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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:42 PM Mar 2015

BREAKING: Italy's Highest Court Overturns Amanda Knox Murder Conviction

Source: Associated Press

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-27/italian-court-annuls-amanda-knox-murder-conviction

Amanda Knox murder conviction overturned by Italy high court

BY COLLEEN BARRY AND FRANCES D'EMILIO
MAR. 27, 2015 5:43 PM EDT

ROME (AP) — Italy's highest court has overturned the murder conviction against Amanda Knox and her ex-boyfriend, bringing to a definitive end the high-profile case.

The decision by the supreme Court of Cassation is the final ruling in the case, ending the long legal battle waged by Knox and co-defendant Raffaele Sollecito. Both Knox, who was awaiting the verdict in her hometown of Seattle, and Sollecito have long maintained their innocence.

The supreme Court of Cassation overturned last year's convictions by a Florence appeals court, and declined to order another trial. The decision means the judges, after thoroughly examining the case, concluded that a conviction could not be supported by the evidence. Their reasoning will be released within 90 days.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/018d6a0ba12845aba0dfa91adbef968e/lawyer-knoxs-ex-boyfriend-makes-final-court-appeal

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BREAKING: Italy's Highest Court Overturns Amanda Knox Murder Conviction (Original Post) Hissyspit Mar 2015 OP
Until they get bored enough to re-convict her again? hedgehog Mar 2015 #1
Nope--they shut it down for good. No more appeals or revisits. MADem Mar 2015 #14
Maybe that corrupt liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #42
They'd have to come over here and stalk her! MADem Mar 2015 #52
Were I she, I would never step foot in Italy again under any circumstances. Shrike47 Mar 2015 #87
I agree. That prosecutor might be very perturbed at losing this case...and no doubt there MADem Mar 2015 #92
YES! YES! YES! TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #2
and rtracey Mar 2015 #53
Lack of DNA evidence at crime scene TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #54
Those "other reasons" also include... regnaD kciN Mar 2015 #55
No real evidence or plausible motive for Amanda Knox's guilt cpwm17 Mar 2015 #56
Good post. TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #58
No. You cannot have what that woman at the other table is having! Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #83
Good. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #3
GREAT news! elleng Mar 2015 #4
And the court could have tossed it back down TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #5
THEY ARE FREE!!!!! pnwmom Mar 2015 #6
Seattleites must be rejoicing! TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #7
OMG. pnwmom Mar 2015 #9
This became quite personal for me a few weeks ago... regnaD kciN Mar 2015 #57
I'm glad that Amanda and Raffaele's nightmare is finally over. I thought for sure that were about to StevieM Mar 2015 #64
I was also convinced since the beginning that they were innocent davidpdx Mar 2015 #71
Are they also going to rule separately on the Sollecito conviction, Suich Mar 2015 #10
Hopefully that's the last bite of the damn rotten apple. That was a bullshit charge, and a bullshit MADem Mar 2015 #8
It is, with regard to criminal charges. pnwmom Mar 2015 #11
I doubt they'll get any traction, if pursued. MADem Mar 2015 #16
When it comes to civil claims... regnaD kciN Mar 2015 #59
Good. Finally this circus is over. smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #12
Relieved for Knox. This has been an outrage mainer Mar 2015 #13
That will be difficult to do TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #18
I lost sympathy for the Kercher family long ago mainer Mar 2015 #19
Yes, a lot of people have to go through tragedies in their lives. cpwm17 Mar 2015 #21
Me too. Their loss does not give them the right to persecute the innocent. n/t Downtown Hound Mar 2015 #25
Just like the corrupt prosecutor in this case. liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #45
I'm glad. bravenak Mar 2015 #15
This is great news Gothmog Mar 2015 #17
Season 2 of The Jinx! alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #20
lol Renew Deal Mar 2015 #50
All things considered, I think the study abroad went well alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #97
The hack prosecutor isn't going to be happy one bit... Archae Mar 2015 #22
Knox and Sollecito should sue for malicious prosecution if possible. n/t cpwm17 Mar 2015 #23
good for them heaven05 Mar 2015 #24
The conviction was over turned Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2015 #26
I suspect a lot of potential American tourists and study-abroad students and programs tblue37 Mar 2015 #30
No it's still a top tourist attraction for Americans JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #34
I wonder if Americans are still as popular in that city with the Italians. Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #78
