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Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:37 PM

 

C.I.A. Funds Found Their Way Into Qaeda Coffers

Source: New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the spring of 2010, Afghan officials struck a deal to free an Afghan diplomat held hostage by Al Qaeda. But the price was steep — $5 million — and senior security officials were scrambling to come up with the money.

They first turned to a secret fund that the Central Intelligence Agency bankrolled with monthly cash deliveries to the presidential palace in Kabul, according to several Afghan officials involved in the episode. The Afghan government, they said, had already squirreled away about $1 million from that fund.

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The C.I.A., meanwhile, continued dropping off bags of cash — ranging each time from a few hundred thousand dollars to more than $1 million — at the presidential palace every month until last year, when President Hamid Karzai stepped down.

The money was used to buy the loyalty of warlords, legislators and other prominent — and potentially troublesome — Afghans, helping the palace finance a vast patronage network that secured Mr. Karzai’s power base. It was also used to cover expenses that needed to be kept off the books, such as clandestine diplomatic trips, and for more mundane costs, including rent payments for the guesthouses where some senior officials lived.


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Reply C.I.A. Funds Found Their Way Into Qaeda Coffers (Original post)
geek tragedy Mar 2015 OP
Moliere Mar 2015 #1
geek tragedy Mar 2015 #2
Moliere Mar 2015 #5
valerief Mar 2015 #3
Wolf Frankula Mar 2015 #4
leveymg Mar 2015 #6
Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #7
Purveyor Mar 2015 #8
uhnope Mar 2015 #26
99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #11
JonLP24 Mar 2015 #17
99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #18
JonLP24 Mar 2015 #19
99th_Monkey Mar 2015 #22
JonLP24 Mar 2015 #23
uhnope Mar 2015 #27
candelista Mar 2015 #9
freebrew Mar 2015 #10
Mnemosyne Mar 2015 #12
blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #13
JonLP24 Mar 2015 #14
They_Live Mar 2015 #15
rocktivity Mar 2015 #16
JonLP24 Mar 2015 #20
obxhead Mar 2015 #21
deutsey Mar 2015 #24
uhnope Mar 2015 #25

Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:45 PM

1. Not sure why you're surprised

This nonsense has been going on for decades - Iran, Iraq and Aghanistan have received funds and weapons from the Neocons for as long as I can remember

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Response to Moliere (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:48 PM

2. Before discovering it had been directed to AQ, I can see.

 

After?

Ugh.

We stayed about a decade too long there.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:03 PM

5. ^ This +1000

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:54 PM

3. Without an al Qaeda (and its ilk), there'd be no CIA. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 02:56 PM

4. I'm Not Surprised

The CIA has never seen Islamic nutcases it didn't love.

Wolf

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:16 PM

7. The CIA is a bunch of cowboys with secret armies and endless money (ours).

 

Worse than useless.

Not knocking the intelligence analysts, but this thug shit really needs to be reined in.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:40 PM

8. ISIS didn't just 'happen' on its own. I hope I live long enough for the real

 

story to be told on this era's 'foreign policy'.

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:17 PM

26. so ISIS is a part of US foreign policy? Pls tell us more about this fascinating CT

 

bullshit

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:00 PM

11. Reined in? on that we may all agree

 

but the big question is HOW <-- See JFK

Everyone who's tried to reign in the CIA ends up 'mysteriously dead'.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:43 PM

17. Its just a reality side effect

to oil partnerships to the original Wahabbi cult that happen to make a fortune to spread their beliefs with marketing & propaganda. No surprise they'd fund other Wahabbi cults but of all things in the 9/11 commission, the redact who paid for it & blocked lawsuits or Saudi Arabia had no problem filing court arguments while guilt or innocence is decided by religious courts in their country and the 1st rule or law is don't criticize them. Why the US prefers to look the other way I don't know except following the money tends to upset & outrage politically connected & powerful people who just want to cash the checks & look the other way & move on.

In the Bin Laden Manhunt documentary, 2 hours of CIA propaganda but they did reveal rare information the CIA itself typically wouldn't elaborate on. Early into it, one of the analysts starts putting pictures on the famous law investigation board, immediately after she puts Bin Laden photo in comes the guy who I forget his name but she does say it that she says handle the financing, specifically saying he sets up the words "charity fronts". The only time the mention him in the entire documentary but I would have loved to hear them elaborate on.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:53 PM

18. Interesting commentary, but how does that relate to what I posted?

 

You know, like how do we 'reign in' the CIA's troublesome habit of underwriting the very "enemies" that they need to justify never-ending wars and military expenditures, that are bankrupting our nation, both economically and morally.

