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Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts (Original Post) atreides1 Apr 2012 OP
Good! Crowman1979 Apr 2012 #1
Military rules are very specific in this regard. Your 1st amendment rights are limited. stevenleser Apr 2012 #2
And if I recall correctly 47of74 Apr 2012 #4
Correct. I am surprised he got any additional chances. That was unusually generous. nt stevenleser Apr 2012 #7
I think people should be able to complain about their boss, during their free time, ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #3
There are certain things you give up when you enlist or commission, but you know that in advance. stevenleser Apr 2012 #5
He stated that he wouldn't follow a lawful order: grantcart Apr 2012 #8
That was not a complaint, but a refulsa to follow orders. LanternWaste Apr 2012 #10
I agree, ZombieHorde. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #16
Not so much as suppression as it is LanternWaste Apr 2012 #17
Military rules aside, Bitching about your boss on FACEBOOK seems kinda dumb emulatorloo Apr 2012 #18
he was not discharged for criticizing President Obama grantcart Apr 2012 #6
Agreed. The article was poorly written. n/t Horse with no Name Apr 2012 #9
How long before he becomes a FOX Snooze commentator deutsey Apr 2012 #11
Meet the right's latest martyr. GoCubsGo Apr 2012 #12
Good. kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #13
That "other-than" discharge will free him up to say whatever he pleases. Robb Apr 2012 #14
He will always Iliyah Apr 2012 #15
He did get what he wanted, BarbaRosa Apr 2012 #19
Now he's just worthless. Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #20
GOOD. Rules are rules. Amerigo Vespucci Apr 2012 #21
While the rule is stupid and flies in the face of the freedoms we claim to support... Fearless Apr 2012 #22
Other than Honorable (OTH) is as low as one can go without a court martial. Sirveri Apr 2012 #23
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
2. Military rules are very specific in this regard. Your 1st amendment rights are limited.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:18 PM
Apr 2012

Everyone in the military knows this.

This guy knowingly broke the rules.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
4. And if I recall correctly
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:21 PM
Apr 2012

He was given several chances to fix the problem but basically doubled down.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
3. I think people should be able to complain about their boss, during their free time,
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:19 PM
Apr 2012

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without penalty.

I think most people disagree with me on that subject, so I will just have to learn to deal with it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
5. There are certain things you give up when you enlist or commission, but you know that in advance.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:29 PM
Apr 2012

They explain all of these things before you swear in and they make you attend classes on them during basic training or OCS/the Academy/ROTC.

- You cannot just not show up for work or call in sick. Your freedom of movement is curtailed.

- You cannot publicly speak ill of anyone in your chain of command including the President.

That's just the beginning. Also, all laws on the books in your state are more strictly enforced. Underaged drinking in the civilian world results, if caught, with a slap on the wrist. In the military, you get 30 days in jail, reduction in rank (if you have any) and loss of pay.

If you do something wrong and get convicted in a courts martial, be prepared to do 99% of your sentence. The military doesnt have the same concept of parole the civilian world does. If you get sentenced to 10 years in jail, you will probably serve 9 years at least. You wont get out in 3 years and then have 5 years probation.

The military is a bad place to go if you intend to break the rules.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
8. He stated that he wouldn't follow a lawful order:
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:30 PM
Apr 2012

"Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That will get you kicked out every time.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. That was not a complaint, but a refulsa to follow orders.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:36 PM
Apr 2012

Complaining about the boss is one thing. Emphatically stating the President is a domestic enemy while under contract, stating that one will not follow legal orders, and doing it in such as way as to gain maximum exposure is a wholly different thing... so need to learn to deal with it, just need to learn critical relevant differences.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. I agree, ZombieHorde.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:18 PM
Apr 2012

Suppressing opinions just builds resentment all the more. It's better to let people say what they think.

It's healthier in the end.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. Not so much as suppression as it is
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:27 PM
Apr 2012

Not so much as suppression as it is simply realizing the consequences of what we say.

Although I imagine many would actually believe that not verbalizing an opinion is actually a suppression of that opinion-- but (and bless their little hearts), those are two wholly different things.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
18. Military rules aside, Bitching about your boss on FACEBOOK seems kinda dumb
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 04:38 PM
Apr 2012

We bitch about our boss over a beer. We don't post our bitching on FACEBOOK. Because that would be dumbass thing to do, and would probably get us fired.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
6. he was not discharged for criticizing President Obama
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:29 PM
Apr 2012

He was discharged for saying that he would not obey a lawful order when he posted this.


"Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."


I have yet to see one Marine who saw this comment disagree with the action.

He discharged himself.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
14. That "other-than" discharge will free him up to say whatever he pleases.
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:50 PM
Apr 2012

No one will listen, however.

...You know how they say there are really no "ex" Marines? Well here's one. Disgraceful.

Edited to add: apparently this guy was either confused on the "semper" or the "fidelis."

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
15. He will always
Wed Apr 25, 2012, 03:55 PM
Apr 2012

have a job with the right wing so called "Christians" mob, with Fake news giving them a show or back him running for political office.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
22. While the rule is stupid and flies in the face of the freedoms we claim to support...
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 10:53 AM
Apr 2012

His statement was equally stupid and potentially dangerous.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
23. Other than Honorable (OTH) is as low as one can go without a court martial.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 05:42 PM
Apr 2012

So they smacked him down pretty severely for this.

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