Yes - because those that can afford to go JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #93
There certainly are red flags flying that is for sure Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2015 #38
If I ever make it back to Europe I will be skipping Italy davidpdx Mar 2015 #72
A sad day for witch burners, the pathologically cynical who automatically believe Downtown Hound Mar 2015 #27
Fantastic news Renew Deal Mar 2015 #28
Waiting for all those who insisted Knox and Sollecito are guilty to arrive and eat crow riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #29
The sort of people who could swallow that ridiculous story in the first place are perfectly capable tblue37 Mar 2015 #32
Oh I know. Just couldn't resist... riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #39
Well, I expect they didn't realise that Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #76
Oh that's certainly true riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #82
So, all the other judges involved, including in the pre-trial Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #85
You do know they were declared innocent before right? riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #86
You do know she is still a convicted criminal, who served a year, Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #88
I'm sorry. I thought we were having a conversation. riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #90
You obviously know nothing about the interrogation... regnaD kciN Apr 2015 #99
I remember a couple of them liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #46
And the attorney who was working on the civil lawsuit won't get his cut of the pnwmom Mar 2015 #49
Were they mostly British users? PersonNumber503602 Mar 2015 #60
Divided by nationalities because of tabloid press TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #61
It's not just the tabloid websites that are filled with ridiculous comments. I was Chakab Mar 2015 #67
Here the Daily Mail: cpwm17 Mar 2015 #68
The content and the tone of those posts really speak to the way that the case was covered across the Chakab Mar 2015 #98
'...even from reputable media outlets.' Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #81
We're just as one-eyed in the UK as you. We took out the copyright. Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #77
Kercher alcibiades_mystery Mar 2015 #62
That will be a long wait. Major Hogwash Mar 2015 #65
Thank heavens. This Italian legal saga has been Surya Gayatri Mar 2015 #31
Glad to hear it. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #33
I'm glad for myself! JustAnotherGen Mar 2015 #35
Freaking GOOD! Daemonaquila Mar 2015 #36
I hope she sues Italy for a year's GDP pscot Mar 2015 #37
Not feeling good about Italy. realFedUp Mar 2015 #40
YES, FINALLY! liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #41
Great she won't have to Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #70
She never did cartwheels. Got your news only from the tabloids? TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #73
Of course, she didn't. Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #79
Congrats! angrychair Mar 2015 #43
Good, this whole farce was horrible. Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author avebury Mar 2015 #47
Free Amanda! bluestateguy Mar 2015 #48
I don't care if she did it or not. Larry Engels Mar 2015 #51
Seems Wabbajack_ Mar 2015 #63
Oh, thank God. nt Hekate Mar 2015 #66
No need for any more cartwheels. Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #69
So you apparently bought the obvious lies. cpwm17 Mar 2015 #74
Obviously, you got your news from the tabloids, only TexasMommaWithAHat Mar 2015 #75
Sure. Yet another scandalous misrepresentation. Bloody Internet news sites! Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #80
Sure. The waiting officials couldn't tell the difference between Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #89
I dono joe Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2015 #94
I wouldn't bother. He's obviously liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #95
If he has anything to come back with we will see. Wash. state Desk Jet Mar 2015 #96
I am so glad to hear this davidpdx Mar 2015 #84
I'm buying new underwear to celebrate. jberryhill Mar 2015 #91

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Nope--they shut it down for good. No more appeals or revisits.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:57 PM
Mar 2015

It was a witch hunt, and it's over.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
42. Maybe that corrupt
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:11 PM
Mar 2015

prosecutor, who'd been cited for prosecutorial misconduct on previous cases, will finally get what's coming to him. But, knowing the Italian "justice" system the way it's shown itself in this case, I'm not holding my breath at all. He and his team are probably busy now trying to figure out how to continue their legal torturing of her.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. They'd have to come over here and stalk her!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:52 PM
Mar 2015

