk. nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #80
Some are willing to ally with anyone in blaming the US government for its alleged misdeeds YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #105
I hadn't thought about Michael Hasting's story in a while, but was wondering if the work he was midnight Feb 2015 #102
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #2
Well, it wasn't slow from polonium, I guess that's a merciful thing. TwilightGardener Feb 2015 #3
No more opposition now... Helen Borg Feb 2015 #4
The mafia state claims another victim in Russia. Don Putin will be very pleased nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #5
I hope any Putin apologists we may have here see this thread YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #8
they'd just blame it on Ukrainians nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #9
It'll be interesting to hear what she has to say jakeXT Feb 2015 #25
I'd imagine she'd soon be dead, christx30 Feb 2015 #93
It was his 23 year old girlfriend an Ukrainian model jakeXT Feb 2015 #96
Bingo! 7962 Feb 2015 #70
Them or someone else... freshwest Feb 2015 #77
Or Mossad. Codeine Feb 2015 #92
Oh, they'll see it and try to make sure putin is blameless. Cha Feb 2015 #73
BBC article YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #6
Tabloid msm at work again. It is a tragedy but he was not a "leading" politician newthinking Feb 2015 #66
Strange reporting. MattSh Feb 2015 #83
"He had a cold," Treant Feb 2015 #7
okey dokey. .back to this again MBS Feb 2015 #10
This is just devastating news....horrific. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #11
" " " " n/t MBS Feb 2015 #12
I am sitting here stunned beyond belief...this is so horrible. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #13
:(... Cha Feb 2015 #72
Horrific news, I am near speechless over it. It is unfortunate some of the comments here Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #90
" " " " n/t MBS Feb 2015 #100
More Flowers for Boris #Nemtsov, Jefferson.. Cha Feb 2015 #107
I am so pleased to see the ambassadors there..thank you for the photos, Cha. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #108
I know.. I think it's comforting when I see the ourpouring of caring and love like this for Cha Feb 2015 #109
Breaking on CNN now tavernier Feb 2015 #14
Washington Post article. . MBS Feb 2015 #15
yeah right jakeXT Feb 2015 #21
This is ridiculous: JDPriestly Feb 2015 #31
Hard to believe, for sure MBS Feb 2015 #33
I bet more people will come jakeXT Feb 2015 #43
I'm sure they believe that it was A warning... Hekate Feb 2015 #46
No it is not... MattSh Feb 2015 #82
Russian history makes Game of Thrones look like Mr Rogers Neighborhood Fumesucker Feb 2015 #89
I don't think Putin would bbe subtle at all. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #99
Sad that you take your life in your hands when you challenge Putin. n/t. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #16
This was a direct murder hired by Putin. Putin rladdi Feb 2015 #17
Disgusting. Putin has no shame. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #18
" " " " n/t MBS Feb 2015 #19
This is not.. YvonneCa Feb 2015 #22
cue Stephen Cohen to explain how people blame the Kremlin "everytime (someone) breaks a leg" uhnope Feb 2015 #20
Definitely An Assassination DallasNE Feb 2015 #23
yup n/t MBS Feb 2015 #34
Someone on another board posted that if Rudy got his wish for Obama to be more like Putin, kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #24
And with him, the Putin crowd shot their credibility. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #26
Putin wants to put together the old USSR. That's his goal, make no mistake. MADem Feb 2015 #30
I agree n/t MBS Feb 2015 #35
Someone on DU responded to one of my posts with the message JDPriestly Feb 2015 #40
Agreed. Hekate Feb 2015 #44
I hope this cold blooded murder wakes people up who think Russia's political climate is hrmjustin Feb 2015 #27
Some apparently want to be brutalized who defend Putin, seems that way to me. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #29
I don't know or get Putin defenders motives but I think they are wrong to do it. n/t. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #32
Some just think they are cool if they side with anti-US leaders FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #37
