Venezuelans mass for year's largest anti-government protests
Source: AP
CARACAS, Venezuela -- Thousands donned white and took to the streets in cities across the country Saturday in the biggest show of frustration with Venezuela's socialist administration since a wave of bloody anti-government protests a year ago.
The day of marches was called less than a week ago by imprisoned opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez. In a video leaked from his prison cell, Lopez urged demonstrations to demand a firm date for this year's legislative elections and freedom for jailed opposition politicians like himself who human rights groups consider political prisoners.
A Harvard-educated former mayor, Lopez has been jailed for 15 months in connection with his leadership of the spring of 2014 protests that resulted in dozens of deaths on both sides of Venezuela's yawning political divide.
The opposition coalition did not endorse Saturday's rallies, underscoring longstanding fissures among critics of the country's 16-year socialist government. Before his imprisonment last year, Lopez clashed with other high-profile politicians, including moderate opposition leader Henrique Capriles, about the wisdom of organizing nationwide protests.
Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/world/article22704276.html
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(the only kind they have in Texas, other than the Texas Monthly if it even still exists) ran with the story.
Even with its flaws, nothing good can come to anyone but the wealthy in Venezuela if the PSUV is overthrown from the right).
Any more market economics imposed there has to make life worse for the poor. Nobody in Latin America has ever been a "socially-responsible capitalist" the term exists only in North America, and even there only as a bitter joke).
TexasTowelie
(112,150 posts)The Texas Tribune and Texas Observer are also fairly liberal. There are also a number of alternative newspapers (Austin Chronicle, Dallas Observer, Houston Press, etc.) that lean left so the press coverage isn't as lop-sided as you might want to believe.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)(We can assume everbody in Fort Worth is reactionary-after all, the place is 95% white evangelical.)
The PSUV has made mistakes, but that protest wasn't for any positive or egalitarian agenda. To be anti-chavista(unless you;re to their left)is to want the restoration of the neoliberal old order. None of the wealthy "opposition" types would settle for Scandinavian social democracy, and none of them would allow the left to exist or the poor to retain any rights or any voice at all if they ever came to power. It'd be like what would have happened in Cuba if the Miami exiles had ever overthrown Fidel-or what did happen in Chile in '73 and Guatemala in '54.
TexasTowelie
(112,150 posts)but the article itself is from AP. It will likely appear nationwide at various news sources.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Its coverage of Nicaragua in the Eighties was rabidly anti-Sandinista, its coverage of Chile in the early Seventies was anti-Allende and anti-democracy, and every story it ran on Arbenz in Guatemala could have been written by John Foster Dulles or the United Fruit public relations department.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)to be upset with the government?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If the Right ever does get back in power there, history ends and hope dies forever. Nothing good for the workers and the poor would ever be possible again...it would just be massive austerity for the rest of eternity.
christx30
(6,241 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The people never gain from steps back towards the past.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)the country is in worse shape economically, their crime rate is the worse in LA, the infrastructure is in particularly bad shape, but you can be Maduro and his cronies aren't feeling the pain, it's the people who are suffering.
7962
(11,841 posts)Chavez was a disaster; Maduro is continuing the failure. The only thing he and maduro has accomplished is to make everyone equal by dragging everyone down to the same dirt-poor level.
What a joke.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Do you mean toilet paper? When I lived in Latin America the poor couldn't afford to wipe their asses with anything so luxurious. Have you ever been there?
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Did you live in the jungle?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Just unaffordable. I lived in the mountains.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Venezuela simply cannot even provide it consistently.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I could afford the TP they sold. So could the priest, and a few of the local business people for whom it was stocked. The campesinos could not afford it. Farther up in the mountains there were no priests, business people, toilet paper or tiendas to sell it.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)Certainly cheaper than toilet paper these days.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)They want an end to the cronyism.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They'll just switch to a different group of cronies.
None of the "free market" opposition parties have anything positive to offer.
