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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:25 PM May 2015

Bikers Put Out 'Green Light' Against Officers Following Waco Shooting

Source: Houston Chronicle

By Dane Schiller | May 18, 2015 | Updated: May 18, 2015 5:06pm

WACO - One day after a wild biker brawl and clash with police that left nine men dead, 18 wounded and about 170 under arrest for engaging in organized crime, this Central Texas town was still on guard.

State troopers and police carrying military-style rifles were guarding a sprawling outdoor mall that includes Twin Peaks, a risque chain tavern where chaos broke out Sunday afternoon when five gangs suddenly squared off.

A fight that broke out in the men's room and then quickly spilled into the bar area and parking lot turned deadly with rival bikers attacking each other and then squaring off against Waco Police who rushed inside the restaurant on the southern edge of the city.

As police rounded up the bikers and night soon fell, intelligence reports indicated that more bikers were on the way here and that officers had been "green lighted" - essentially a gang sanctioned call for killing - as retaliation.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Total-arrests-announced-in-Waco-Twin-Peaks-6270189.php

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Bikers Put Out 'Green Light' Against Officers Following Waco Shooting (Original Post) Purveyor May 2015 OP
Does not smell right at all... AuntPatsy May 2015 #1
I agree Roy Rolling May 2015 #6
Don't you all know that this is a black ops precurusor sdfernando May 2015 #10
Shhhhhhh! That was the plan! leftofcool May 2015 #12
Thanks Roy Rolling May 2015 #13
Aww shoot you gave away the plan! workinclasszero May 2015 #21
Gee, why don't I feel safer having my rights upheld by armed bikers? mpcamb May 2015 #23
no kidding. For some reason, I find those guys scarier than unarmed black men yurbud May 2015 #63
In what way? George II May 2015 #8
War zone Roy Rolling May 2015 #11
On cue the cute little quips come.... Your not wrong, there is more to this story... AuntPatsy May 2015 #14
It is refreshing to hear your reasonable reaction. pandr32 May 2015 #28
One cannot be a member of an outlaw MC and a good citizen. NuclearDem May 2015 #32
Oh absolutely they can...even if you've never met one, they do exist in the real world AuntPatsy May 2015 #51
Its happened before Nassau Coliseum in NY Historic NY May 2015 #22
I can't understand it, therefore it's not possible. NuclearDem May 2015 #33
I'll await real information, not from the police or media.... AuntPatsy May 2015 #17
Which basically just leaves the MCs. NuclearDem May 2015 #31
interesting......did you read this info you are relating or perhaps first hand knowledge? AuntPatsy May 2015 #35
That the Cossacks and Bandidos are murderers and gun runners? NuclearDem May 2015 #37
And meth. Don't forget the meth. tammywammy May 2015 #39
Ummm Texas is full of those selling guns AuntPatsy May 2015 #40
Ummm gunrunning is not legal sale of guns. NuclearDem May 2015 #42
Again I would offer some advice, don't believe everything you read even what I write.... AuntPatsy May 2015 #43
You're going to all sorts of different lengths to defend a bunch of organized criminals. NuclearDem May 2015 #44
That's where you and I show a difference of opinion, perfectly normal in the real world... AuntPatsy May 2015 #49
Some are some aren't, just as criminal police, criminal religious leaders, criminal politicians AuntPatsy May 2015 #45
I'm sorry, but what the fuck? NuclearDem May 2015 #46
Was that hard to understand? AuntPatsy May 2015 #47
Is "outlaw motorcycle gang" hard for you to understand? NuclearDem May 2015 #48
Not really I do recall perhaps seeing a movie with that name... AuntPatsy May 2015 #50
Fuck it, I'm in no mood to continue a discussion NuclearDem May 2015 #53
It's okay, I just find it extremely sad that you have charged someone you do not even AuntPatsy May 2015 #55
Don't waste your time.. sendero May 2015 #71
This looks like our first case of Sanders Derangment Syndrome muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #57
Just wait til Bernie rolls up on you Codeine May 2015 #61
This is begging for a photoshop. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #66
Sanders on a Harley wearing a leather jacket with a Burlington bottom rocker. NuclearDem May 2015 #67
Until Sunday at about 4 pm I had no idea what a bottom rocker was AngryAmish May 2015 #69
WTF does Bernie Sanders have to do with organized crime syndicates on wheels? nt geek tragedy May 2015 #65
In the meantime, "smells like...", "smacks of..." and "sounds as though..." LanternWaste May 2015 #62
. NuclearDem May 2015 #34
Is this like Baltimore sarisataka May 2015 #2
It was not called to battle police but to highlight the very real need of justice seeing the AuntPatsy May 2015 #18
That is what actually happened. sarisataka May 2015 #20
It does doesn't it... AuntPatsy May 2015 #27
They are truly VERMIN etherealtruth May 2015 #3
Depends on which "they" you are discussing AuntPatsy May 2015 #36
Agree. The whole thing stinks like a big fish. misterhighwasted May 2015 #4
Two wheels good. Four wheels bad. underpants May 2015 #5
Prime recruits Plucketeer May 2015 #7
I'm not sure I believe the 'green light' thing. bravenak May 2015 #9
Exactly even my son is mentioning that.... AuntPatsy May 2015 #15
"White on white crime" sus453 May 2015 #16
2 men start a fight and how many were shot by police? I think police escalate a situation again. Sunlei May 2015 #19
Fuck 'em Reter May 2015 #29
I like your style 7962 May 2015 #70
Thats not at all what was reported. 7962 May 2015 #30
Thanks. 840high May 2015 #54
Did I stumble onto "InfoWars"? These comments are a circus. 7962 May 2015 #24
No shit... bongo_x May 2015 #25
I remember that movie rocktivity May 2015 #26
My moon-landing denier neighbor uses the film Star Wars to illustrate his point much as you do. LanternWaste May 2015 #64
Pretty crazy to think bike gangs would declare war workinclasszero May 2015 #38
Sense in a senseless world AuntPatsy May 2015 #41
pay per view event dembotoz May 2015 #52
Waco romanic May 2015 #56
The name never augured well. Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #58
Intelligence reports???? 1Greensix May 2015 #59
A "news conference" in Waco this morning... CanSocDem May 2015 #60
Three arrested in Texas gang shooting released from jail on bond mistake rocktivity May 2015 #68
and TPP supporters thank God for the diversion Marthe48 May 2015 #72

