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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:43 PM May 2015

Ben Carson: US should rethink Supreme Court review of laws

Source: Washington Post

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson says the United States should rethink the notion that a president must enforce laws the Supreme Court declares constitutional.

Carson said Sunday “we need to discuss” the court’s long-held power to review laws passed by Congress. That authority was established in the 1803 landmark case Marbury v. Madison.

Carson was asked on “Fox News Sunday” whether the executive branch is obligated to enforce laws that the Supreme Court declares constitutional. Carson said it’s an open question that deserves debate because the “original intent” of judicial review has changed.

Carson has said a president is obliged to carry out laws passed by Congress, but not what he called “judicial laws” that emanate from courts.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-us-should-rethink-supreme-court-review-of-laws/2015/05/10/debd1ba4-f72f-11e4-a47c-e56f4db884ed_story.html

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Ben Carson: US should rethink Supreme Court review of laws (Original Post) IDemo May 2015 OP
Uh huh.... SoapBox May 2015 #1
great idea lets toss out citizens united and the 2nd amendment granted by scotus Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #2
If this goober is elected POTUS (god forbid), does he realize that he takes an oath bulloney May 2015 #3
They are using an off-road vehicle as the clown car this time. n/t cosmicone May 2015 #10
OK, that's it, I've had it with these assholes and their "interpretations" Faygo Kid May 2015 #4
it's ludicrous to hear carson, cruz, and the rest of the clown car being discussed in a serious KG May 2015 #5
NPR was compromised long ago by Bushites/RWNJ They_Live May 2015 #14
Especially campaign financing laws, I bet. marble falls May 2015 #6
So what he's saying is... Arkana May 2015 #7
Carson is no Constitutional scholar William Seger May 2015 #8
This is literally terrifying. Gregorian May 2015 #9
"How to tarnish a brilliant and unblemished reputation for good." cosmicone May 2015 #11
,,or "Im no better a Politican than I am a Doctor" Cryptoad May 2015 #13
He is a brilliant doctor cosmicone May 2015 #16
I think that it is very strange that he retired at 51. olegramps May 2015 #19
That's been bugging me too. Hassin Bin Sober May 2015 #20
To me a Doctor who wants to be a Politican Cryptoad May 2015 #22
Neurosurgery requires exceptional eye/hand coordination csziggy May 2015 #27
More money in being a Huckster-Palinesque grifter rpannier May 2015 #29
Come on Rethugs,,,,, Cryptoad May 2015 #12
Since when did striking down sulphurdunn May 2015 #15
This makes no sense even aside from the constitutional issues starroute May 2015 #17
So he's saying there is no need for the Supreme Court. Vinca May 2015 #18
Funny thing..that is what Bush thought too. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #30
I'm not buying the "world-famous neurosurgeon" thing, any longer. Paladin May 2015 #21
The problem seems to be... William Seger May 2015 #23
After all, there are supreme pizzas, and they aren't necessarily the best! n/t Bossy Monkey May 2015 #24
Had there been Carson's views in effect 60 years ago... Archae May 2015 #25
Ben Carson has no idea as to how our system of government works Gothmog May 2015 #26
"Judicial laws" are defined as laws the right wing doesn't like, that they challenge, and lost. alfredo May 2015 #28
geez if it weren't for the courts treestar May 2015 #31

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
1. Uh huh....
Sun May 10, 2015, 12:48 PM
May 2015

Like I would trust something, anything, that someone making a publicity appearance on FuksFakeNews AND that has an (R) or (TB) [for TeaBagger] after their name.

Ya got no cred, Dr. Klown Kar.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
3. If this goober is elected POTUS (god forbid), does he realize that he takes an oath
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:03 PM
May 2015

swearing to uphold the U.S. Constitution?

The Oath of Office:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution requires that before presidents can assume their duties they must take the oath of office. The completion of this thirty-five-word oath ends one president's term and begins the next.

This year's Republican clown car really has gone over the edge where their candidates literally say ANYTHING.

Faygo Kid

(21,477 posts)
4. OK, that's it, I've had it with these assholes and their "interpretations"
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:08 PM
May 2015

I am not boasting, but just to establish my creds, I won the Book Award in Constitutional Law in law school more than 30 years ago as outstanding student in that subject. So I know a little bit about this. Chief Justice John Marshall - a towering figure in American history, and a really good guy to have dinner and a glass of wine with - established the principle of judicial review in interpreting the Constitution. For the most part, it has served us very well (exceptions include Plessy v. Ferguson, and of course the heinous Citizens United decision). But this is absurd. John Calhoun pushed for "nullification," and Andrew Jackson said he would hang him. What we need are Supreme Court justices who will properly interpret the Constitution, instead of those who manipulate it to serve their own devices (hello Scalia, Thomas, Alito). Carson is a bright and accomplished person who is also embarrassing himself as a fool.