But..but..'Putin has a 1000% approval rating'. I bet that number doubles pretty soon. Who's left.. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #47
Hmmm, like duh, wonder who's behind this one ... guess, guess, guess! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #28
Clearly, it's "the imperialist West's" doing... appal_jack Feb 2015 #62
Yep, sad, isn't it, that some favor Putin. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #69
Sadly, yes, you DO need a sarcasm thingy for a few folks around here. nt 7962 Feb 2015 #71
Fascist State blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #36
Wow. DU definitively solved this so quickly. And from 5,000 miles away. Impressive. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #38
We don't know who pulled the actual trigger but we know who created the climate for it to happen. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #39
maybe the snide comments can be withheld at least until the body is cold uhnope Feb 2015 #41
Of course a year ago he was on record being afraid for his life Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #49
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #55
Oh come on Scootaloo Feb 2015 #57
I'm with Obama: Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #64
Amazing isn't it? newthinking Feb 2015 #67
I just saw the former British ambassador on the BBC. He doubted the regime did it. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #75
You're right, DU is obviously barking up the wrong tree. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #106
Gunned down in the street like a dog. How subtle. Can't wait for GG's thoughts on this. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #42
also a Yushchenko confidant, to bring Russians into Ukraine (or at least their hryvnia) MisterP Feb 2015 #45
Deputy and First Deputy Prime Minister under Yeltsin for a short time /nt jakeXT Feb 2015 #54
his bio shows not only how thin and fractured boundaries are in the region, but the political jumble MisterP Feb 2015 #60
He was not a significant player (as the media is making it sound) newthinking Feb 2015 #68
Needless to say, Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #50
have any of the RT westerners made any response? Hartmann, Keiser, Larry King uhnope Mar 2015 #111
Not that I've seen, other than some nutbars on twitter Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #112
Putin starts the disinfo machine before the body is even cold: Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #51
The piece of shit makes an intentionally vague statement..grrr. Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #56
Fascists like Putin don't take criticism well tabasco Feb 2015 #52
And Putin smiled. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #53
The writing is on the wall... Ford_Prefect Feb 2015 #58
He told a Russian news source on on Feb. 10th, "I'm afraid Putin will kill me." herding cats Feb 2015 #59
The rest of the quote, hc.. "I believe that he was the one who unleashed the war in the Ukraine." Cha Mar 2015 #113
The comment section of RT.com is full of claims this was a CIA operation PersonNumber503602 Feb 2015 #61
I saw that. some just can't bring themselve to see whwt Putin truly is so they have hrmjustin Feb 2015 #63
I can't see Putin or the CIA stooping to this Demeter Feb 2015 #84
Russian mafia popped into my mind too. PersonNumber503602 Feb 2015 #97
latest from Washington Post MBS Feb 2015 #65
"The murder, he said, was a consequence of “the evil energies set free by the Kremlin in the last.. Cha Feb 2015 #74
That is awful. freshwest Feb 2015 #76
This story will probably defy expectations Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #81
A love triangle. Yeah, that's it. tavernier Feb 2015 #88
"most hated rival"? Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #98
Yes, authoritarian despots often are 'popular' YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #104
I hope there is a proper investigation done for this murder jamzrockz Feb 2015 #91
This is will always be funny.. Feron Feb 2015 #94
Just FWIW: The murder happened in front of the Kremlin,.... YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #101
If all the cameras in the area belong to the government, then the government decides which MADem Mar 2015 #110
So how long will it be before the republicans blame Obama? still_one Feb 2015 #103

