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Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:24 AM May 2015

URGENT - Syria ISIS US Operation (US Special Forces on ground in Syria)

Source: KSPR.com

(CNN) -- U.S. Special Operations forces conducted a raid in eastern Syria overnight Friday to Saturday to capture Abu Sayyaf, a senior ISIS commander, sources familiar with what happened on the ground in Syria told CNN. Sayyaf, who was in charge of ISIS' oil and gas operations and directly and increasingly involved in ISIS command and control, fought capture and was killed in the raid, the sources said. His wife, an Iraqi named Umm Sayyaf, was captured and taken to Iraq for interrogation.

Read more: http://www.kspr.com/news/nationworld/urgent-syria-isis-us-operation/21051646_33058022



(also, "URGENT" is part of the headline)
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URGENT - Syria ISIS US Operation (US Special Forces on ground in Syria) (Original Post) Cooley Hurd May 2015 OP
Another baby step toward the inevitable Forever War. leveymg May 2015 #1
That's the way I'm seeing it, as well... Cooley Hurd May 2015 #2
If you like the Iraq Wars, you're going to love Syria-Lebanon-Iran leveymg May 2015 #3
+1 Jesus Malverde May 2015 #8
I'm thinking we're already in that war madokie May 2015 #6
We've always been at war with Eurasia. nt Javaman May 2015 #11
So we're just like any other society in the annals of recorded history?? Blue_Tires May 2015 #26
No sireebob. We're #1! - shout it, with meaning! leveymg May 2015 #34
Wonderful turbinetree May 2015 #4
Hold up a minute, they sent in some troops to get Bid Laden and this is different how exactly? cstanleytech May 2015 #5
Bin Ladin was the mastermind of 9/11 Scootaloo May 2015 #9
Good point, it's not.... PosterChild May 2015 #22
Well said tiptonic May 2015 #14
Special forces have been put into harms way many times without a war. NutmegYankee May 2015 #29
Whose laws??? Plucketeer May 2015 #33
I'll have to disagree. NutmegYankee May 2015 #36
So MUCH of the antagonism Plucketeer May 2015 #45
No Bush did not put these combat troops in harms way. former9thward May 2015 #37
Bush's actions created ISIS. Kingofalldems May 2015 #38
The Sykes-Picot Agreement in WW I created ISIS. former9thward May 2015 #39
Do it again should not be an option. Lagom May 2015 #7
Our Ops is good, got the target, captured his wife & rescued a Yazidi woman they had as a slave! Sunlei May 2015 #10
I agree. still_one May 2015 #13
I agree as well n/t cosmicone May 2015 #20
Looks like the mission ws a success. /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #23
Agree. NutmegYankee May 2015 #30
Agreed. Read that there was hand-to-hand combat involved too. 7962 May 2015 #55
Yeah joshcryer May 2015 #70
I imagine Mr. Hersh will have an article telling us the President lied to us next week about this still_one May 2015 #12
And many on DU will believe it Democat May 2015 #15
you are absolutely right on that one. still_one May 2015 #16
+1 JoePhilly May 2015 #17
Based on a retired officer living in Miami, no less. randome May 2015 #24
He would be right. leveymg May 2015 #35
you got it! Bill USA May 2015 #53
No doubt. Drunken Irishman May 2015 #69
Good use of Special Ops. FLPanhandle May 2015 #18
They didn't need him alive , just his computer, phones, papers and wife. Sunlei May 2015 #42
good stonecutter357 May 2015 #19
Bravo! A good ISIS member is a dead ISIS member. n/t cosmicone May 2015 #21
And for every one we kill, 5 more spring up. RiverNoord May 2015 #44
Don't propagate an urban myth cosmicone May 2015 #47
We killed tens of thousands of fighters in Iraq under Dubya. Daniel537 May 2015 #60
Iraqis killing Iraqis set off sectarian violence that continues to this day hack89 May 2015 #64
What if there were 50,000 nutcases cosmicone May 2015 #66
So never kill any and they'll all go away. Ok. 7962 May 2015 #56
Tuned in to Fox and the story was not being covered Kingofalldems May 2015 #25
Obviously it reflects positively on the Obama administration still_one May 2015 #27
Yup so to fox "news" workinclasszero May 2015 #51
Well, its the lead story on their website. 7962 May 2015 #57
Now maybe. Kingofalldems May 2015 #62
I reckon they werent 1st on the list of networks to notify! 7962 May 2015 #65
You can make all the excuses for them you want. Kingofalldems May 2015 #67
yep just like clockwork Backwoodsrider May 2015 #28
Like bin Laden's death, how soon will the Reich-wing claim George Bush deserves the credit....? N/M Grins May 2015 #31
George W. Bush should get all the credit. cosmicone May 2015 #48
Obama asked Congress to end the 2002 AUMF and for a new Authorization Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #32
Best part for me eissa May 2015 #40
once they sort through his computers be interesting to see who were the buyers of black market oil Sunlei May 2015 #41
lol - how many times has this alerady happened? RiverNoord May 2015 #43
Twice in Syria, the last time didn't go as well as this. Sunlei May 2015 #46
You have no knowledge of all the backdoor diplomacy cosmicone May 2015 #49
Looks like they killed an ISIS commander. hrmjustin May 2015 #50
Lets give credit for the Forever War to George W Bush workinclasszero May 2015 #52
Great news! thnks for posting! Bill USA May 2015 #54
But - but - but -- OldRedneck May 2015 #58
K&R! stonecutter357 May 2015 #59
They legacy of George W. Bush that just won't go away. Daniel537 May 2015 #61
Red talking points are now Blue talking points! woo me with science May 2015 #63
So, they screwed up JustABozoOnThisBus May 2015 #68

