A Hillary Clinton Email the State Department Couldn't Find

[candelista]

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Source: Atlantic

Hillary Clinton supporters have defended her use of a private email account to conduct official State Department business by arguing that she emailed colleagues at their government addresses, ensuring that a copy of the correspondence would be retained on government servers and available to archivists. As it turns out, some aides to Hillary Clinton also used private email addresses. But even if Team Hillary's initial claim had held together, it wouldn't matter. Public records laws encompass not just correspondence with other government employees but also emails with third parties about government business.

That's why a particular email flagged by J.K. Trotter is important. Back in 2013, a hacker secured access to the private email account of Sidney Blumenthal, a staffer in Bill Clinton's White House. The hacker sent screenshots of his inbox to various news outlets, including Gawker. "According to those screenshots, Blumenthal was regularly sending Clinton what appeared to be freelance intelligence reports—including information and advice about the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya—all of which clearly fell under the rubric of official State Department business," Trotter writes. "At the time, Gawker noted that Clinton’s apparent use of the non-official account likely violated federal regulations governing records retention, and sent inquiries directly to Clinton and to the White House asking if messages to the clintonemail.com address were being retained."

"The State Department replied to our request by saying that, after an extensive search, it could find no records responsive to our request," Trotter writes. "That is not to say that they found the emails and refused to release them—it is conceivable, after all, that the State Department might have attempted to deny the release of the Clinton-Blumenthal correspondence on grounds of national security or Blumenthal’s own privacy. Instead, the State Department confirmed that it didn’t have the emails at all."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-email-state-department-couldnt-131600127.html

[AtheistCrusader]

1. Oh fuck.

Now I have to listen to a chorus of 'BENGHAZI!!!' shit from the usual suspects on facebook for the next year all over again.
Fuckin' hell.

[Buzz Clik]

6. Brought to you by a poster at DU.

Not necessarily a Democrat or progressive poster. Just someone who really likes to keep the mud stirred.

[Autumn]

14. So the problem is a poster who posted an article from yahoo news?

That's your problem? A poster posted an article from Yahoo news on a democratic message board? Where posters post articles about news and discuss current events.

[question everything]

16. Well said. No need to follow Fox where only "our" news

should be aired.

[Autumn]

17. Obviously if we all ignore this unpleasantness it will all go away,

If we don't see it posted or discussed here in DU it doesn't happen. It's stuff like that that could "waste our beautiful mind"s. We just need to concentrate on puppies, kitties and stuff like that.

[Purveyor]

23. Oh the "beautiful minds' thing made me wonder if I still had this:

Sure enough, the link still works!

[Buzz Clik]

43. No, no, no.

It's one thing to turn one's back on a real problem and pretend it doesn't exist. Yeah, that sucks.

It's quite another call out a malicious smear campaign based on previously debunked bullshit and say, "Get that bullshit out of here!"

[Autumn]

24. Is the news article a lie? If so and if we know that the email referenced was never lost

that information should be posted. I'm off to pick up a prescription. Will check back to see if that information has been posted.

[Buzz Clik]

33. This whole thing is rightwing bullshit, and it really pisses me off....

... when DUers (who may or may not be progressive/Democrat/liberal) so gleefully post it. I'd feel better about it if I could be certain that only rightwing knuckledragging trolls were posting this shit, but I have a horrible feeling that it is being promoted here by Hillary haters. (For the record, I will vote for just about anyone over Hillary in the Dem primary).

As for the innocence of posting current events here: GOP political smears are a very special form of current event. Just as I know that there are poisonous snake outside, I know that I can easily avoid them. When my brother insists on bringing them in the house, I tell him he's an asshole.

[frylock]

40. IDWADDI

it's different when a Democrat does it.

[Buzz Clik]

41. No kidding.

[FarPoint]

15. Ditto for that wisdom.

[840high]

28. What's your problem?

[Buzz Clik]

34. I have no problems at all.

I do, however, take joy on pointing out problems in others.

[frylock]

39. lalalalalalalala

[Cryptoad]

8. Truth stranger than fiction catogory ,,,,,?

Congress on "Alpha House" gave the committee investigating Benghazi an ongoing permanent status...