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
78. The only difference, they don't do the "lone gunman" act.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:35 AM
Feb 2015

In both countries, the hard men play for keeps when anyone steps in the way of empire.
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Telcontar

(660 posts)
87. I dont remember his name, but he was a Russian defector
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:11 AM
Feb 2015

Was giving up the goods on Putin in London and was poisened by polonium. Bit of a row between Great Britain and Russia for a while.

EX500rider

(10,809 posts)
95. Alexander Litvinenko
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:00 PM
Feb 2015
Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom. According to his wife and father, he was working for MI6 and MI5 after receiving the asylum.
 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
79. It's already happened here
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:18 AM
Feb 2015

and I suspect it happens far more often than we ever learn.

Missouri State Auditor just got "suicided", it being wholly incredible that he offed himself. And it's not been that long since the Michael Hastings incident.

Ever since the invention of the "heart attack gun" we really have no way of knowing who died of natural causes and who was assassinated. What we do know is that assassination has increasingly been a part of US national policy, to the point where they don't even seem to acknowledge the shamefulness of the practice.

Hell, the "American Sniper" hero that this country is orgasming itself over, sniping is just a method of assassination - he was an assassin, and he's presently this country's #1 national hero.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
105. Some are willing to ally with anyone in blaming the US government for its alleged misdeeds
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:18 PM
Feb 2015

Including actual despotic, undemocratic, anti-liberal regimes like the Russian government.

Don't ask me to explain the "logic" of that.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
102. I hadn't thought about Michael Hasting's story in a while, but was wondering if the work he was
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:02 PM
Feb 2015

researching has been printed yet.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
25. It'll be interesting to hear what she has to say
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:18 PM
Feb 2015
Interior Ministry spokeswoman Yelena Alexeyeva told reporters on the scene that Nemtsov was walking with a female acquaintance, a Ukrainian citizen, when a vehicle drove up and unidentified assailants shot him dead. The woman wasn't hurt.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_OPPOSITION_LEADER_KILLED?SITE=TXHAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

christx30

(6,241 posts)
93. I'd imagine she'd soon be dead,
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:51 AM
Feb 2015

or out of the country so fast she'll leave flaming tire tracks. Hopefully she's able to stay safe and help impartial investigators find the people responsible, and who they work for.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
96. It was his 23 year old girlfriend an Ukrainian model
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:02 PM
Feb 2015


Nemtsov, 55, (right) had been out for dinner with his Ukranian model girlfriend Anna Duritskaya, 23, (left) in the hours before his death. The couple had been dating for several years, according to reports

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2972813/Russian-opposition-politician-Boris-Nemtsov-shot-dead-Moscow-street.html
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
92. Or Mossad.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

There's a fair amount of crossover between the Putinistas and the Johnny Joozdidit crowd.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
6. BBC article
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:09 PM
Feb 2015
A leading Russian opposition politician, former deputy Prime Minister Boris Nemtsov, has been shot dead in Moscow, Russian officials say.

An unidentified attacker shot Mr Nemtsov four times in central Moscow, a source in the law enforcement bodies told Russia's Interfax news agency.

He was shot near the Kremlin while walking with a woman, according to Russian-language news website Meduza.

"Several people" had got out of a car and shot him, it added.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
66. Tabloid msm at work again. It is a tragedy but he was not a "leading" politician
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:22 PM
Feb 2015

He was known for his work under Yeltson, which the Russian people feel was one of the worst presidencies in their history.

He was certainly not a threat to the current leadership. We will have to wait to learn the results of the investigation.

Most likely it was a nationalist or family of someone affected by the Ukraine war (he was a supporter of maidan in Ukraine), or a hit from one of his enemies from the "mafia" period.

Certainly a tragedy. It would just be nice to see deeper reporting from the msm.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
83. Strange reporting.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:11 AM
Feb 2015

From all accounts I can see, he hasn't held an elected position in over 10 years.