Sadly I think that train already left the station, long ago.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 05:04 PM

19. I don't think the CIA is directly involved in the financing aspect

or a CIA invention. However, they have certainly allied with the Taliban before & after the name because of their shared pro-capitalist beliefs. Can't remember the title of the book, but a page was sourced the US allied with them very early on when they had the official Taliban name because of the enemy of my enemy thing they had with Iran & the outlook of a specific oil & gas corporation looked good with them in the picture. The economies our Gulf allies I'm sure has a lot of the 1% jealous but lucky enough for them, they have access to oil wells as well as the cheapest labor money can buy.

As far as to more directly, it certainly benefits those who stand to profit from forever war such as private defense contractors so there is certainly motive & they already receive massive subsidies to help them increase their profits. I see nothing but green arrows when I look at Halliburton, the CEO of Halliburton naw he wouldn't get any ideas from the first Gulf War to implement with a President that Cheney claims takes his opinion seriously or have a different kind of President-VP relationship. Can't remember the quote but Cheney describes himself as Bush's top adviser and I don't doubt it at all.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 05:45 PM

22. US military/CIA involvement in the ME is incoherent and at cross purposes

 

but I have no doubt that this is 'by design', and not mere incompetence or chance.
It's all elaborately engineered to insure endless "whack-a-mole" wars to keep the
MIC greed-heads fat and happy.

From you deftly nuanced reply, I gather that you don't agree that the CIA had much if
anything to do with engineering the ongoing never-ending ME cluster-fuck. I don't agree.
Here's a nice little summation of the ME situation that I just ran across today, which
kind of says it all in very few words.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 06:45 PM

23. I think it was more unintentional at-first

the primary thing is in oil & for a very long time Saudi Arabia gives the US a deal, the Roosevelt deal included provided military protection & Saudi Arabia's approval in relations. The next president wasn't interested in their opinion when he recognized Israel, against the recommendation of the advice from his advisers (said he wouldn't vote for someone who took "Mr. Clifford's" advice for President) & their highlight of the importance of their oil in the event of another of another World War said his concerns were with "justice, not oil". Last President to probably say that but his been balancing act with the two countries with Iran being the enemy of my enemy on the receiving end of it.

The National Iranian Oil Company is State-owned so it is pretty easy to figure out why the US treats them as a country ruled by tyrants that is desperately trying to nuke somebody ASAP. If the opened up oil production to ExxonMobile & Shell relations would be very different, I seriously doubt they give a shit about nukes especially considering sanctions directly affect Iran's oil production. Hillary Clinton used Gulf countries in an argument where there wasn't much difference between the two in the response to the question but Hillary threatens Iran off-the-top & accuses them of threatening others in the region

CLINTON: Well, in fact, George, I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel. Of course, I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States.

But I would do the same with other countries in the region. We are at a very dangerous point with Iran. The Bush policy has failed. Iran has not been deterred. They continue to try to not only obtain the fissile material for nuclear weapons, but they are intent upon using their efforts to intimidate the region and to have their way when it comes to the support of terrorism in Lebanon and elsewhere.

And I think that this is an opportunity, with skillful diplomacy, for the United States, to go to the region and enlist the region in a security agreement vis-a-vis Iran.

It would give us three tools we now don't have. Number one, we've got to begin diplomatic engagement with Iran. And we want the region and the world to understand how serious we are about it. I would begin those discussions at a low level. I certainly would not meet with Ahmadinejad because even again today he made light of 9/11, and said that he's not even sure it happened and that people actually died.

He's not someone who would have an opportunity to meet with me in the White House. But I would have a diplomatic process that would engage him.

And secondly, we've got to deter other countries from feeling they have to acquire nuclear weapons. You can't go to the Saudis or the Kuwaitis or UAE and others who have a legitimate concern about Iran and say, well, don't acquire these weapons to defend yourself unless you're also willing to say we will provide a deterrent backup.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4670271&page=16

I'm not sure the timeline to this but Saudi Arabia cut a deal with Pakistan that (their CIA or spies rebranded, trained, & organized the up-start Taliban) will provide them a nuke on-demand and blamed the US for this for not being tough enough on Iran for the reason why they need self-defense nukes. I don't know if she referenced this or predicted this but the publicly claimed reasons for this isn't far from the truth.