[lewebley3]

29. If you cant stand the Heat of a political attack by the GOP on Hillary get of the Kitchen!!

Buck up!!: Stay in the Fight!! If you are complaining maybe you
should do something else.
The GOP means to take over the country, if you start whining now,
you will not help the democratic party, or Hillary.
Fight back, don't whine!!!

[question everything]

2. What I don't understand is why did she establish her own server

in the first place. Someone should ask her. I, as a supporter, want to know.

My other question is why the recipients of her emails never question that. When I get an email from a regular correspondent and I notice a new address, I always add it to my addressbook.

One would think that someone should ask: what is this Clintonemail.com? (Or something like that).

[bigdarryl]

5. My question is why the fuck is this a major story over what Former CIA Petraeus just got pleaded for

No major story by the media including MSNBC on his plea agreement.Tweety and O'Donnell have lead all week with the e-mail story

[Cryptoad]

10. HOws about the gay folk in Alabama?

[Sancho]

25. Part of the reason why Hillary (and other politicians) had private email.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6320861

[Autumn]

3. Who didn't see this shit coming from these asses?

The Bengazi!!! crew will chew on this bone till the cows come home.

[AtheistCrusader]

4. I heard a horrible noise on the freeway on the way to work this morning. Wondered what it was.

Apparently it was thousands of neocon pundits across the entire country all creaming their pants at the same time.

Holy shit.

[Buzz Clik]

9. It's happening at DU, too.

ca-ca

[AtheistCrusader]

18. I can understand some of the bitter vet anger about Hillary but damn..

This is going to suck. I'm just not even going to look at FB for a while, because all my friends are in IT, and they're already howling about this whole thing.

[Buzz Clik]

31. So why are IT guys howling? n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

35. 'Herp derp, can't find X e-mail'.

For right now, it's mostly Hillary dealing with Patch Tuesday and InfoSec Taylor Swift twitter feed jokes, but give it a day.

[Buzz Clik]

36. Yeah, I hear you.

She frequently dismisses her kerfuffles in this way. I guess she saw this work for someone else and decided it's the best approach to take.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. It's possible it's fully on the up and up and was implemented by a pro, same as any other Secretary

of State. It sounds like it's normal operating procedure. If that's the case (and it still may be) someone really needs to get in front of the narrative on it. Like, yesterday.

[Buzz Clik]

38. Again, we agree.

I would also say that the stuff she really, really didn't want anybody to see was never ever emailed in the first place. Electronically communicated but not by email.

[jeff47]

51. Unfortunately, they botched it.

The VPN appliance apparently used "factory default", and thus widely-known, encryption keys.

There's also a typosquatter at clintonmail.com (no 'e' in front of 'mail'). Domain registered long before this story broke. I'm very curious who did that.

[TwilightGardener]

7. I don't care that she got intel and advice from outside parties--probably

all cabinet officers do, and I don't think it's wrong, necessarily. But why not be open with it? If she used Blumenthal's little intel reports to make decisions, then the public has a right to know that. She never forwarded the emails to a government system, and without the hack, we'd have never known. That's why her set-up was wrong and unethical. Edit to add: her set-up was almost certainly also hacked at some point, as well.

[TwilightGardener]

12. By the way, if she doesn't forward any email related to the Blumenthal

communications, then she most likely deleted them. Which is bad.

[Android3.14]

30. And if she deleted those, she deleted others

This drumbeat is just going to become louder.

Damaged goods, despite the blind support from the 60+ demographic.

Time to move on.

[planetc]

49. excuse me for just one sec. ...

Andrioid3.14 said:

"Damaged goods, despite the blind support from the 60+ demographic."

It's my guess that the "60+ demographic" is rather a large one, and very prone to showing up on voting day. Do you have any information on the degree of "blindness" they suffer from? Please share any data you have on what could be an important consideration in the 2016 election.

[Android3.14]

52. The 60+ demographic won't carry this election

Besides, the seniors will vote mostly for Republicans. Hillary's biggest supporters tend to be (note that phrase "tend to be&quot senior women who will overlook anything because of the dazzling glamour of the possibility of a woman president.

