O'Malley: Presidency 'not some crown' families should share

[Larry Engels]

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — Potential Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley said Sunday that the country needs fresh perspectives for confronting its problems and criticized the prospects of the Clinton and Bush families yet again seeking the White House.

"The presidency of the United States is not some crown to be passed between two families," the former Maryland governor told ABC's "This Week."

O'Malley spoke as former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is considered a likely candidate and clear front runner for the Democratic nomination. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is considered a probable contender for the Republican nomination.

"I think that our country always benefits from new leadership and new perspectives," O'Malley said. He added, "We need a president who's on our side, a president who's willing to take on powerful, wealthy special interests" to restore the economy.

Asked if Clinton would take on special interests, O'Malley said, "I don't know. I don't know where she stands. Will she represent a break with the failed policies of the past? I don't know."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/omalley-presidency-not-crown-families-share-145135627--election.html

[L0oniX]

3. Message removed by jury decision.

[NYC_SKP]

11. Message deleted.

Name removed.

[BeanMusical]

18. Poster is now on vacation.

[L0oniX]

35. Can I dance now?

[Beacool]

27. I don't get it.

What was offensive about that post?

[Larry Engels]

32. Could it be this?

The post is a burlesque of O'Malley talking to himself and admitting that he is just in the race to make it look like a race, instead of a coronation.

That offends the sensibilities of whom? O'Malley supporters? Yes, but more importantly, of Hillary supporters, who are worried that Hillary will be seen to have put him up to it.

So the jury decision went along political lines.

[Beacool]

43. It was a mild post.

One thing that I have always been against is censorship. A "Democratic" site should allow some actual democracy to take place. I find that alerting on people is a cowardly way to try to shut people who may dissent from the group's viewpoint.

I have never alerted or put anyone on ignore. I'm tough enough to handle any criticism without hiding behind the moderators.

[snooper2]

41. at any rate it doesn't matter, you have to pick up some of the slack for poor Hillary now

LOL

[Beacool]

42. Not, really.

I seldom come to DU anymore. I don't give a flying fig what anyone here thinks of Hillary. I stopped caring after reading over time so many anti-Clinton posts that would have made any RW site proud.

[L0oniX]

2. +1 Luv'n it.

[It is Tuesday]

4. I'm ready for SOMEONE else, indeed.

I'm not going to back someone who considers Henry Kissinger her friend.

She should be actively trying to place Kissinger to International Palace of Peace.

[840high]

33. Good. Welcome to DU.

[Renew Deal]

5. He's right

But that's not an argument to vote for someone. It's an argument to not vote for someone. I don't think voters care that much.

[Larry Engels]

6. I think people are tired of the same old faces.

The time is ripe for a dark horse. Maybe not O'Malley or Webb--maybe someone else we haven't even thought about yet.

[swilton]

24. People are also ready for NEW solutions

Last edited Mon Mar 30, 2015, 09:43 AM - Edit history (1)

This we have a hammer (i.e., the military) so everything looks like a nail (democracy building) routine has got to go!

The environment is as equally dangerous to our national security as is our income inequality. The social indicators in this country in multiple areas are at rock bottom in the industrialized world.

[cosmicone]

7. The Jury system is out of control

There was nothing in wyldwolf's hidden post above that violated DU's TOS. Perhaps it hurts the extreme left wing that Hillary is so popular and criticism of her as belonging to some dynasty is ludicrous.

However, the jury system is being used to censor people who support HRC.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Not really. I was Juror #5 and voted to leave it.

If I was "out of control," I would have voted to hide it because I am not a fan of the idea of Ms. Clinton running for the D team in what has become a football game, and I get nauseatingly tired of the silliness that often comes out of support either for or against around here. I hope that helps you breathe a little bit easier. I do think people use the jury system to silence people they don't like/agree with. But not ALL of us are "out of control." If we were "out of control," that would have been a 5 to 2 hide.


On Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Translation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1052506

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude. This kind of hippie punching and disparaging of the left should not be allowed on a Democratic board.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 29, 2015, 01:52 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks like a revenge alert.
If you can't debate in a civil manner walk away.

Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Translation: You are not a mind reader. You are not a liberal, it seems.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "hippie punching?" This alert is reading too much into something and attempting to call the poster not from the Left in my opinion. Sometimes, less is more. I get the feeling the alerter is attempting to silence a poster he/she doesn't like for a couple of months. Enough. All of you...go to your rooms and cool off for a while. And don't come out until dinner.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see any hippie punching

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[NYC_SKP]

12. You just replied to a reply that was alerted upon!

I was on that (new) jury!

To the alerter, a reply that is "meta" must be removed!

For OPs, I can understand a no meta rule but if we hid every reply that was meta this would be a sad and lonely board!

[ScreamingMeemie]

16. Bananas, right?

I served on a meta alert on a reply a couple of days ago. Some days are just really a lot of fun.

[Andy823]

13. I agree

I am not a Hillary supporter, I won't be voting for her in the primary, but if should win the nomination, she has my vote against any republican that wins their nomination. I honestly can't stand to see all the attacks already under way, and not the ones by republicans, that I expect, but by those on this board who claim to be liberals, progressives, and democrats. It's OK point out why you won't support her, but some of the attacks I have seen here are as bad as right wingers, and that's just plain wrong. Some who are on jury duty seem to be going overboard. I could see nothing wrong with the post here that was hidden.

[greatlaurel]

15. It is astonishing that post was hidden while some of the vile attacks are left.

That was pretty darn innocuous. But it must have hit a little too close to home for the operatives who are trying to derail the Democratic Party in 2016. The voter suppression tactics for 2014 worked well to keep people away from the polls, so I expect thousands of hair on fire posts denigrating HRC. Then, if she is not the nominee, the same people will be back attacking whatever candidate is nominated by the Democratic Party in the primary process.

O'Malley is not doing himself any favors by attacking other Democrats. What he needs to do, is outline what he will do that is different from all the other Democratic candidates. His failure to back teachers forcefully against the charter schools and profiteering by the testing industry has not been particularly impressive.

[FSogol]

22. Watch the entire clip. O'Malley went to great lenghts to avoid bashing any

Democratic candidate. That the MSM is running with the "not a crown to be passed between 2 families" quip is not surprising. MSM wants to gin up false controversies about Democrat infighting where none exist.

[Bjorn Against]

19. You would probably consider me to be one of the "extreme left wing"

I am not a fan of Hillary's at all and I totally disagree with pretty much everything wyldwolf says about her.

That being said, that post was not even close to being hide worthy and it is even more ridiculous that wyldwolf will not be able to post for the next month because of a bad hide.

As much as I disagree with his post it was acceptable discourse. I see right wing trolls on this site posting racist crap all the time and they don't get booted off the site but wyldwolf does. The jury system is broken.

[Beacool]

28. I had the same feeling.

I don't understand what was considered offensive in that post.

[BeyondGeography]

29. Bad hide, IMO

Meta schmetta. Let's have it out, fair and square. I didn't see anything even close to the line there.

[L0oniX]

34. *

[Lunabell]

9. Not ready for Hillary!

Doesn't everyone remember how she and her staff treated Obama back when she ran in '08? I remember her foolishness. This guy O'Malley seems to have some good points. I am not ready for Hillary, but of course if she ultimately wins the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for her.

[whereisjustice]

10. The TPP Democrats sending jobs to Asia talk all day about needing global competition...

also think it's just awesome to appoint Hillary without any competition.

I'm told that's the magic of centrism.

Sounds more like the conservative's voodoo.

[deurbano]

14. What about the Browns in California?

The Roosevelts, the Kennedys, the Udalls, the Gores...

Some families are more interested in (and successful at ) politics than others. The problem (well, one of many) with the Bushes is that W wasn't remotely competent. He basically "inherited" the presidency with no qualifications. I don't think the same is (quite as) true of Jeb, but he would obviously make a horrible president for ideological reasons, anyway. (I mean, who knows if he believes all that crap for real... but he has to govern that way if he wants Republican support.)

Hillary Clinton is competent. I think she could have been elected Senator even if she hadn't married Bill. (Maybe not from New York...)

The dynasty issue to me is more about incompetent "heirs to the throne," like W. Or even Edward Kennedy, who earlier in life seemed to be benefiting from the Kennedy name (as a younger brother) without the qualifications. (I think he grew into the job over time.) But Hillary Clinton isn't even a sibling, much less an "heir." Look at her Wikipedia entry before she married Bill... and after. She was/is extremely accomplished in her own right, and without some of the personal weaknesses of her husband.