The court--finally--drew a line under this hot mess. She and her former boyfriend are free and will never again be harassed by the government for this crime. If I were her, I'd consider Italy a "Been There, Done That" item on the bucket list, though--all that Italian she learned is pretty useless, unless she decides to be an interpreter over here or joins the State Department and gets a job over there that INCLUDES diplomatic immunity. I'd never visit if I were her with either that or SOFA protections--I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
92. I agree. That prosecutor might be very perturbed at losing this case...and no doubt there
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:45 PM
Mar 2015

are people who bet on the outcome who aren't happy at losing a packet, either.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
54. Lack of DNA evidence at crime scene
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:19 PM
Mar 2015

No motive.

And lots of other reasons.

Oh, by the way, the Supreme Court not only overturned the conviction, it stated that they did not commit the crime. Normally, courts use words like "not enough evidence to convict."

In about 90 days, the court's written decision will be available if you want to read it. I'm sure it will be translated in English if you don't read Italian. (I don't. )

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
55. Those "other reasons" also include...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:23 PM
Mar 2015

...autopsy reports (creatively ignored by the judges at the first and third trials), establishing that Kercher was killed several hours before the time claimed by the prosecution -- and a time when Knox and Sollecito had a clear alibi.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
56. No real evidence or plausible motive for Amanda Knox's guilt
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:25 PM
Mar 2015

There is loads of evidence for the actual killer.

Meredith Kercher probably walked in on Rudy Guede, who had broken into her cottage. It was Rudy Guede's MO to throw rocks into windows, and if no one responds, Rudy Guede would enter through the broken window. At least one time shortly before he murdered Meredith Kercher, Rudy Guede had stayed in the building. That indicates he could potentially be very dangerous:



Rudy Guede had broken Meredith Kercher's cottage window, obviously to break into the cottage. He then raped and murdered Meredith Kercher. He left his DNA at the scene.

There is no evidence that Amanda Knox was present. None of her clothes had any blood stains, despite the bloody mess. There is no plausible reason for Amanda Knox to help Rudy Guede murder her roommate.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
58. Good post.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:32 PM
Mar 2015

Thankfully, it is finally over.

There are still many wrongfully convicted people right here in the U.S.

www.innocenceproject.org

www.injustice-anywhere.org

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
7. Seattleites must be rejoicing!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:50 PM
Mar 2015

So happy for everyone involved.

Now, may the Kerchers find peace. May they someday realize that the only murderer is in prison. Of course, since he's getting out for school/work release I don't see how they can be happy about that.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
9. OMG.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:52 PM
Mar 2015

I don't know her personally, but a number of my friends do. And my son was in a small class with her at U.W.

She and Raffaele are genuinely nice people who have been put through hell. But it's finally over.

I am in tears.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
57. This became quite personal for me a few weeks ago...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:31 PM
Mar 2015

I'd been convinced of the pair's innocence since I first took a serious look at the evidence around the time of the first appeal, but I had only the interest of someone outraged at injustice in general. However, in the past couple of months, Knox has become engaged to the son of a friend (in fact, one who was a groomsman at my own wedding), whose family knew her since she was a middle-schooler (needless to say, they knew her character well enough to be able to say with assurance that there's no way she could have ever killed anyone). When today's verdict came down, needless to say, there was much jubilation being expressed by all of us on my friend's Facebook page!

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
64. I'm glad that Amanda and Raffaele's nightmare is finally over. I thought for sure that were about to
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:25 AM
Mar 2015

start a new phase where Italy sought extradition.

This whole process has been so shameful, from the corrupt police investigation, to the out-of-control prosecutor, to the kangaroo court. And let's not let the broader Italian society off the hook either.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
71. I was also convinced since the beginning that they were innocent
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:37 AM
Mar 2015

I read her book and have to say it was quite informative. She has a blog and I have read that as well.

Suich

(10,642 posts)
10. Are they also going to rule separately on the Sollecito conviction,
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:52 PM
Mar 2015

or is it all over?