It's sort of like calling Bob Dole a leading American opposition politician. But it's par for the course for all mainstream media today in their coverage, or lack thereof, of things Russian.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
90. Horrific news, I am near speechless over it. It is unfortunate some of the comments here
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:03 AM
Feb 2015

but there are misunderstandings about Putin, one day more will come to see him for what
he is..a nightmare for Russia.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
107. More Flowers for Boris #Nemtsov, Jefferson..
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:17 PM
Feb 2015

UK in Russia ✔ @ukinrussia
Follow
UK, French and German Ambassadors crossing the bridge to lay flowers where Boris #Nemtsov was killed.
6:34 AM - 28 Feb 2015 446 Retweets 196 favorites


Leonid Ragozin @leonidragozin
Follow
Long line of people and flowers
7:55 AM - 28 Feb 2015 69 Retweets 41 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/02/28/chat-away-535/

I think those comments here.. understand about Putin.. they just don't care.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
109. I know.. I think it's comforting when I see the ourpouring of caring and love like this for
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 07:49 PM
Feb 2015

someone I admire from afar. #Boris Nemtsov~RIP

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. Washington Post article. .
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:36 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsov-reported-killed-in-moscow/2015/02/27/972e15f0-becb-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html?tid=trending_strip_2
Nemtsov, a former deputy prime minister, angered the government two years ago when he charged that billions of dollars had been stolen from funds designated for the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, his home town. He blamed “Putin’s friends” for the alleged embezzlement, which he described as “a real threat to Russia’s national security.”


A year earlier, Putin warned publicly that his opponents were prepared to murder one of their own so they could blame him for the death.“They are looking for a so-called sacrificial victim among some prominent figures,” Putin, a former KGB agent, told a gathering of the All-Russia Popular Front, a group organized to support him, ahead of Russia’s 2012 presidential election. “They will knock him off, I beg your pardon, and then blame the authorities for that.”
(yeah, right)

Nemtsov, an opponent whom Putin was said to despise more than most, said at the time that it was up to the authorities to prevent such a crime.“If the head of the federal government, who controls all intelligence agencies, makes a public statement that he has information about such a provocation and such a crime, he must do everything to prevent it and not just publicly scare Russians,” he told the Interfax news agency.


BBC America just noted the timing: that this happened just a day before an opposition march, organized in part by Nemtsov, which intends to criticize the government for its invasion of Ukraine and for economic problems. .


jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
21. yeah right
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:03 PM
Feb 2015
A year earlier, Putin warned publicly that his opponents were prepared to murder one of their own so they could blame him for the death.“They are looking for a so-called sacrificial victim among some prominent figures,” Putin, a former KGB agent, told a gathering of the All-Russia Popular Front, a group organized to support him, ahead of Russia’s 2012 presidential election. “They will knock him off, I beg your pardon, and then blame the authorities for that.”

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. This is ridiculous:
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:30 PM
Feb 2015

"Putin warned publicly that his opponents were prepared to murder one of their own so they could blame him for the death."

What possible benefit could Putin's opponents get from such a ploy?

His opponents cannot afford to lose one of their own.

Does Putin really think anyone believes his warning?

MBS

(9,688 posts)
33. Hard to believe, for sure
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:34 PM
Feb 2015

. . I can't imagine that he could fool even the Russians about this. .
I mean it's just so blatant

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
43. I bet more people will come
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:54 PM
Feb 2015

The organizers of the opposition march Vesna, which is scheduled for March 1, have agreed to hold it in the Moscow Maryino area, Boris Nemtsov, co-chairman of the party RPR-PARNAS, told a press conference on Friday.

"After intensive debate and consultations, we came to the conclusion that we agree to hold the march in Maryino," Nemtsov said.

Nemtsov emphasized that the demands of the march are more important to the opposition that its venue. "The main thing to us is that all residents, including residents of Maryino, hear our demands," Nemtsov said.

- http://rbth.co.uk/news/2015/02/20/opposition_agrees_to_hold_march_1_march_in_maryino_43912.html)

Hekate

(90,560 posts)
46. I'm sure they believe that it was A warning...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Feb 2015

No matter that the reasons he gave were specious, it was definitely a warning.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
82. No it is not...
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:04 AM
Feb 2015

It's been very well established now that a lot of those people shot in Kiev a year ago were shot by their own people. And they got themselves a whole country to run into the ground less than a week later.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
89. Russian history makes Game of Thrones look like Mr Rogers Neighborhood
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 09:14 AM
Feb 2015

There are rivalries within the Putin rivals, it's not one group against Putin it's everyone for themselves.