On the other hand, I think politics -- especially the raising money to get elected, but also the ignorance and/or complacency of the voters... and I understand the money in politics and the media (etc.) help ensure they are ignorant and/or complacent about the most pressing issues-- has an overwhelmingly corrupting effect on politicians. I so much prefer the earlier Hillary Rodham, before she started taking positions based on the expectations of donors and uninformed voters. So, there are definitely reasons to oppose her nomination and support another nominee (like, her hawkish foreign policy, support for the surveillance state, corporatism, etc.), but not because of the dynasty issue.

[Yavin4]

17. Game of Thrones starts in two weeks!

Thanks for reminding me.

[BlueStater]

20. Hillary Clinton is old fucking hat.

What a pitiful state the Democratic party is in where the only people we can get to run are people who've been around FOREVER like Hillary and Biden. Ugh.

[red dog 1]

21. Biden is running?

What is your source for that?

[BlueStater]

25. He's considering it. That's common knowledge.

He might not run but he's at least done more to indicate he may than almost anyone else in the Democratic party. And that's just depressing. I respect the man as an elder statesmen but his days of being consider for the presidency should be long over. Same for Hillary. It's time for the next generation of leaders to take over.

Unless other appealing alternatives emerge, Mr. O'Malley may very well get my support. It's pretty fucking ridiculous that he's the only potential Democratic party presidential candidate I've seen listed who's under 65 years old.

[red dog 1]

23. I like O'Malley

but I don't like his "two families" statement.

The "Clintons" weren't responsible for the death of over a million Iraqis.

The "Clintons" aren't responsible for Al Qaeda in Iraq, from which Islamic State was born.
(There was no "Al Qaeda" in Iraq when Saddam was in power).

Bill Clinton left George W. Bush with a $350 billion SURPLUS, which Bush quickly turned into a deficit by lowering taxes on his billionaire friends & starting a war with a country that had nothing to do with the 911 attacks.

A much better & thorough article on O'Malley's appearance on ABC's This Week is the WaPo article, but, for some reason, I was unable to post the link here.
Google "Martin O'Malley: Presidency not a "crown" to be shared by 2 families"
It's much longer than the Yahoo News article cited in the OP

[riversedge]

26. I saw it earlier today and crinched....I want to know his positions on

various issues (as I really know little of him). But the media will put the into the headlines like the one in the OP--and there lies the 'content" damn.

[On the Road]

30. I Don't Believe This is a Good Tack for O'Malley to Take Politically

It appears complaining and self-serving. He needs to be associated in people minds with positive proposals.

[musiclawyer]

36. It would be so easy for O'Malley

But he needs to run hard left --anti Wall Street, anti TPP, the whole nine yards and then say look at my record. Which will have been screwed up by his Republican successor. If he can't articulate a vision and contrast with HRC, well then yeah we are in a bad state of affairs and he doesn't deserve it ....

[brooklynite]

37. Indeed not...

if Hillary Clinton wins, it'll be because the voters believe she's best able to win and govern.

[Eko]

38. Someone should have told

John Quincy Adams (the 6th president) and John Adams (the 2nd president), Benjamin Harrison (the 23rd president) was the grandson of William Henry Harrison (the 9th president), James Madison (the 4th president) and Zachary Taylor (the 12th president) were second cousins, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt (the 32nd president) was a fifth cousin of Theodore Roosevelt (the 26th president). Genealogists have determined that FDR was distantly related to a total of 11 U.S. presidents, 5 by blood and 6 by marriage: John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Ulysses Grant, William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison, James Madison, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Zachary Taylor, Martin Van Buren, and George Washington. But oh my god, this is new!!!!!We should freak out!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eko]

39. I automatically suspect anyone

who tries to control the narrative with half truths.

[cheapdate]

40. O'Malley's remarks in the OP are all irrelevant.

He doesn't provide any answer to the question of why he would make the best president, what would he do as president, etc. He provides some information about Hilllary's husband and Jeb's father, which we already knew. And he gives some platitudes. O'Malley sounds like any other politician.