KG

(28,751 posts)
5. it's ludicrous to hear carson, cruz, and the rest of the clown car being discussed in a serious
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

manner on NPR.

They_Live

(3,223 posts)
14. NPR was compromised long ago by Bushites/RWNJ
Reply to KG (Reply #5)
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:59 PM
May 2015

as National Geographic has now been compromised (they have eliminated letters to the editor, which is very telling). All about controlling the message , the info, and the conversation/argument.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
7. So what he's saying is...
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:15 PM
May 2015

"We should damage the whole 'separation of powers' concept because they're doing things I don't like!"

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
8. Carson is no Constitutional scholar
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:35 PM
May 2015


Original Intent & Judicial Review

The Constitution does not expressly provide for judicial review. What should be made of this fact? Does it suggest that the framers did not intend to give the courts such a power? Not necessarily, although that is one explanation for its absence. It is also possible that the framers thought the power of judicial review was sufficiently clear from the structure of government that it need not be expressly stated. A third possibility is that the framers didn't think that the issue would ever come up, because Congress would never pass legislation outside of its enumerated powers.

Only 11 of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, according to Madison's notes, expressed an opinion on the desirability of judicial review. Of those that did so, nine generally supported the idea and two opposed. One delegate, James Wilson, argued that the courts should have the even broader power to strike down any unjust federal or state legislation. It may also be worth noting that over half of the thirteen original states gave their own judges some power of judicial review.


http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/judicialrev.htm

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
9. This is literally terrifying.
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

Anyone who doesn't find it so, is living in a make believe land of comfort, not realizing just how far we have to fall.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. "How to tarnish a brilliant and unblemished reputation for good."
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:48 PM
May 2015

Title of Ben Carson's next book ... to come out right after the primaries are over.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
20. That's been bugging me too.
Sun May 10, 2015, 04:31 PM
May 2015

I'm beginning to wonder if his so called brilliance is just bullshit that gets regurgitated unquestioned.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
27. Neurosurgery requires exceptional eye/hand coordination
Sun May 10, 2015, 06:50 PM
May 2015

From what I've read a lot of neurosurgeons stop operating fairly young before they lose that extraordinary talent.

Dr. Carson actually did not retire until 2013:

In March 2013, Carson announced he would retire as a surgeon, stating "I'd much rather quit when I'm at the top of my game".[25] His retirement became official on July 1, 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson#Medical_career

He was born in September 1951 so was 61 when he officially retired - definitely past his prime.

Many brilliant people have a sort of tunnel vision for their field of knowledge. They can be the best in the world at their specialty and know nothing at all about the world in general. But since they are so great in their selective field, they may think they know a lot about everything. I wonder if Dr. Carson fits in that group?

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
29. More money in being a Huckster-Palinesque grifter
Sun May 10, 2015, 09:41 PM
May 2015

And there's no malpractice insurance or office hours that must be held
No need to stock up on supplies
The crazies come to you
Other people pay for everything

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
12. Come on Rethugs,,,,,
Sun May 10, 2015, 01:56 PM
May 2015

either you love the Constitution or you don't..... you can't have it both ways!

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
15. Since when did striking down
Sun May 10, 2015, 02:43 PM
May 2015

an act of Congress by the Supreme Court become a "judicial law?" Could one accurately refer to such an asinine comment as an "oxymoran?"

starroute

(12,977 posts)
17. This makes no sense even aside from the constitutional issues
Sun May 10, 2015, 03:51 PM
May 2015

He says a president has to carry out laws passed by Congress but shouldn't have to enforce laws the Supreme Court has found constitutional.

Huh?

But the original Fox News question makes no sense either. It seems to boil down to asking whether the president is obligated to enforce the laws. I could understand if they were asking whether the president could ignore laws that might potentially be found unconstitutional, like DOMA. But that isn't apparently what was said.

I understand this is really about resentment of so-called "judicial activism" and therefore doesn't have to make sense. But you'd think they'd at least pretend to keep their arguments straight.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
21. I'm not buying the "world-famous neurosurgeon" thing, any longer.
Sun May 10, 2015, 04:34 PM
May 2015

Given his public utterances, I wouldn't trust Carson to open a can of tuna, much less a human brain. Republicans really know how to pick 'em.......

William Seger

(10,775 posts)
23. The problem seems to be...
Sun May 10, 2015, 05:49 PM
May 2015

... that he allows his "conservative" ideology to override his rational brain. There are lots of Republicans who aren't actually stupid; they just sound like it when they talk politics.

Archae

(46,299 posts)
25. Had there been Carson's views in effect 60 years ago...
Sun May 10, 2015, 06:18 PM
May 2015

There would BE no Dr Carson.

Brown vs The Board Of Education would have been ignored.

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