Never mind...just got my answer.

Terrific news, at last!!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. Hopefully that's the last bite of the damn rotten apple. That was a bullshit charge, and a bullshit
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:51 PM
Mar 2015

conviction. DNA on a brassiere clasp? Please.

Your link goes to a different story with a banner about the overturning. Here's one that goes to the story itself:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-27/italian-court-annuls-amanda-knox-murder-conviction

Though they haven't written anything there, yet.

Here's one with a wee bit o'verbiage:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2015/mar/27/amanda-knox-murder-trial-italy-court-decision-live-updates

In a stunning turn of a legal saga lasting more than seven years, Italy’s high court has not only rejected the convictions of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, they have annulled them and declined the order another retrial.

After 10 hours of deliberations the ruling closes the case, and Knox and Sollecito are free without fear of charges or, in Knox’s case, extradition to Italy.

Near Knox’s home in Seattle, Nicky Woolf hears what he believes are fireworks.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
11. It is, with regard to criminal charges.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:53 PM
Mar 2015

I don't know what the status is of the various civil claims.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. I doubt they'll get any traction, if pursued.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:59 PM
Mar 2015

The "evidence" has all been discredited. It was prosecutorial misconduct of the worst sort, and the appeals court saw that.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
59. When it comes to civil claims...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:34 PM
Mar 2015

...that can cut both ways. There are unconfirmed reports that Sollecito and/or Knox will sue certain parties for their roles in this charade. (I hope someone cleans out the Satanic-sex-crimes-obsessed prosecutor, without whom this case would have been solved as a simple break-in relatively quickly.)

mainer

(12,016 posts)
13. Relieved for Knox. This has been an outrage
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 05:57 PM
Mar 2015

And the Kercher family is going to have to come to grips with reality.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
18. That will be difficult to do
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:07 PM
Mar 2015

They speak no Italian and have been relying on their attorney who hoped to make a lot of money, I'm sure, in a civil trial. You know, all the millions "foxy knoxy" made on her book? (Spent on attorneys, expert witnesses, living expenses for her family for 4 four years in Italy. Someone was always there with her, and family members took turns staying in Italy. Her family took out mortgages on their homes.)

It's over. I wish the Kercher family well, but after this many years, they will need to face the fact that demonizing Amanda does not make their deceased daughter any more angelic than she already was. She was apparently a sweet, hard working, fun loving girl who also had sex and was going out with the guy who lived in the basement and grew weed. Continuing the vendetta will never bring her back.

I can't imagine what they have gone through, but after this many years...yeah, they are going to have to come to grips with reality or their hatred will destroy their lives what is left of their lives.

mainer

(12,016 posts)
19. I lost sympathy for the Kercher family long ago
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:18 PM
Mar 2015

They weren't interested in justice. They were invested only in vengeance, and they didn't care if their target was innocent or not.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
21. Yes, a lot of people have to go through tragedies in their lives.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

Most people manage to do it without victimizing innocent people.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
45. Just like the corrupt prosecutor in this case.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:16 PM
Mar 2015

And just like a lot of prosecutors in this country, too. To hell with true justice, which means properly convicting the RIGHT people, they just want the conviction under their belt. And, for the more sinister among them, they want the fame and career boost from doing so.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
97. All things considered, I think the study abroad went well
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Mar 2015

She got long-term immersion in Italian language and culture, and got to learn the ins-and-outs of the Italian legal system as well. This wasn't just a semester spent getting drunk on vino and slurping down Umbrian food, and roadtrips to Florence and Rimini! She really got a top-notch education.

Archae

(46,292 posts)
22. The hack prosecutor isn't going to be happy one bit...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:29 PM
Mar 2015

I hope he ends up disbarred as the result of his misconduct.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
26. The conviction was over turned
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:52 PM
Mar 2015

But it ain't all over. On the civil end there are those remaining issues of forced confession/confessions. For example ,the pub owner
who was implicated or said to have had some type of connection to the crime committed as it will appear committed to paper
and introduced as evidence at trial. That means the matters of police corruption/forced confession statements and prosecution's tampering with evidence,fabricating
evidence, misrepresenting facts and statements all of which connect into civil suits.And the cops were servants to the prosecutor.-Not all of them but some of them. The pub owner filed civil suit in Italy years ago.Actually during the first trial.


