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Thu Mar 26, 2015, 12:54 PM

 

Wesleyan student: My college discriminates against fraternities. We’re suing.

Source: Washington Post

After a series of scandals at fraternities on campus, officials at Wesleyan University in Connecticut ordered frats to admit women as members — or shut down.

The move came in the midst of a national debate over Greek life on campus, with racial incidents and sexual assaults making headlines even as membership and volunteerism surges at fraternities across the country.

At Wesleyan, Delta Kappa Epsilon is fighting back. They’re saying the mandate is sexual discrimination, from a university that promotes tolerance. The local chapter and its alumni organization sued the Wesleyan administration.

At the heart of their complaint is the contention that Wesleyan not only tolerates but welcomes housing based on specific interests. Students are required to live on campus all four years and can choose single-sex dorms or special-interest housing, including the “Women of Color House,” the “Light House” for Christian students, “Turath House” for Muslim, Arab and Middle Eastern students, and the “Open House,” which describes itself as a “safe space for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Flexural, Asexual, [We can't print this one!], Polyamorous, Bondage/Disciple, Dominance/ Submission, Sadism/Masochism (LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM) communities.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/03/25/wesleyan-student-my-college-discriminates-against-fraternities-were-suing/

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Reply Wesleyan student: My college discriminates against fraternities. We’re suing. (Original post)
dariomax Mar 2015 OP
PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #1
tularetom Mar 2015 #2
DetlefK Mar 2015 #3
Historic NY Mar 2015 #4
hughee99 Mar 2015 #10
Historic NY Mar 2015 #14
hughee99 Mar 2015 #17
DeSwiss Mar 2015 #21
hughee99 Mar 2015 #22
NobodyHere Mar 2015 #5
LanternWaste Mar 2015 #6
Kelvin Mace Mar 2015 #7
derby378 Mar 2015 #12
Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #16
tammywammy Mar 2015 #19
Larry Engels Mar 2015 #8
bigworld Mar 2015 #9
jeff47 Mar 2015 #11
BobSmith4152 Mar 2015 #13
Chan790 Mar 2015 #15
MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #18
24601 Mar 2015 #20
MosheFeingold Mar 2015 #23

Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:02 PM

1. Flexural? n/t

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:08 PM

2. How the hell do they get any studying done in the "Open House"?

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:08 PM

3. They are suing because a mostly-white fraternity doesn't count as a special-interest minority?

He's mixing the prejudices other students have against frats with the university speeding up a rule-change. He's not really good at making a case against the university itself.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:11 PM

4. There is no right to a fraternity.......

in fact the college itself is engaged in segregation if they allow them to continue. They seem to be the bigger part of the problem with their bizarre housing plan..

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:32 PM

10. Really? A college that allows students to form their own groups is "engaged in segregation"

if they don't stop it?

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 04:52 PM

14. Well they certainly aren't integrating...

everyone has its own separate cliche.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:48 PM

17. Should the administration be required to

Force integration onto students in their own personal time? You can't control who someone chooses to associate with.

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:11 PM

21. Should the college aid and abet it?

 

- I think they should all be shut down. They're an anachronism. They're used to give unwarranted and probably illegal advantage in obtaining a job after college, simply because you're in the right clique.

All B.S.

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 12:27 AM

22. I'm not sure that outlawing fraternaties will fix any of this, and if you're going to outlaw them

what other student groups would you also consider outlawing? I'm willing to bet their golf team is mostly white kids too.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:13 PM

5. If they can have a "Women of Color" house

 

Why not a "white male" house?

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:17 PM

6. That would be the majority of fraternities, whether they advertise it as such or not.

 

"Why not a "white male" house?"

That would be the vast majority of fraternities, whether they advertise it as such or not.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:23 PM

7. (LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM)

 

OK, someone is just trolling now.

(LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM)

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:44 PM

12. Gesundheit!

Talk about alphabet soup...

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:07 PM

16. Good "I Spy" Kelvin!

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:51 PM

19. That's what Wesleyan calls it

Open House is a safe space for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Flexual, Asexual, Genderfuck, Polyamourous, Bondage/Disciple, Dominance/Submission, Sadism/Masochism (LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM) communities and for people of sexually or gender dissident communities. The goals of Open House include generating interest in a celebration of queer life from the social to the political to the academic. Open House works to create a Wesleyan community that appreciates the variety and vivacity of gender, sex and sexuality.


http://www.wesleyan.edu/reslife/housing/program/open_house.htm

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:25 PM

8. If anyone needs to get discriminated against, it's fraternities.

 

They are a big drag on the intellectual mission of the university.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 01:27 PM

9. How about just a random house where you have to live amicably with whom chance assigns you

All this self-segregating can't be good for kids once they get out in the real world.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 02:38 PM

11. I think our acronyms might be getting a bit too long. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 03:30 PM

13. I used to think so back in the '80s, but my last girlfriend was 4 or 5 of those

initials (at least) plus a little Asperger-y

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 05:02 PM

15. Geez, these kids are dumb.

 

You do what we did in college...we wanted a fraternity house on campus so we started a men's safe-space religious communal-living organization. (A lay-monastic community...it's a very-Catholic college; they weren't going to say no.)

As part of the approval as a "community-life organization" were given a small dorm (what they call a "house"...18 dorm-rooms with a common-area and common-kitchen). All the fraternity brothers joined the men's monastic community and suddenly we had our own dorm.

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Response to dariomax (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 06:38 PM

18. As a lawyer, it's intiguing

We are guaranteed "freedom of association" under the 1st Amendment.

By corollary, this includes "freedom of disassociation;" that is, you get to pick your members.

So, they have a legal point, assuming the college can be deemed a state actor. (This is fuzzy issue that I won't go into here.)

Doesn't mean they are not a bunch of putzes.

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Response to MosheFeingold (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 26, 2015, 09:57 PM

20. State actor or private school? When they accept federal or state funds, does that change the rules?

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Response to 24601 (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:38 AM

23. All really questions

And I really don't know the answers. I worked for/with the DNC or various Democratic candidates for 30 years. Elections laws? That I can answer.

I do know that state schools are state actors in most regards, and so have to put up with stuff, whether they like it or not.

I've gotten old. If people want to be assholes, let them do whatever (providing they don't hurt people) and ignore them.

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