sdfernando

(4,930 posts)
10. Don't you all know that this is a black ops precurusor
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:47 PM
May 2015

so the US Army has the justification to declare martial law and take over Texas?

Works right into that nutty agenda!

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
12. Shhhhhhh! That was the plan!
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:50 PM
May 2015

Now, see what you did! Obama had this planned all along. Get the bikers to have a fight in some stupid diner, and when they start killing each other, he can move the military right in to Texas!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
63. no kidding. For some reason, I find those guys scarier than unarmed black men
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:36 PM
May 2015

Maybe because I knew those kind of white guys growing up.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
11. War zone
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:50 PM
May 2015

It does not seem possible that a gunfight between hundreds of people, including dozens of police, could occur at a shopping mall restaurant.

Maybe I'm wrong. It just seems a lot even for this a bunch of trigger-happy idiots.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
14. On cue the cute little quips come.... Your not wrong, there is more to this story...
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:07 PM
May 2015

It's almost a bit comical some of the posts I have seen concerning this issue, keyboard judge and juries abound...

Granted there are bad guys attached to any organization just as there are good guys, frankly I would rather meet one of the good motorcycle riders on a dark street than perhaps the likes of certain so called upper crust, religious heads etc who I have a harder time trusting many of them further than I could throw them...

The whole charade smacks of a set up.....

By who or why, I have no idea at this point....

But I do know many bikers and never have felt in any fear.....

pandr32

(11,579 posts)
28. It is refreshing to hear your reasonable reaction.
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:06 PM
May 2015

Not all 1%s are felons. I am married to a Bandido who is a veteran, and a good citizen.
There is way more to this story as you say. Unfortunately all who were there were arrested and bond is set really high. Many have already been transferred to other prisons so they will not be talking to the media...in fact they may stay in jail. These guys are witnesses.
No way will the club be able to put up so much money for all of them. They may all be charged with capital murder because of the Rico Act even though we do not know who actually did the shooting. Some say that the police were well armed and outside where the shooting occurred, as many as 18 in uniforms and yet no police were shot. One report said there were police snipers on roofs.
The police are also planting stories that they are being threatened as a result of this and that club members will be coming to retaliate. If the police weren't part of what happened why would they be threatened? And if it was about gang rivalry as the police say why would the police be threatened? Wouldn't it be the "rival gang" threatened? The public is eating it up and will not come out against the police like they have recently over other cases of police overreach. We need to question the police on this and not buy into their narrative. The police are making themselves heroes here.
Thanks for your voice of caution.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
32. One cannot be a member of an outlaw MC and a good citizen.
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:50 PM
May 2015