Thinking like a Russian rival to Putin it makes some sense, make Putin look (even more) horrible, stifle your fellow rivals who weren't shot but will now be much more cautious, get rid of one fellow rival completely and clear the decks for further maneuvering on your own part less impeded by fellow rivals.

Putin would have been a little more subtle about it in my view, he's by no means stupid and he has to know how bad this makes him look and even to Putin appearances have at least some value.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
99. I don't think Putin would bbe subtle at all.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 03:47 PM
Feb 2015

Why should he be?

Putin had this man killed. It was a set-up most likely. That is my best guess.

Of course, Putin can always rely on arguments like yours to encourage doubts about his role in it. But in the end, follow the money. Putin is the one who has the most to gain from the elimination of this popular critic.

Forgive me if my language is a bit harsh. But Putin needs to live with the fact that decades, perhaps centuries of Russian dominance in the region that has harmed the national aspirations of many of its neighbors, has caused a lot of mistrust about Russian motivations with regard to annexing those same neighbors.

If you read the book, 1919, Six Months that Changed the World, you will be reminded of the difficulty of defining nations in Central Europe according to ethnicity and/or language. The situation has probably improved somewhat since 1919. Two wars and movements of people have changed a lot of the ethnic and language make-up of various areas. But still, just how to decide borders and establish alliances and trade relations in the area is bound to be difficult because of the history.

rladdi

(581 posts)
17. This was a direct murder hired by Putin. Putin
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 06:45 PM
Feb 2015

has killed many of his opposition both in politics and business people. Putin is the worst terrorist in the world, worst then ISIS. But he still gets support from his people. The free world MUST stand up and take out Putin. Use a killer drone on him. Its Putin or the free world,

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
20. cue Stephen Cohen to explain how people blame the Kremlin "everytime (someone) breaks a leg"
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:02 PM
Feb 2015

“Every time a journalist breaks a leg, they say the Kremlin did it."
-Kremlin apologist Stephen Cohen on the rash of murdered journalists in Russia
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/pathetic-lives-of-putins-american-dupes.html

Stephen Cohen is also a favorite source of Putinistas on DU.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
23. Definitely An Assassination
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:17 PM
Feb 2015

Likely the KGB too. I'm wondering if the woman walked him into a trap. Looks real tidy.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
24. Someone on another board posted that if Rudy got his wish for Obama to be more like Putin,
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:17 PM
Feb 2015

Rudy would be dead now. Nevertheless, i bet the GOP will herald this murder as an example of great and strong leadership.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
26. And with him, the Putin crowd shot their credibility.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:22 PM
Feb 2015

Clearly, Putin does have designs on the Ukraine. This assassination reads like something out of the Stalinist past.

Well, this at least makes things very clear.

I think we will be sending arms to the Ukraine very soon unless Putin wakes up and decides to let Ukrainians govern themselves -- East, West, South, North. Just let them go.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. Putin wants to put together the old USSR. That's his goal, make no mistake.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:29 PM
Feb 2015

He wants to challenge the west for command of the seas, too.

About the only thing that will stop him is chronic, debilitating illness or death.


JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
40. Someone on DU responded to one of my posts with the message
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:48 PM
Feb 2015

that Greece used to be part of the Russian Empire.

I wonder now whether that person was simply confused or one of the Russian trolls.

It is possible that edges of Greece were part of a country that was part of the Russian Empire. I wouldn't know the boundaries of the various treaty agreements that well. But Greece? It was part of the Ottoman Empire for a while, but not of the Russian Empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
27. I hope this cold blooded murder wakes people up who think Russia's political climate is
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:27 PM
Feb 2015

fine and dandy.