Those two extra years added on to Amanda Knox's 26 year sentence. Actually at that point in the proceedings it became clear that the prosecutor over there was on a self proclaimed mission which lead to suspicion of police methods of interrogation were most likely terroristic -more-so a likeness to water boarding.Grant it terroristic is a hard choice of words given the political climate regarding
global terrorism ,however fact is she was terrorized.

My suspicion at the time of the charge placed against her for falsifying a statement implicating the pub owner of having involvement
in the crime is that ,that was additional punishment to the charges for not having cooperated with the police forced confession.
That meant the prosecutor had long since decided to make her guilty by every and any means available to him.

The truth is they decided they could not afford the truth be known ,in Italy or elsewhere,so they decided to throw the american under the bus, make her the sacrificial lamb.

Think about it, a known thieving ,drug dealing drifter in a little old Italian collage town with a number of foreign exchange students
coming and going- why who would sent their children to such a place that will allow that sort of thing to go on.
And the Italian people would be at high alarm.

To the prosecutor it seemed a practical political choice. And he must have figured the political winds were with him given the
political/diplomatic standing between the U.S. and Italy. Aside from that Italy is much closer to England or the UK through the EU. Practical it
just must have seemed to them.

She is free now, and it came at a high price.



tblue37

(65,211 posts)
30. I suspect a lot of potential American tourists and study-abroad students and programs
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:18 PM
Mar 2015

will decide to go elsewhere now instead of spending their time and money in Italy.

JustAnotherGen

(31,769 posts)
34. No it's still a top tourist attraction for Americans
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:24 PM
Mar 2015

I think top 20 most traveled to abroad. Would have to check my travel stats though.

JustAnotherGen

(31,769 posts)
93. Yes - because those that can afford to go
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
Mar 2015

Are spending their money!

The only country I've visited with strongly anti American sentiments was Ireland near the end of the Bush Adminstration.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
38. There certainly are red flags flying that is for sure
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:53 PM
Mar 2015

One thing Amanda Knox seemed to maintain in her personal belief system is faith in the judicial process . Her faith took a severe blow
after the the case flip flopped and the guilty veridic was reinstated though she did hold her own throughout the process.

And percentage wise regarding tourism I do not think the American market will be affected much if any at all. We don't believe they are out to get us because they don't like us. And we have our fair share of corrupt judges and prosecutors ,bad apples if you will.

On the students abroad /forign exchange students down those avenues, yes I agree damage has been done and they will no doubt
be working on restoring the integrity .

On a side note, I really don't know how much of a percentage the american tourism market is to Italy's econmy verses the eurpoean
market ,asian and mid eastern market or in relation to over all market. Again,we really don't believe they are out to get us.

However with Italy's issues with organized crime which the pope has been out spoken about and this crazy psychopathic prosecutor
who is of international concern- indeed there are red flags flying about-certainly cause for concern.

We do know the Italian people on the by and large were played by that nazi style monster.



davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
72. If I ever make it back to Europe I will be skipping Italy
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:43 AM
Mar 2015

As much as I would have liked to see the country, the fact that their justice system was used to abuse an American is fucking bullshit. There are plenty of other countries in Europe I'd like to see (actually too many) and skipping Italy makes it easier to see the others.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
27. A sad day for witch burners, the pathologically cynical who automatically believe
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:53 PM
Mar 2015

the worst in anybody, and the not-too-bright.

A great day for everybody else! Whoo Hoo!

Renew Deal

(81,841 posts)
28. Fantastic news
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:59 PM
Mar 2015

She is a free woman for the first time in 8 years. Same with Sollecito.