The sold it to us for cheaper than a gallon of a Pepsi & took less seriously of the situations brewing until the oil embargo which the brilliant idea to trade guns for oil solved in addition to pressuring them to work with Syria & a couple of issues they took their side against Iran -- one was a land dispute involving Bahrain. Eventually reality responded in combination of the wealth & influence the dominant minority of Saudi Arabia gained combined with their full support of Israel right or wrong. When it comes to Afghanistan there has been armed conflict since 1978, US was right there allying against the lefties. They support right wing militias, dictators, because they play ball with their natural resources & Iran sits on too much oil for them to nationalize production as far as the US is concerned.

Gaddafi, I forgot he was still around until the US started mentioning him again during the Arab spring. Reagan bombed the shit of their boats & his countries targets in general than when the airline atrocity happened him he was blamed with the theory he did it as revenge for all the bombing. He nationalized oil production in 1964 (IIRC) but he was a quiet dictator in comparison to his neighbors but you wouldn't know from the retired & renewed rhetoric.

The wahabbi terrorism works out as bonus because indefinite detention, black sites, CIA torture, & foreign policy are terrific for Al-Qaeda recruiting. US doesn't want to release Guantanamo prisoners but they'll be among the first ones to be there when they get out. Private contractors stand to profit from forever war & there are common sense ways to change direction but nah, the US continues with the status Quo but oil & gas profits with the bonus of private defense industry profits ranks as the primary concern regarding all this. The Wahabbi cults also tend to favorite privatization like other right wing militias.

In fact, right wing militia is an accurate label for ISIS or the Taliban.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:23 PM

27. these guys agree

 


>the Putin cult & their conspiracy theories blaming the US for everything

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:50 PM

9. This is Pertaeus' COIN strategy.

 

His counterinsurgency blueprint: bribe and threaten.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 03:59 PM

10. I'm Shocked! Shocked I tell Ya!!...

It's sort of been obvious for some time now that the US/CIA is behind a LOT(maybe ALL?) of the crap going on throughout the Globe.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:17 PM

12. There is a reason we used to refer to them as Al-CIA'da (sp) here in the past. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:28 PM

13. Remember Bush's pallets of 100 dollar bills that came up "missing"? Same thing happened then!

 




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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:33 PM

14. CIA teamed up with war lords & drug traffickers very early on

Even the Pentagon admitted this was the primary cause of the corruption problems plaguing Afghanistan in addition to contracts, with US contractors often leaving projects unfinished but still paid for it all-the-same. Also, there is a profitable bribe industry in both Afghanistan & Iraq giving businesses contracts to provide numerous things. Some Army majors & a colonel got in the same racket in Kuwait, one of with notes logging up to $30 million in bribes convinced his wife to move to Kuwait because of how much more money she'd make than she would as a school teacher stateside. Soon enough, someone with "suitcases full of cash" dropped them off at her hotel.

Unlike contractors the US military has a criminal justice system inside itself with an independent CID (like IA but much more effective) who caught them and 3 of them killed themselves, often times you see higher ranks (but not too much of the 3 star category) facing criminal charges for something overseas, odds are there were contractors doing the same thing or it was a joint enterprise but the contractors have all the perks without being punished for not being clean shaven or being sentenced to a senseless detail.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:34 PM

15. Always fund both sides of a conflict

guaranteed job security for the MIC.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 04:39 PM

16. Candidate for This Year's "You Call This NEWS?" award

You do know that it's where Osama bin Laden got his start, don't you?


rocktivity

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 05:32 PM

20. One other issue

Why the F did the CIA arm & train Syrian rebels in Qatar of all countries -- the one country that sticks out as a sponsor of terrorism in post-Arab spring. They were quick to act in Tunisia, now most of the foreign fighters in ISIS comes from Tunisia (Saudi Arabia #2)

They certainly screened them but not in a way they couldn't fool them, I'm sure parts of the Free Syrian Army are loyal to ISIS but identify as FSA because of US equipment & aid they can turnover & give them. They already have US tanks they got from somewhere.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sat Mar 14, 2015, 05:39 PM

21. We don't negotiate with terrorists....

 

Until we do.

My guess is that line is complete bs, we do it all the time.

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:24 AM

24. As Gomer Pyle would say

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Response to geek tragedy (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:14 PM

25. CT heads will explode. The jabbering will be nonstop

 

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