URGENT - Syria ISIS US Operation (US Special Forces on ground in Syria)
Source: KSPR.com
(CNN) -- U.S. Special Operations forces conducted a raid in eastern Syria overnight Friday to Saturday to capture Abu Sayyaf, a senior ISIS commander, sources familiar with what happened on the ground in Syria told CNN. Sayyaf, who was in charge of ISIS' oil and gas operations and directly and increasingly involved in ISIS command and control, fought capture and was killed in the raid, the sources said. His wife, an Iraqi named Umm Sayyaf, was captured and taken to Iraq for interrogation.
Read more: http://www.kspr.com/news/nationworld/urgent-syria-isis-us-operation/21051646_33058022
(also, "URGENT" is part of the headline)
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)The neocons are back. This is A Clean Break realized, and the US is picking up the tab, as usual.
madokie
(51,076 posts)War is an admission of failure
War fucked my life up big time as it does most anyone involved in it.
Javaman
(62,439 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)turbinetree
(24,632 posts)we now have combat troops being placed in harms way, because one George W. Bush, who and his crew created this mess, will have blood on there hands if one of these citizens gets captured.
I think it time to get the guy with the tax payer funded pacemaker to lead the way, with his Wyoming Coboy hat.
Then have Fix Noise reporting from the front line during the charge.
Have all of the rest of them and there right wing ideologues put on a uniform even the ones on Jebby's election team, and go and fight the fight and try to clean up there mess-----------
Since they (ISIS commanders ) are the same ones on the deck of cards they handed out in there war based on lie------------and finish they job they created, with there Shock and Awe.
What could possibly go wrong
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)If you want to get the mastermind behind ISIS, he lives in Texas and paints his feet while in hte bath.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts).... better to use a drone strike, but I'm sure that was considered and would not have been feasible in this case.
tiptonic
(765 posts)Well said turbine. When will it all stop? But wait, war is money. So it must be good for somebody (sarcasm) .
NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)When dealing with groups that operate outside the law around the world, they are the goto people. Usually to secure hostages.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Every entity has their own set of "laws". If we don't agree with them, they're outside of the law.
No, the over-arching theme here should be as Bill Mahr calls it. We need to get the fuck out - TOTALLY out - and allow these folks to fight it out til the dust settles. Then we build a fine new embassy to be able to have diplomatic relations with whoever it was that came out on top!
EDIT to add.... Another motive for us being there is that this region is a REAL LIFE proving ground for builders of war implements. What better sales pitches than footage of U.S.-made weaponry blowing the hell out of angry sorts toting AK-47s and RPGs??? "And would you like that in natural aluminum or one of our available camouflage patterns?"
NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)There are groups around the world that specialize in kidnapping and such for ransoms. When they kidnap one of our citizens, we have an obligation to act.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)that inspires these "groups" to do things like this is because of foreign interference in what is essentially THEIR business. If we'd STAY OUT OF IT, one side would eventually prevail and relative peace might set in.
Edit to add..... As a "for instance", the US military did a ground intervention to take out the ISIS "commander" yesterday. Now - can you just imagine the demoralizing effect that's having on ISIS. Can't you just SEE them all standing around dejectedly and tossing their weapons into a pile and giving up? That's right - I can't either. That raid was just one more recruiting call for ISIS. And the insanity goes on!
former9thward
(31,801 posts)Obama did. It is his war now.
Kingofalldems
(38,360 posts)It's Bush's war.
former9thward
(31,801 posts)It is not our war. Obama sent those troops in and made it our war. It is his war.
Lagom
(26 posts)William J. Astore: The American Military Uncontained, Chaos Spread, Casualties Inflicted, Missions Unaccomplished
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/william-j-astore-the-american-military-uncontained-chaos-spread-casualties-inflicted-missions-unaccomplished.html
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)This is the main IS leader who sold oil/gas to fund IS.
still_one
(91,944 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)PosterChild
(1,307 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,177 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Apparently all our guys came back but a dozen ISIS killed
It sucks to say but this is a hell of a sight better than droning the location and obliterating the whole lot.
If you're going to invest in some special operations, do it, don't go the drone route, you won't get intel, you'll kill a lot of innocent people, and probably recruit more.
This sort of thing is super politically risky (Black Hawk down) so politicians don't go that route.
Shame we couldn't capture the leader (assuming that it wasn't a kill op).
still_one
(91,944 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)They don't need an excuse to attack Obama and the US.
still_one
(91,944 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
leveymg
(36,418 posts)It's all happening in slow motion with a lot of background clutter, so some don't notice.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Too bad they couldn't have taken him alive and got some info out of him.