In case you're confused what the word "outlaw" means.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
31. Which basically just leaves the MCs.
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:22 PM
May 2015

If there's anyone you can trust, it's organized groups of rapists, murderers, and gun runners.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
37. That the Cossacks and Bandidos are murderers and gun runners?
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:58 PM
May 2015

No, that's called understanding what the fuck an outlaw motorcycle gang is.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
42. Ummm gunrunning is not legal sale of guns.
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:06 PM
May 2015

It's illegal arms trafficking, the kind that gets thousands killed in this country and Mexico.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
44. You're going to all sorts of different lengths to defend a bunch of organized criminals.
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:13 PM
May 2015

Outlaw MCs are scum, and I don't doubt for a second these two rival groups started this between each other.

This tinfoil hat nonsense just gets old after a while.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
49. That's where you and I show a difference of opinion, perfectly normal in the real world...
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:34 PM
May 2015

And if you'd like you can call my fears that not everything is as it seems tin foilery it's your right and it's mine to tell you that charge is useless to get me to stop when attempting to ferret out truths is more important than an inane fear of of playing word games with others.....

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
45. Some are some aren't, just as criminal police, criminal religious leaders, criminal politicians
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:17 PM
May 2015

etc. some are some aren't. Good thing for Bernie Sanders people don't accuse him of the same crimes those in his club have been found guilty of and or simply charged with and never faced prosecution for those Crimes as they continue committing them

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
46. I'm sorry, but what the fuck?
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:27 PM
May 2015


Something something politicians something something Bernie Sanders something something LEAVE THE BANDIDOS ALONE.
 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
53. Fuck it, I'm in no mood to continue a discussion
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:38 PM
May 2015

with someone so obviously acting as an apologist for murdering, drug dealing, raping, and human/sex/arms trafficking scum of the earth.

Done.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
55. It's okay, I just find it extremely sad that you have charged someone you do not even
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:51 PM
May 2015

Know of hateful crimes simply because you've read about it..somewhere....

I liken it to the new term, Internet Outrage Warriors, we read, we judge, we lose empathy and I guess that makes some people feel better....

Honestly not trying to annoy you, just wishing you would understand...

Have a nice night

sendero

(28,552 posts)
71. Don't waste your time..
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:07 PM
May 2015

... you are WAY over this doofus's head. Some times you just have to water the tree of sanity with the ignore status of morons.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,306 posts)
57. This looks like our first case of Sanders Derangment Syndrome
Tue May 19, 2015, 04:33 AM
May 2015

On a thread about armed biker gangs and the police in Texas, suddenly Bernie Sanders pops up as someone equivalent to a member of a biker gang!

Nine dead in shootout in Waco? Thanks, Bernie!

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
61. Just wait til Bernie rolls up on you
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:36 AM
May 2015

and starts shooting because you wore your US Senate bottom rocker patch without permission.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. In the meantime, "smells like...", "smacks of..." and "sounds as though..."
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:34 PM
May 2015

In the meantime, "smells like...", "smacks of..." and "sounds as though..." are perfectly good parts and parcel of a sound and critical analysis from which to counter information available in the here and now.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
18. It was not called to battle police but to highlight the very real need of justice seeing the
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:31 PM
May 2015

Light of day realizing that together they will stand strong, apart they will be unable to....and more innocent people will continue to be tortured and slain by the very ones sworn to protect them.

sarisataka

(18,600 posts)
20. That is what actually happened.
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:46 PM
May 2015

The initial reports made it sound like organized battalions of Bloods and Crips were going to battle the police in the streets.

It just seems this is a bit of deja vu

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
4. Agree. The whole thing stinks like a big fish.
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:34 PM
May 2015

Dirty deals done dirt cheap.
Its too soon for me to unwrap this one though

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
9. I'm not sure I believe the 'green light' thing.
Mon May 18, 2015, 06:44 PM
May 2015

Not after the gang truce things was supposed to be a way to get together to kill cops. Not buying it.

sus453

(164 posts)
16. "White on white crime"
Mon May 18, 2015, 07:27 PM
May 2015

A lot of irony in this situation. However, a part of me wonders how many of them were killed by rival gang members, and how many were shot by police. Anybody know?

