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pstokely

(10,894 posts)
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:48 AM May 2015

Students protest after history teacher punished for showing homosexual PSA

Source: KCTV

Ken Simon was removed from the classroom and placed on administrative leave after he showed the 10-minute video that dealt with homosexuality. He is facing disciplinary action.

"Him being suspended over a situation of him actually teaching about our history as a country is absolutely asinine," former student Victoria Long said.

The video was made in 1959. It warns students to avoid strangers "because they might be homosexual."

Ken Simon said he used the video to show just how much attitudes about homosexuality have changed over the years.


Read more: http://www.kctv5.com/story/28999455/students-protest-after-history-teacher-punished-for-showing-homosexual-psa



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Students protest after history teacher punished for showing homosexual PSA (Original Post) pstokely May 2015 OP
Gotta love headlines that flip the key element of the story GreatGazoo May 2015 #1
The anti-teacher backlash MosheFeingold May 2015 #10
It isn't anti-teacher backlash. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #17
Response Beowulf42 May 2015 #16
I noticed that too, as well as.... Behind the Aegis May 2015 #18
Wonder how his supporters would feel rpannier May 2015 #2
I think in the context of a history class, that would be FINE. Adrahil May 2015 #7
Don't disagree rpannier May 2015 #9
Something is missing from this story. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #3
Well, Maybe RobinA May 2015 #5
He States RobinA May 2015 #6
That wasn't a quote from him. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #14
So quick to criticize the teacher Android3.14 May 2015 #4
Interesting thought rpannier May 2015 #8
Regarding lesson plans Android3.14 May 2015 #13
The video is actually about sexual predators who prey on teenage boys. LisaL May 2015 #11
Why do people comment on articles and videos when they don'y read or watch them? snooper2 May 2015 #12
Some are clearly missing that point, as well. Behind the Aegis May 2015 #15
I can see how this film could be used for a good class discussion. Larry Engels May 2015 #19

GreatGazoo

(4,647 posts)
1. Gotta love headlines that flip the key element of the story
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:54 AM
May 2015

Let me guess, they couldn't fit the word "anti" into that headline ?

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
10. The anti-teacher backlash
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

Reminds me of the semi-annual school protests against Huckleberry Finn because it used the word "nigger" in it (repeatedly and distastefully).

Well, unfair treatment of slaves/former slaves/lower-class whites was pretty much the point of the book, and that word and the stigma attached to it was part of it.

And Showing an absurd "reefer madness" style movie about gays makes perfect sense in the context of teaching history.

I remember reading "Mein Kampf" in junior high, as part of a summer class put on by the JCC. It was a powerful education regarding hatred and the manipulation of people.

People coddle their kids too much. The world can be a pretty hateful and dangerous place and to hide that from kids does them a disservice.

Behind the Aegis

(56,124 posts)
17. It isn't anti-teacher backlash.
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:21 PM
May 2015

Most of what I have seen in the news, as well as comments like yours, are anything but "anti-teacher." Those like myself want some questions answered, as well as to hear from the school. This doesn't compare to "Reefer Madness" this is in the realm of "Birth of a Nation." So, if, as he claims, he was showing it as a historical perspective, what was the follow-up conversation? Was there one? Was this the school overreacting? Was this the school covering their asses? Much of the story seems to be missing. The story has already slightly changed from this being shown in a law enforcement class, to it now being shown in a world history class. He very well may be "in the right" and was actually doing something positive, or it could be a case of "I was telling people the truth about homos, and they got pissed and now I am the victim." I have seen both.

Beowulf42

(317 posts)
16. Response
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:16 PM
May 2015

As a teacher of over 30 years it sounds like a very teachable moment. It probably wasn't in the Common Core curriculum. Be gone Wisdom, be gone Common Sense, be gone any trace of creativity in Lessons.

Behind the Aegis

(56,124 posts)
18. I noticed that too, as well as....
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:24 PM
May 2015

"Ken Simon was removed from the classroom and placed on administrative leave after he showed the 10-minute video that dealt with homosexuality. He is facing disciplinary action." That was under one of the pictures in the article. The video didn't "deal with homosexuality".

rpannier

(24,937 posts)
2. Wonder how his supporters would feel
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:57 AM
May 2015

if it were a 'PSA' about the dangers that white women faced from non-white males

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. I think in the context of a history class, that would be FINE.
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:06 AM
May 2015

This is the Gay equivalent of "Reefer Madness." It's good to be aware of this kind of stuff. I have, in fact, seen that PSA.

rpannier

(24,937 posts)
9. Don't disagree
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

I am curious how quick they'd be to defend him if that were what he'd done
I am curious, as I replied to another post in the thread...
Did the administration ask for his lesson plans for the lesson?
When I taught for 6 years in the 90's and coming from a family of teachers, is that every lesson requires lesson plans.
Someone in administration checked them every three weeks.
Anything that might be controversial required their permission and a possible letter home to the parents
Is this the first time he's taught this lesson? Used this film?