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. If you like the Iraq Wars, you're going to love Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:38 AM
May 2015

The neocons are back. This is A Clean Break realized, and the US is picking up the tab, as usual.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
6. I'm thinking we're already in that war
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:50 AM
May 2015

War is an admission of failure
War fucked my life up big time as it does most anyone involved in it.

turbinetree

(24,632 posts)
4. Wonderful
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:40 AM
May 2015

we now have combat troops being placed in harms way, because one George W. Bush, who and his crew created this mess, will have blood on there hands if one of these citizens gets captured.

I think it time to get the guy with the tax payer funded pacemaker to lead the way, with his Wyoming Coboy hat.
Then have Fix Noise reporting from the front line during the charge.

Have all of the rest of them and there right wing ideologues put on a uniform even the ones on Jebby's election team, and go and fight the fight and try to clean up there mess-----------

Since they (ISIS commanders ) are the same ones on the deck of cards they handed out in there war based on lie------------and finish they job they created, with there Shock and Awe.
What could possibly go wrong


 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Bin Ladin was the mastermind of 9/11
Sat May 16, 2015, 08:56 AM
May 2015

If you want to get the mastermind behind ISIS, he lives in Texas and paints his feet while in hte bath.

PosterChild

(1,307 posts)
22. Good point, it's not....
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:38 AM
May 2015

.... better to use a drone strike, but I'm sure that was considered and would not have been feasible in this case.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
14. Well said
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
May 2015

Well said turbine. When will it all stop? But wait, war is money. So it must be good for somebody (sarcasm) .

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
29. Special forces have been put into harms way many times without a war.
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:27 AM
May 2015

When dealing with groups that operate outside the law around the world, they are the goto people. Usually to secure hostages.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
33. Whose laws???
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:14 PM
May 2015

Every entity has their own set of "laws". If we don't agree with them, they're outside of the law.

No, the over-arching theme here should be as Bill Mahr calls it. We need to get the fuck out - TOTALLY out - and allow these folks to fight it out til the dust settles. Then we build a fine new embassy to be able to have diplomatic relations with whoever it was that came out on top!