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
29. Fuck 'em
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:09 PM
May 2015

This is one case where I'm glad police were shooting. They started shooting, they are dangerous.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
30. Thats not at all what was reported.
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:13 PM
May 2015

A fight broke out inside, went outside, shots fired among a group of people, cops arrive, shots fired at cops, cops shoot back. Cops happen to be a better shot that day.
Cops knew a "meeting" was going on and were already in the area, knowing who was going to be there. Its not that hard.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
24. Did I stumble onto "InfoWars"? These comments are a circus.
Mon May 18, 2015, 09:23 PM
May 2015

Obviously most DUers have no idea about the biker gang world. Maybe get a little backround on this side of the world so you can understand that this really isnt a big surprise

http://nypost.com/2013/10/30/inside-the-worlds-deadliest-biker-gangs/



Funny thing is, they've called themselves the 1%ers long before it became a thing in politics

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. My moon-landing denier neighbor uses the film Star Wars to illustrate his point much as you do.
Tue May 19, 2015, 12:37 PM
May 2015

My moon-landing denier neighbor uses the film Star Wars to illustrate his point much as you do.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
38. Pretty crazy to think bike gangs would declare war
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:00 PM
May 2015

on Waco cops.

The big 4, 1% clubs are organized crime families basically. Giving a green light to kill cops would bring down way to much heat on the clubs, you would think.

The big 4 being the Outlaws, the Hells Angels, the Pagans and the Banditos.

Lots of others gangs too like the Sons of Silence, the Mongols, and the Vagos.

Any nutcase in Amerika can be fully armed with military styled weapons.

Watch out for the cross fire people

1Greensix

(111 posts)
59. Intelligence reports????
Tue May 19, 2015, 08:44 AM
May 2015

Where did these supposedly "intelligence reports" come from, thin air??? Police Intelligence reports have NEVER been accurate, ever. Think of one that was accurate. You can't can you? Police Intelligence reports claimed blacks were gunning for police in Missouri, and that was just another LIE to make rednecks feel sorry for the police and Fox could sell advertising time. I wouldn't trust a police intelligence report any more than a jail house snitch.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
60. A "news conference" in Waco this morning...
Tue May 19, 2015, 09:15 AM
May 2015


...featuring the local sheriff, said basically "Motorcycle gangs are bad..." and wild-west style shootouts initiated by the police are good.

The sheriff wouldn't or couldn't explain why dozens of heavily armed police from all branches of government happened to show up at that time and place.

I didn't hear him say anything about "the green light" which I assume was thrown in later, to sweeten the pot.


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rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
68. Three arrested in Texas gang shooting released from jail on bond mistake
Tue May 19, 2015, 05:34 PM
May 2015

Last edited Wed May 20, 2015, 01:56 PM - Edit history (4)

Reuters: Three of the 170 people arrested in a deadly Texas shooting among rival motorcycle gangs were released from jail when their bond was mistakenly reduced to $50,000 from the $1 million set for the suspects, a county judge said on Tuesday.

Well, it would surely be helpful to the public to know exactly who the three are, what they look like, and where they might be hiding. But I can't find a version of this story with that information. Unless the "victims" of the "mistake" just happen to be the most influential or highest-ranking gang members...


UPDATE: “Nobody Screwed Up” In Release Of Bikers On Lower Bonds

Those arrested and charged with crimes are entitled to bonds based on flight risk...

Officers arrested the three after they rode up to the perimeter of the shooting scene Sunday afternoon wearing gang colors and carrying weapons...They “were arrested because they had weapons and were charged in engaging in organized crime and were taken to the county jail," Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton...said...They were booked under a different case number than the other suspects arrested after the shootout, however, and based on the charge were granted lower bonds...

While reviewing the case, he realized it was connected to the arrests of the three bikers, revoked their bonds and issued new arrest warrants, Swanton said.

Juan Garcia and Drew King of Austin were released from jail after posting $50,000 bonds and James Harris, also of Austin, after posting a $20,000 bond. Garcia and Harris have been rearrested...

Nobody connected three bikers showing up at the scene of the crime with weapons and the fact that the crime scene involved bikers using weapons? And now they're charged with being part of the brawl though they never got to participate in it? If I were on the jury, I'd have to acquit them, because somebody DID screw up!


rocktivity
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