Behind the Aegis

(56,124 posts)
3. Something is missing from this story.
Thu May 7, 2015, 03:33 AM
May 2015

I have heard/read a number of people explaining why he did it (to show how views on gays have evolved), yet nothing from him about it. What was the following discussion? How or why was this relevant to the lesson of the day, and what was that lesson?

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
5. Well, Maybe
Thu May 7, 2015, 08:20 AM
May 2015

but most of his students seem to have gotten a certain message from the film that would support his supporters.

I might hazard a guess that the complainers had a problem with the fact that he was DERIDING these attitudes from the past, not that he showed a film containing those attitudes. The linked article is from Kansas City.

Behind the Aegis

(56,124 posts)
14. That wasn't a quote from him.
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

However, in the FOX broadcast he did state: "“I did say right when I started, let’s look at this and see how things have changes since 1959,” Simon said." I should have been more explicit and said how was the "change" portrayed in his class, as good or bad. Most of those making the claim he was to show advancements have been reporters or former students. This well may be a school overreacting or moving too quickly. The story has somewhat changed in originally this was for his "law enforcement" class, now, it was supposedly shown in his world history class. Without hearing from the students or the school, it is hard to say if this was shown with good intentions or bad ones. Though, some seem to already have passed judgment and think the intention was good; done deal.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
4. So quick to criticize the teacher
Thu May 7, 2015, 07:56 AM
May 2015

Until I know more, I am avoiding a ride on the assumption wagon regarding the teacher's motivation.

One might as well dismiss a teacher of film history for showing Birth of a Nation (A KKK inspired film, but also a landmark in film history).

Or dismiss a teacher for showing pictures of a "Whites Only" sign at a Birmingham diner in 1960 or video of George Wallace protesting desegregation.

The fact of the matter is that attitudes towards LGBT folks have changed enormously in the past 50 years, and a history class is the perfect forum to show that.

rpannier

(24,937 posts)
8. Interesting thought
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:10 AM
May 2015

Which brings to my mind a question
Where is the lesson plan for this lesson
It should have what the purpose is, how he will present it and the steps he'll take
Did administration ask for it? Did he make lesson plans, which I think all teachers are required to have

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
13. Regarding lesson plans
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:47 AM
May 2015

All teachers should have lesson plans, and many districts (or states) require a specific format and such for lesson plans. When I taught, I had detailed lesson plans often, but sometimes would just wing it. Other teachers would have lesson plans to satisfy the district requirements, but they wouldn't use them in class.

Experienced teachers often know their subject so well and have taught the pieces so often that they don't keep updated lesson plans.

It seems an FOIA request would be appropriate in this case, in order to see what the plan was, or if there even was a plan.

The teacher, by keeping quiet, is following the best social media strategy of allowing defenders to come to his aid rather than defending himself.

He might be a rollicking homophobic bastard, but this might also be fallout from the recent upsurge of outrage at how many people often treat minority segments of the population. I wonder if the complaint came from homophobes in class unhappy the teacher was normalizing LGBT acceptance by underlining how much things have changed, from LGBT kids misperceiving the lesson as an attack, or from vindictive students (think Mean Girls or bullies) trying to exact revenge on a teacher for something unrelated to the lesson.

LisaL

(47,463 posts)
11. The video is actually about sexual predators who prey on teenage boys.
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:24 AM
May 2015

If the goal was to show how attitudes changed toward homosexuals, that surely wasn't the best video to watch.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
12. Why do people comment on articles and videos when they don'y read or watch them?
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:44 AM
May 2015

I really don't get it...


It's not like you can just start a narrative and, oh, well, that's what I think so it's right!

 

Larry Engels

(387 posts)
19. I can see how this film could be used for a good class discussion.
Thu May 7, 2015, 01:26 PM
May 2015

It's red meat for critical thinking, e.g., about how "pedophile" is wrongly conflated with "homosexual" in the film. It would be spot on for a college class in philosophy or communication. Or for bright high school seniors. But stuff like this will always get you in trouble with secondary school officials.

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