As for his death, good riddance.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)COINS failed in Vietnam, and it appears that we unlearned all of the lessons of that war after the first Gulf War.
There is one hell of a lot of young people who see the U.S. as a massive military hegemony dictating how the rest of the world lives from the point of a gun. That's exactly what Cheney, Rumsfeld and the PNAC gang wanted, and they brought about hell on earth by testing the plan out on Iraq.
These young, disillusioned people will flock to any group that openly opposes this perceived hegemony and demonstrates some military success, regardless of how rotten or sick the demonstrated agenda of the group is in reality.
We caused this whole goddamn mess with our military, and we think we can sort it out militarily? Stupid.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)There is no evidence that new terrorists pop up for every kill that otherwise wouldn't have popped up. The terrorists are just fackwads who would have turned to terror in the name of religion anyway -- whether they feel ostracized or triumphant.
If ISIS is left unopposed, it will only become stronger and their military gains will encourage far far more people to join them than their brutal and decisive demise.
I am all for mowing down all ISIS and similar extremist warriors whether they are in Nigeria, Somalia, Iraq, Syria or Pakistan.
I repeat. A good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)According to your theory, we should have a peaceful and stable Middle East by now. This "victory through body-counts" nonsense has been disproved throughout history, see Vietnam for a clear, and pretty fucking obvious, example. No serious person thinks this conflict will be won militarily.
hack89
(39,171 posts)I would argue that Sunni / Shia terrorism has radicalized more Muslims than America. Let's not forgot that Sunni violence killed more Iraqis than the American military - in 2007 alone there were 440 bombings.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)and we only killed 35,000?
There is still no proof that killing people increases terrorism.
In fact, terrorism in Israel has gone down since Israel took a hard line and killed hundreds, captured thousands and leveled their homes.
Bending over and grabbing one's ankles is not a cogent anti-terrorism strategy.
7962
(11,841 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,360 posts)unlike CNN and MSNBC.
Must be really good news.
still_one
(91,944 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and its brainwashed audience, it never happened!
7962
(11,841 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,360 posts)They ignored the story for 1 hour this morning.
7962
(11,841 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,360 posts)Doesn't change the reality of their blatant bias.
Backwoodsrider
(764 posts)The US is trying to control what goes on in the middle east but what is a little odd this time we did not do it to benefit the Saudis. I think relations between Saudi Arabia monarchy and Pres Obama and many democrats suck.
Grins
(7,128 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)He created the target. Obama only shot at it!
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Last edited Sat May 16, 2015, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)
to used force agaisnt ISIS.
The newer authorization would have put limits on a conflict, and ended the Iraq War, which is authorizes much greater force. Republicans chose this.
http://fox17online.com/2015/02/11/obama-asks-congress-to-authorize-military-force-against-isis/
eissa
(4,238 posts)Was the release of the Yazidi slave held by this savage and his filthy wife. Hope the rest of the Yazidi and Assyrian women held by these animals are rescued soon as well.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Is made a lot of millions off someone.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)U.S. 'Special Forces' basically have a mandate to do anything that their commander in chief authorizes, whether the order has a constitutional basis or not. 'Lawyers' (I'm a lawyer and have nothing but contempt for these creeps) for the administration, CIA or Pentagon have bullshitted their way through a horde of legal 'analyses' which provide BS legal cover for a President to do anything he/she wants. There is no longer any need to go to Congress for a declaration of war, ever, the requirement for which is clearly established by the Constitution vesting Declaration of War powers in the legislature.
So, 'U.S. Special Operations forces conducted a raid in eastern Syria,' kill some people, which is an act of war, is now becoming virtually indistinguishable in the American mindset as 'local officers conduct raid on home containing suspected heroin lab', come under fire, kill suspect in ensuing gunfight, seize over 5 million dollars in heroin.
Where does it end?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)that must have taken place to make it legal.
I firmly believe that the US has a secret-handshake agreement with Bashar Assad to allow such operations at the invitation of the Syrian government, which makes it legal and doesn't violate international law. Obama is not stupid enough to send special forces willy-nilly where they could be captured by the country concerned.
Unfortunately, neither Syria nor the US are in a position to publicly acknowledge such an arrangement.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Did President Obama order this raid? I thought only GWBush had the male parts necessary to track down and kill terrorists. Will Obama stride across a flight deck with his crotch straps cinched up?
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)This is a ruse. Everyone knows the head of ISIS is sitting in the White House.
Signed,
Your average conservative filth.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)Wake me up when this shit is over.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We have always been at war with Eastasia!
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,282 posts)It sounds like the primary mission objective was to capture the guy for questioning.
Killing him, while it makes for good press, was not the primary objective.
If you believe the press.
I'd bet there were not many whole-hearted high-fives after this one.