In general, they don't really care or question if she would be a good President, just as long as she has her turn. This, of course, will not tip the scales in the favor of a Democratic win.

It will be the young and minority voters, those who are familiar with the technology of the day and holding the dirty end of the economic disparity stick, who will carry this election. If the DLC succeeds in crowning Ms. Walmart Van Warmonger as Queen of the Democrats, too many people will have zero motivation to vote.

Check this out


You are welcome.

[KoKo]

44. What I wondered....

is where Sid Blumenthal was getting his info...and since reports were that he was not favored by the Obama Administration to serve at SD...then who was he working for at the time.

I read the Guccifer Hack Screenshot of her e-mail over at "Gawker," after another DU'er gave a link on a thread in "GD." Whether it's true, or not, that Obama Admin kept Sid out of serving in SD the subject lines of the e-mails seemed to show he was sending her info that could possibly sway her views as SOS. They are long time friends so that might not be out of the ordinary....but, who was employing Sid at the time. I didn't see anything that explained it...but, then I'm not a regular "Gawker"reader and don't even know if they are reliable for info.

[whereisjustice]

11. Get used to this shit 24/7. The Clinton's bad judgement based on entitlement is giving

Republicans ammunition. Bad enough we have the shady business of soliciting money for her "foundation" while Sec. of State (campaign foundation?)

We need a nominee who isn't in an sordid relationship with entitlement, power and money.

We can't make progress with Clinton. She won't stick up for us.

[leftofcool]

13. More Ben Gawzi shit!

[Historic NY]

19. According to Smoking Gun...

this allegedly occurred back in 2013. The email was sent to her or an email account purported to be hers.


Most of the e-mail recipients were sent four separate memos that were e-mailed to Clinton by Blumenthal during the past five months. Each memo dealt with assorted developments in Libya, including the September 11, 2012 attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi. One memo marked “Confidential” was sent to Clinton on September 12.

Blumenthal’s memos and e-mails to Clinton were sent to her at a non-governmental e-mail address through the web domain "clintonemail.com."

Blumenthal was not in government service

I get hundreds of e-mails fill with political crap that I just delete...so where is the secret stuff this person citizen Blumenthal was sending.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sidney-blumenthal/hacker-distributes-memos-784091

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Ok, that sounds less bad.

But that won't be the narrative offered by the MSM, even if it is 100% true.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. BENGHAZI??? Better Believe It!!!

Regards,

TWM

[Thinkingabout]

26. Nothing new here, just same old same old.

[lewebley3]

27. Another False Report about Hillary: ABC and New York Times have already got it Wrong!!

The is a nothing story made up by GOP, trolls and Warren supporters,
the story has facts have changed several times in two days.
Hillary did the right thing with her emails, there is no reason to believe
anything else: at this time!!!

[frylock]

42. made up by GOP, trolls and Warren supporters?!

lumping Warren supporters in with that group? way to GOTV!

[Android3.14]

32. Ah, a fresh crop of 'bots and sockpuppets

All scurrying about to either stir the doo-doo, or defend the indefensible.

I sense, in my future, there will come a time when I will look back at my fascination with politics and view the time I spent agonizing over it with the same astonishment I view my love affair with coin-operated videogames, specifically Donkey Kong.

So many quarters lost forever.

[Buzz Clik]

45. +1

... and the usual crowd of enthusiastic fans.

[vadermike]

46. Oh boy

I think we are fucked. Our odds were 50 50 to begin with for 2016 now I don't know. Well say hello to all three branches GOP control and. It another Dem pres for a long while much less congress. Ugh I hope I'm wrong

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Welcome to DU.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Everybody just goes to their respective camps.

“Find me one persuadable voter who agrees with HRC on the issues but will vote against her because she has a non-archival-compliant email system and I’ll kiss your ass in Macy’s window and say it smells like roses,”

-Paul Begala

[itcfish]

50. We Are Our Own

Worse enemy! No wonder republicans control the government.

[DeSwiss]

53. The corruption stinks to the high heavens.

- I'm sick of all these people. They do not represent me nor anything I stand for. Fuck 'em all.

K&R

I do not wish to watch this tired face for another four years of bullshit..........

[DonViejo]

54. Locking...

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