EDIT to add.... Another motive for us being there is that this region is a REAL LIFE proving ground for builders of war implements. What better sales pitches than footage of U.S.-made weaponry blowing the hell out of angry sorts toting AK-47s and RPGs??? "And would you like that in natural aluminum or one of our available camouflage patterns?"

NutmegYankee

(16,177 posts)
36. I'll have to disagree.
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:25 PM
May 2015

There are groups around the world that specialize in kidnapping and such for ransoms. When they kidnap one of our citizens, we have an obligation to act.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
45. So MUCH of the antagonism
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:03 PM
May 2015

that inspires these "groups" to do things like this is because of foreign interference in what is essentially THEIR business. If we'd STAY OUT OF IT, one side would eventually prevail and relative peace might set in.


Edit to add..... As a "for instance", the US military did a ground intervention to take out the ISIS "commander" yesterday. Now - can you just imagine the demoralizing effect that's having on ISIS. Can't you just SEE them all standing around dejectedly and tossing their weapons into a pile and giving up? That's right - I can't either. That raid was just one more recruiting call for ISIS. And the insanity goes on!

former9thward

(31,801 posts)
39. The Sykes-Picot Agreement in WW I created ISIS.
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

It is not our war. Obama sent those troops in and made it our war. It is his war.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. Our Ops is good, got the target, captured his wife & rescued a Yazidi woman they had as a slave!
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:02 AM
May 2015

This is the main IS leader who sold oil/gas to fund IS.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
55. Agreed. Read that there was hand-to-hand combat involved too.
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:37 PM
May 2015

Apparently all our guys came back but a dozen ISIS killed

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
70. Yeah
Sun May 17, 2015, 05:27 AM
May 2015

It sucks to say but this is a hell of a sight better than droning the location and obliterating the whole lot.

If you're going to invest in some special operations, do it, don't go the drone route, you won't get intel, you'll kill a lot of innocent people, and probably recruit more.

This sort of thing is super politically risky (Black Hawk down) so politicians don't go that route.

Shame we couldn't capture the leader (assuming that it wasn't a kill op).

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. Based on a retired officer living in Miami, no less.
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:45 AM
May 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
35. He would be right.
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:21 PM
May 2015

It's all happening in slow motion with a lot of background clutter, so some don't notice.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
18. Good use of Special Ops.
Sat May 16, 2015, 10:25 AM
May 2015

Too bad they couldn't have taken him alive and got some info out of him.

As for his death, good riddance.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
44. And for every one we kill, 5 more spring up.
Sat May 16, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

COINS failed in Vietnam, and it appears that we unlearned all of the lessons of that war after the first Gulf War.

There is one hell of a lot of young people who see the U.S. as a massive military hegemony dictating how the rest of the world lives from the point of a gun. That's exactly what Cheney, Rumsfeld and the PNAC gang wanted, and they brought about hell on earth by testing the plan out on Iraq.

These young, disillusioned people will flock to any group that openly opposes this perceived hegemony and demonstrates some military success, regardless of how rotten or sick the demonstrated agenda of the group is in reality.

We caused this whole goddamn mess with our military, and we think we can sort it out militarily? Stupid.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
47. Don't propagate an urban myth
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:23 PM
May 2015

There is no evidence that new terrorists pop up for every kill that otherwise wouldn't have popped up. The terrorists are just fackwads who would have turned to terror in the name of religion anyway -- whether they feel ostracized or triumphant.

If ISIS is left unopposed, it will only become stronger and their military gains will encourage far far more people to join them than their brutal and decisive demise.

I am all for mowing down all ISIS and similar extremist warriors whether they are in Nigeria, Somalia, Iraq, Syria or Pakistan.