I don't know or make a claim on who did it but clearly it is not safe to challenge Putin.

People should think teice about defending Putin.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
37. Some just think they are cool if they side with anti-US leaders
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:42 PM
Feb 2015

Even if they come across as hypocrites or stupid.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
47. But..but..'Putin has a 1000% approval rating'. I bet that number doubles pretty soon. Who's left..
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Feb 2015

to oppose him now? His thugs have no shame.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
62. Clearly, it's "the imperialist West's" doing...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:30 PM
Feb 2015

Do I need a or for my comment?

Putin is horrid. Putinistas are horrid

-app

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
49. Of course a year ago he was on record being afraid for his life
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:03 PM
Feb 2015

for opposing the invasion...

But you go on believing what you want to...

Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #38)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
57. Oh come on
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:24 PM
Feb 2015

I'm a consistent eye-roller at the Svoboda Sloppy-Seconders around here, but damn, man, opposition politicians who just happen to get gunned down by a car full of men is not mysterious.

This was pretty fucking certainly an assassination.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
64. I'm with Obama:
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

'Obama says in a statement that Nemtsov was brutally murdered. He's calling on Russia's government to perform a "prompt, impartial and transparent" investigation to bring the perpetrators to justice.'

I'd say it's probable that he got killed for his opposition to Putin, but nobody knows that at this point.



newthinking

(3,982 posts)
67. Amazing isn't it?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:27 PM
Feb 2015

But then again the case is being tried by media and most people still believe the msm represents something resembling accuracy in world reporting. So it certainly is not an unexpected result.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
75. I just saw the former British ambassador on the BBC. He doubted the regime did it.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:39 AM
Feb 2015

He said it was more likely "ugly nationalists."

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
106. You're right, DU is obviously barking up the wrong tree.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:54 PM
Feb 2015

No doubt it was neo-Nazi Ukrainians, and Russia needs to take over the rest of Ukraine to keep Russia safe.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
60. his bio shows not only how thin and fractured boundaries are in the region, but the political jumble
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:08 PM
Feb 2015

while himself a neoliberal (think Jeffrey Sachs's disaster) he'd had to reach out to everyone, to interact from Jew-baiters to CPSU old guards: it's not a "political spectrum," it's more of a labyrinth: no wonder the national pastime is chess

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
68. He was not a significant player (as the media is making it sound)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:29 PM
Feb 2015

He was certainly no threat to those currently in power.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
50. Needless to say, Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:05 PM
Feb 2015

I have no doubt Greenwald is trying his damndest to link this slaying to the CIA somehow...

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
111. have any of the RT westerners made any response? Hartmann, Keiser, Larry King
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 05:59 PM
Mar 2015

I'm pretty shocked at their silence. One year since Liz Wahl quit and they're still in denial about the blood money in their paychecks

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
56. The piece of shit makes an intentionally vague statement..grrr.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:15 PM
Feb 2015

None of the state TV has interrupted their programing, as far as I understand it to report.

Although it is around the middle of the night there..but even so.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
52. Fascists like Putin don't take criticism well
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:06 PM
Feb 2015

Russia is a gangster state and a threat to its neighbors.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
59. He told a Russian news source on on Feb. 10th, "I'm afraid Putin will kill me."
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:31 PM
Feb 2015

Which was silly, people like Putin have others to do such dirty work for them. It's only effective if you can issue some politic platitudes after the deed is done with everyone knowing you were behind it, yet no one being able to prove it.

The people running about spewing how Russia is such an amazing democracy need to open their eyes.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
113. The rest of the quote, hc.. "I believe that he was the one who unleashed the war in the Ukraine."
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:45 PM
Mar 2015
"Speaking to Russia's Sobesednik news website on 10 February, Boris Nemtsov said: "I'm afraid Putin will kill me. I believe that he was the one who unleashed the war in the Ukraine. I couldn't dislike him more."

and, a snip of President Obama's quote on his death..