I hope they pay her for her legal fees and wrongful imprisonment.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
29. Waiting for all those who insisted Knox and Sollecito are guilty to arrive and eat crow
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:03 PM
Mar 2015


Really I'm so happy to hear this verdict.



tblue37

(65,211 posts)
32. The sort of people who could swallow that ridiculous story in the first place are perfectly capable
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:21 PM
Mar 2015

this verdict as a miscarriage of justice. They decided long ago that she must be guilty, and nothing is going to shake their faith in that.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
39. Oh I know. Just couldn't resist...
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:05 PM
Mar 2015


They won't come on this thread I bet. Somehow I'm sure they're now "too busy".



Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
76. Well, I expect they didn't realise that
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:55 AM
Mar 2015

'Money talks, bullsh*t walks' could have a judicial meaning.

Don't get over-excited. One of the first things a student lawyer learns is that legal justice is not necessarily true justice, or your courts would be tied up from morning to night with homicidal, rogue police and their corrupt, judicial sponsors. It seems very suspicious to me that you all came on here so early. If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well, eh? Credit where it's due.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
82. Oh that's certainly true
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:13 AM
Mar 2015

and Sollecito especially a had star powered lawyer however the judge didn't just rule that there wasn't enough evidence, she ruled that they were completely innocent. She went way beyond a shadow of a doubt which anyone who'd actually took some time to study the case would know was factually correct.



Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
85. So, all the other judges involved, including in the pre-trial
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:21 AM
Mar 2015

hearings, were imbeciles. I see. And God will be impressed by this judge's certitude for sure.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
86. You do know they were declared innocent before right?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:31 AM
Mar 2015

thats why Amanda Knox is back in Seattle and Rafael Sollecito was not in jail. This was another attempt to re-try them again. They've been found guilty, innocent and now completely exonerated.

I respectfully suggest you actually read the case. There's no way they did this and once the Entire case was laid out, instead of the partial truths heard in other trials, it became obvious.

This thread tackles a lot of the misperceptions and errors many people have had about Knox, Sollecito, Guede and Kercher...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026411594

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
88. You do know she is still a convicted criminal, who served a year,
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:53 AM
Mar 2015

I think, in prison.

Moreover, she tried to shift the blame for the poor girl's murder onto an innocent man. How wicked is that! That, in itself, is tantamount to a sort of attempted murder, a long drawn-out one - considering she herself had initially been sentenced to 26 years.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
90. I'm sorry. I thought we were having a conversation.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 11:00 AM
Mar 2015

I guess I was wrong.

Please carry on with your lies about the case, and feel free to have the last word.

The rest of us will continue to celebrate that justice was finally served.




regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
99. You obviously know nothing about the interrogation...
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:49 AM
Apr 2015

You might want to read this and educate yourself about what's known as the Reid Technique, loved by law enforcement for getting suspects to believe what the police want them to admit -- whether it's true or not.

One of the more notable uses of that interrogation (really, "brainwashing" would be a more accurate term) technique was in the case of Peter Reilly (covered in the book A Death in Caanan) who, after an all-night questioning session eerily similar to what Knox was subjected to, confessed fully to having stabbed his mother to death. It was only later when ironclad alibi evidence emerged establishing beyond a doubt that he was ten miles away at the time she was murdered.

Studies have shown that the Reid Technique is actually somewhat more effective at getting innocent people to confess than guilty ones.

Of course, if you're a diehard "guilter" (as so many are in this case), you long ago established a position of "I know what happened -- don't confuse me with facts."

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
46. I remember a couple of them
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:21 PM
Mar 2015

insisted she was guilty because the Kerchners were convinced she was guilty, therefore that was good enough for them. Facts and tainted/no evidence be damned. It was all about the Kerchners and what they believed. But the Kerchners only knew what the corrupt prosecutors and police told them, frankly, and of course they're going to want to believe them. No amount of reasoning was getting through to them. They were like prosecutors who must have a conviction no matter what, even if it was the wrong person. Disgusting.

pnwmom

(108,950 posts)
49. And the attorney who was working on the civil lawsuit won't get his cut of the
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:29 PM
Mar 2015

millions they were awarded since the criminal case failed to end in a conviction.