I repeat. A good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

 

Daniel537

(1,560 posts)
60. We killed tens of thousands of fighters in Iraq under Dubya.
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:21 PM
May 2015

According to your theory, we should have a peaceful and stable Middle East by now. This "victory through body-counts" nonsense has been disproved throughout history, see Vietnam for a clear, and pretty fucking obvious, example. No serious person thinks this conflict will be won militarily.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
64. Iraqis killing Iraqis set off sectarian violence that continues to this day
Sat May 16, 2015, 06:00 PM
May 2015

I would argue that Sunni / Shia terrorism has radicalized more Muslims than America. Let's not forgot that Sunni violence killed more Iraqis than the American military - in 2007 alone there were 440 bombings.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
66. What if there were 50,000 nutcases
Sat May 16, 2015, 07:22 PM
May 2015

and we only killed 35,000?

There is still no proof that killing people increases terrorism.

In fact, terrorism in Israel has gone down since Israel took a hard line and killed hundreds, captured thousands and leveled their homes.

Bending over and grabbing one's ankles is not a cogent anti-terrorism strategy.

Backwoodsrider

(764 posts)
28. yep just like clockwork
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:21 AM
May 2015

The US is trying to control what goes on in the middle east but what is a little odd this time we did not do it to benefit the Saudis. I think relations between Saudi Arabia monarchy and Pres Obama and many democrats suck.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
32. Obama asked Congress to end the 2002 AUMF and for a new Authorization
Sat May 16, 2015, 11:43 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 16, 2015, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)

to used force agaisnt ISIS.

The newer authorization would have put limits on a conflict, and ended the Iraq War, which is authorizes much greater force. Republicans chose this.

http://fox17online.com/2015/02/11/obama-asks-congress-to-authorize-military-force-against-isis/

eissa

(4,238 posts)
40. Best part for me
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:42 PM
May 2015

Was the release of the Yazidi slave held by this savage and his filthy wife. Hope the rest of the Yazidi and Assyrian women held by these animals are rescued soon as well.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
41. once they sort through his computers be interesting to see who were the buyers of black market oil
Sat May 16, 2015, 12:58 PM
May 2015

Is made a lot of millions off someone.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
43. lol - how many times has this alerady happened?
Sat May 16, 2015, 01:29 PM
May 2015

U.S. 'Special Forces' basically have a mandate to do anything that their commander in chief authorizes, whether the order has a constitutional basis or not. 'Lawyers' (I'm a lawyer and have nothing but contempt for these creeps) for the administration, CIA or Pentagon have bullshitted their way through a horde of legal 'analyses' which provide BS legal cover for a President to do anything he/she wants. There is no longer any need to go to Congress for a declaration of war, ever, the requirement for which is clearly established by the Constitution vesting Declaration of War powers in the legislature.

So, 'U.S. Special Operations forces conducted a raid in eastern Syria,' kill some people, which is an act of war, is now becoming virtually indistinguishable in the American mindset as 'local officers conduct raid on home containing suspected heroin lab', come under fire, kill suspect in ensuing gunfight, seize over 5 million dollars in heroin.

Where does it end?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
49. You have no knowledge of all the backdoor diplomacy
Sat May 16, 2015, 02:30 PM
May 2015

that must have taken place to make it legal.

I firmly believe that the US has a secret-handshake agreement with Bashar Assad to allow such operations at the invitation of the Syrian government, which makes it legal and doesn't violate international law. Obama is not stupid enough to send special forces willy-nilly where they could be captured by the country concerned.

Unfortunately, neither Syria nor the US are in a position to publicly acknowledge such an arrangement.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
58. But - but - but --
Sat May 16, 2015, 04:45 PM
May 2015

Did President Obama order this raid? I thought only GWBush had the male parts necessary to track down and kill terrorists. Will Obama stride across a flight deck with his crotch straps cinched up?

stonecutter357

(12,682 posts)
59. K&R!
Sat May 16, 2015, 05:01 PM
May 2015

This is a ruse. Everyone knows the head of ISIS is sitting in the White House.

Signed,

Your average conservative filth.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,282 posts)
68. So, they screwed up
Sat May 16, 2015, 09:20 PM
May 2015

It sounds like the primary mission objective was to capture the guy for questioning.

Killing him, while it makes for good press, was not the primary objective.

If you believe the press.

I'd bet there were not many whole-hearted high-fives after this one.

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