Barack Obama said Mr Nemtsov was a ”tireless advocate“ for Russia and the rights of its citizens and praised him for fighting corruption.

The pair met in Moscow in 2009, the US President said, when the Russian was willing to ”share his candid views“.

"We offer our sincere condolences to Boris Efimovich (Nemtsov's) family and to the Russian people, who have lost one of the most dedicated and eloquent defenders of their rights," he added.

MOre..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boris-nemtsov-im-afraid-putin-will-kill-me-politician-said-weeks-before-being-shot-dead-10077000.html


Renee Montagne @nprmontagne
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Opposition voice Boris Nemtsov was writing an explosive report linking Putin to Ukraine's war.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2015/03/05/390754346/boris-nemtsov-he-directed-his-words-against-putin-himself
3:14 AM - 5 Mar 2015 157 Retweets 79 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/03/06/an-improved-economy-thanks-president-obama/

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
61. The comment section of RT.com is full of claims this was a CIA operation
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:16 PM
Feb 2015

I suspect that will become the preferred narrative of some.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
63. I saw that. some just can't bring themselve to see whwt Putin truly is so they have
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:37 PM
Feb 2015

to blame the west.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
84. I can't see Putin or the CIA stooping to this
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 06:22 AM
Feb 2015

More likely Russian Mafia loan sharking, or something similarly seedy.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
97. Russian mafia popped into my mind too.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 01:34 PM
Feb 2015

We'll most likely never know. Although, that won't stop people from believing whatever it is they choose to believe, and this mans death will be fully exploited by all parties.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
65. latest from Washington Post
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:19 PM
Feb 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-opposition-leader-boris-nemtsov-reported-killed-in-moscow/2015/02/27/972e15f0-becb-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html?hpid=z1

some new details:
Opposition leaders said they would go ahead with plans for the Sunday rally, which is to be held on the outskirts of Moscow. Before the murder, they were playing down expectations for turnout, but on Saturday they said it would be a moment to commemorate Nemtsov and his considerable accomplishments in Russian political life. “This murder, politically, it hits the spot, because if the message is to send a scare throughout the opposition movement, this is one thing to do,” said Vladimir Milov, an opposition leader who alongside Nemtsov had been planning the Sunday rally. “Scared or not scared, we will carry on,” he said.Milov said he did not think it would be the last murder of an opposition leader in Russia. “This is a new level, but as sad as it may sound, we have to expect a continuation. Because this is just how Russia operates now,” he said.

Boris Nemtsov, contrary to many Russian politicians, was a very honest guy,” said Stanislav Belkovsky, an opposition political analyst and a longtime associate of Nemtsov. “It’s a rare thing among the Russian political community.” The murder, he said, was a consequence of “the evil energies set free by the Kremlin in the last year.”

. . .Nemtsov was a political star in the early post-Soviet days, when most Russians still dreamed of democracy — a young, energetic and smart physicist-turned-politician who charmed voters and won high approval ratings as a regional governor.
. . ..
He quickly instituted free-market economic policies, simplifying the nightmarish and corrupt processes of registering new businesses. He also enabled members of collective farms to acquire individual plots and introduced tax breaks for struggling businesses, according to the Encyclopedia of Russian History.. .. As deputy prime minister, Nemtsov spearheaded a program of economic “shock therapy” designed to haul Russia out of its post-Soviet doldrums. He sought to make bidding on government contracts more competitive and transparent, forced railroads and electricity suppliers to cut their prices and reduced household utility rates by 30 percent, the Russian history encyclopedia said.
A major initiative was to make all government contracts worth more than 900 million rubles, including military contracts, subject to competitive bidding. His efforts earned him the ire of Russia’s notorious “oligarchs,” who were accused of looting the nation’s assets after the fall of the Communist government.