He's the one I don't feel a bit sorry for.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
60. Were they mostly British users?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:35 PM
Mar 2015

I don't really know anything about this case, but whenever I see it discussed, I notice it's almost always divided by nationalities.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
61. Divided by nationalities because of tabloid press
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 10:53 PM
Mar 2015

There was quite a bit of negative press against "foxy knoxy" here, but thanks to a lot of people who worked to get the real facts out, the tide turned here in the U.S.

However, the tabloid press coverage of Amanda Knox has been unrelenting in the U.K. If you view the tabloid websites, there are still people who are convinced Knox and Sollecito murdered Meredith Kercher, but don't know that Rudy Guede has already been convicted of the crime.

Not to mention the misogynism. Yikes. Doncha' know that Knox had a sex life and was a very naughty girl?

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
67. It's not just the tabloid websites that are filled with ridiculous comments. I was
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 06:55 AM
Mar 2015

reading this story on the Guardian's website, and a good percentage of the commenters seemed incensed about the fact that Kercher's murder was going "unpunished."

These people don't even know who Rudy Guede is, yet they're convinced that they know details of the case well enough to be certain of Knox and Sollecito's guilt.

The press coverage of this story in the UK and continental Europe has been shockingly bad even from reputable media outlets.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
68. Here the Daily Mail:
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 08:33 AM
Mar 2015

The majority of British commenter's think she's guilty and most Americans think she's innocent. I guess the British take their infamous tabloids seriously:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3014378/Amanda-Knox-Raffaele-Sollecito-CLEARED-murdering-Meredith-Kercher.html#reader-comments

Scotland, 3 minutes ago
Read the opinions of body language experts. She's so fake. From her emotions to the way she positions her hands. She's acting, her emotions are fake and staged. I see right through it. Just your standard textbook sociopath

Lancashire, United Kingdom, 16 minutes ago
I've read the facts on this case and she is, in my opinion, obviously and completely guilty. Why keep changing your story otherwise??? Why can't they remember where they were the night of the murder? And to scream and shout in joy when she heard the verdict is an absolute disgrace. A young woman was murdered for gods sake. She's a vulgar disgrace and has got away with murder.

-reply: DC Clark, USA, moments ago
I guess you missed the fact her DNA was not found but the guy who is in jail left behind a bloody palm print and DNA. But dont let that little pesky fact get in your way

Essex, United Kingdom, 17 minutes ago
Evil little actress. Guilty of many things. A Stain on Italian justice!!!!

Cork, Ireland, 18 minutes ago
I don't think she did it but I do think she has a fair idea who did
 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
98. The content and the tone of those posts really speak to the way that the case was covered across the
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 02:52 PM
Mar 2015

pond.

If you notice, almost all of the posters who are convinced of Knox's guilt are saying that she is so solely on the basis of the notions that she "looks guilty" to them, that she was allegedly jealous of Meredith, that she behaved "oddly" after the crime scene and that her school nickname was "Foxy," which is supposed to be offensive for some reason that escapes me. In other words, they're just regurgitating all of the tabloid headlines that have been printed for the past seven years.

I hope that somebody uses this ordeal to do a case study about how effective the media is at shaping people's perceptions.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
31. Thank heavens. This Italian legal saga has been
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:19 PM
Mar 2015

dragging on for 7 long years.

It seemed to be a travesty and bungled mess from the start.

JustAnotherGen

(31,769 posts)
35. I'm glad for myself!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 07:26 PM
Mar 2015

I was afraid some diplomacy bullshit would keep me from my citizenship on the 15th next month! That's what our immigration attorney in Firenze was worried about.

liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
41. YES, FINALLY!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:09 PM
Mar 2015

I am so very relieved to see that common sense has finally prevailed in that nutball country's so-called "justice" system! This was nothing more than a professional witchhunt begun by a corrupt prosecutor who'd been cited for misconduct on previous cases and continued by a system that simply could not accept being wrong and losing their convenient scapegoat. Now, can they PLEASE FINALLY LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE! If I were her, I'd sue them for every cent I could get. She will never be able to get her life back the way it should have been.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
70. Great she won't have to
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:03 AM
Mar 2015

do any more cartwheels to relieve the stress, isn't it?

Yep. A real nutball country! Imagine asking her why she was doing cartwheels in the police station where she was interrogated concerning the death of her flat-mate a little earlier! Some countries!

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
73. She never did cartwheels. Got your news only from the tabloids?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:46 AM
Mar 2015

50 hours of interrogation of 4 days is stressful, is it not? She did some yoga stretches while waiting to relieve stress. Her female companion was offended by the weird American girl.

Neither did she buy a mop and bleach and clean up the crime scene. That's not in the court record, because that was tabloid gossip.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
79. Of course, she didn't.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:02 AM
Mar 2015

Last edited Thu Apr 30, 2015, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

It's must have been so easy for those rotten, lying Italian police to confuse the most well-known practice for keeping the mind, heart and body in a state of tranquility and peace, with the ultimate expression of exuberance.

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
63. Seems
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 11:46 PM
Mar 2015

like Italy has a ridiculous judicial system.

Prosecutors can appeal? I thought that was a third world thing,

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
75. Obviously, you got your news from the tabloids, only
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:50 AM
Mar 2015

Or second-hand sources that relied on the tabloid sensationalism.

Knox never did cartwheels. She did yoga while waiting for officials to relieve stress.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
89. Sure. The waiting officials couldn't tell the difference between
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:56 AM
Mar 2015

yoga, an extremely guarded and deliberate exercise, with the ultimate extravaganza of joy - cartwheels!

Oh, but of course. The Italian police are notoriously all a bunch of unconscionable liars, in this case, highly motivated, albeit mysteriously, to 'get her', by any means, fair or foul.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
94. I dono joe
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:14 PM
Mar 2015

but my guess is yer stuck on peculiarities ,of that came much junk news about the case and junk news served the greed mongers
down the avenues of sustaining public interest and profits.

Sollecito's defense in a ditch effort went with that in attempt to separate Sollectio 's case from Knox's.

Clearly the defense teams and the prosecution had no clue what the supreme court would hand down.

And if you were fallowing those newspapers or watching media coverage what was put out there seemed to indicate
the guilty verdict would be upheld and by your posts,that seems to be the judgment call you were looking for.

What is fair is what the supreme court saw as foul ,so that to fact ,you know the truth ,however it seems you choose not to except
what the truth is for what it is.

In the Rolling Stones song lyrics form sympathy for the devil quote "and all the cops are criminals and all the sinners saints.
If lyrics are poetry imagine getting a mind wrap around what all that means,

Certainly all the cops are not criminals and all the sinners are not saints ,but what in the world does that mean ?

Well, I dono joe -all that is complicated ,kind of like a philosophical rift-like a bottomless pit.
Con's lie and cops do too ,that we know. The law is the pursuit of truth and the cops are in pursuit
of solving cases ,so indeed yes sometimes cops do lie. And lawyers, it's all about the win ,they want to win cases not loose
cases.Do lawyers lie? Hell yes they do. Complicated stuff when you try to get a mind wrap around it.

The Kercher's lost a family member a mother lost her child- she doesn't understand how what was viewed as evidence
can not be real evidence. Philosophical rift-likeness to bottomless pit,it's dark and speaks not. It is all very very complicated.










liberalhistorian

(20,814 posts)
95. I wouldn't bother. He's obviously
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:29 PM
Mar 2015

one of those "don't give me the facts, my mind is made up" types. Kinda like the corrupt prosecutor who made up all kinds of shit about Satanic sex games and the like and then got obsessed with it. It's no wonder he'd been cited for prosecutorial misconduct on other cases he'd conducted prior to this one.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
96. If he has anything to come back with we will see.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 01:38 PM
Mar 2015

If not just another one who has assigned guilt based on ill formed publicity.Trial by media you might say.
Tabloid justice or injustice, Murdoc and all that.


davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
84. I am so glad to hear this
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:19 AM
Mar 2015

I have believed from the beginning she was innocent. I hope she is able to get on with her life now.

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