This really is a tragedy.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
74. "The murder, he said, was a consequence of “the evil energies set free by the Kremlin in the last..
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:30 AM
Feb 2015
year.”

Mahalo for the link, MBS..


Laura Mills @lauraphylmills
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Boris Nemtsov
 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
81. This story will probably defy expectations
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:47 AM
Feb 2015

I'd lay odds that the killing was over the young woman and was not political in nature. The way it went down is way too messy for a professional hit.

tavernier

(12,369 posts)
88. A love triangle. Yeah, that's it.
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 08:59 AM
Feb 2015

Just a coincidence that he happened to be Putin's most hated rival.

Umm, don't give up your day job. 😂

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
98. "most hated rival"?
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 02:33 PM
Feb 2015

Don't even try to support that statement, you'll just waste your time. Putin has something like 80% approval and the dead guy had support in the 1% range.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
104. Yes, authoritarian despots often are 'popular'
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:14 PM
Feb 2015

They appeal to nationalism and popular prejudices to garner and maintain political support.

And if you dare question or criticize them...watch your back, or else you may end up like many of Putin's critics have.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
91. I hope there is a proper investigation done for this murder
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:36 AM
Feb 2015

And for those people who think a former KGB officer as smart as Putin, if he wanted to take out his opponent would conduct it in such a manner?

He didn't go for the classic suicide or accuse him on some terrorist chargers or corruption charge and just lock him up for good. Instead, he opts for killing him in public mafia style while the world has its eyes on him.

This makes no sense that Putin would do this to this unpopular politician. He has way more to lose than gains on this particular hit. I don't buy he had anything to do with this, if anything it's more likely this is not related to politics or maybe it was done by someone trying to harm him reputation.

Feron

(2,063 posts)
94. This is will always be funny..
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 11:56 AM
Feb 2015

Zhirinovsky vs. Nemtsov:



Context is in the comments, but be forewarned that there is antisemitism.

Anyway my jaw dropped when the headline came across my desktop news feed. RIP.
 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
101. Just FWIW: The murder happened in front of the Kremlin,....
Sat Feb 28, 2015, 04:01 PM
Feb 2015

...where there are multiple security cameras in the area, so obviously they weren't afraid of being caught. They left the witness (the woman who was with Nemtsov at the time of his murder) alive-presumably, because they were not afraid of any chance of retaliation, and wanted to send a message. Also, the murder appears to be a highly coordinated, professional hit-which narrows the range of possibilities considerably.

And there are now multiple reports coming out that Mr. Nemtsov had been threatened before by the Russian government, especially in recent months. Furthermore, Nemtsov was frequently shadowed, to the point where he feared for his life-again, especially in recent months.

Finally...well, this Reuters report has more details of the last night of Nemtsov's life:


Feb 28 (Reuters) - It was near closing time on Friday at the upscale Bosco restaurant that looks out onto the illuminated red-brick walls of Moscow's Kremlin. Boris Nemtsov and his young, dark-haired girlfriend were finishing dinner.

A political reformer who had fallen foul of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Nemtsov had been preoccupied for weeks with details of an opposition march planned for Sunday.

Dinner at Bosco - dishes include beef with rocket salad and balsamic sauce or duck liver with wild berries - had been interrupted by telephone calls, a waiter told a Russian newspaper. Nemtsov also broke off for an interview with a Ukrainian radio station eager for the details of the rally.

Hopes were high that the demonstration, to condemn Putin's economic and foreign policies, would rekindle the flames of the street protests that in 2011-12 posed the first public challenge to Putin's more than decade-long rule.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/28/russia-nemtsov-dinner-idUSL5N0W20GT20150228

The lesson here is that Russian critics of Putin end up dead.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
110. If all the cameras in the area belong to the government, then the government decides which
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 12:39 AM
Mar 2015

video feeds are "important" and which ones can, errrm, hit the cutting room floor, as it were.

I think you learned the lesson rather quickly!

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