The only valid opposition comes from the Socialist Voice group who are planning to leave the PSUV in a few months.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)The Chavez govt, and then Maduro have so screwed the economy that it'll take years to unscrew the damage the Chavistas have done in the name of socialism.
Fact is the Maduro is not a very popular leader and will more than likely be defeated in the next election, that's providing that he actually allows elections.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But there's no "opposition leader" that has anything better to offer at this point-certainly not anyone who wants to go back to the old, meaningless Liberal Party Vs. Conservative Party politics.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Chile after the coup proves it can.
Nicaragua after Reagan and Bush bombed and starved people into voting UNO proves it can.
Nothing's worth losing free healthcare and education and having the community councils scrapped.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)I suspect there won't be because the corrupt ruling party knows they will lose.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Why doesn't anyone ever talk about moving to Venezuela?
Scandinavia, Canada, France, Germany, Ecuador, Costa Rica, but never Venezuela.
Such a paradise...you would think people would be anxious to participate in such a wonderful society.
Unless, of course, they care about a woman's right to choose.
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10939
By Z.C. DUTKA
Santa Elena de Uairen, October 2nd, 2014. (Venezuelanalysis.com) - On Sunday, around 200 Venezuelans from various socialist collectives gathered in the student residences of Plaza Venezuela, in Caracas, to protest the countrys strict anti-abortion laws.
Abortion is explicitly illegal in Venezuela except in life-threatening cases. The punishment for a woman who has an abortion is six months to two years in prison, while a doctor or other person who performs the procedure can be sentenced one to three years.
On the sidewalks surrounding the urban student housing, women and several male supporters hung colorful underwear-shaped banners from makeshift clotheslines, calling the event Airing Out the Dirty Laundry, in a symbolic effort to bring forth the intimate conflict that many women never have the freedom to express.
25 percent of adolescent deaths are caused by obstetric complications [in Venezuela], Dubraska Hernandez, an anthropology student and lead organizer with the Conjura Feminista collective told Venezuelanalysis.com. Thats 70,000 deaths a year which are never discussed.
~ snip ~
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Whatever type of "leftist" government it has, its not progressive.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Venezuela is socialist. All socialists are progressives working towards social justice. Therefore, Venezuela is progressive.
I would add the sarcasm smiley or emoji or whatever it is the kids nowadays are calling them, but I don't think it is necessary.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)to everyone in those crowds but the millionaires.
Capitalists can't bring anything positive to Venezuela. What they did to Nicaragua, Chile, and Guatemala proves that.
The "opposition" doesn't give a damn about anything but bringing the old days back.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and if they decide to give the country back to los ricos, what the previous poster said would happen will happen, and having learned their lesson about the dangers of democracy, the rich will put an end to any further experimentation with such egalitarian foolishness.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)the country is a disaster. The difference is that the Chavistas cut the poorest of the poor in on the good times when prices were high. Putting the old guard back in power will guarantee that the poor suffer through good times and bad.
7962
(11,841 posts)"Cheap oil" is a crutch when you have no real answers. The poor have suffered the entire time. The Chavez/Maduro solution is to make EVERYONE equally miserable while they live well.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)Many LatAm countries are doing MUCH better than Venezuela and they don't have such huge oil reserves. Peru, Chile, Uruguay, etc., come to mind. Corruption has siphoned the oil bonanza from Venezuelan oil into the pockets of those in power and the boligarchs. If you can't see that, then you need to do some more research.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)when the people who want back in power were in power. The only difference is they didn't let as much of the oil wealth trickle down and they sure as hell as wouldn't do it now. If you think they were less corrupt, or that life would be better for most of the people if they return to power, then you're the one who needs to do some more research.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I lived in an indigenous rural village for 2 years in Guatemala during the civil war. I knew several wealthy and well educated Ladino businessmen at the time who conveniently believed the Mayans should be exterminated because they were descended from monkeys and not from Adam like they were. I never asked them where they did their research.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)So you actually want government of, by, and for los patrones?
Thanks for admitting you are a reactionary.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)sarcasm or join the Tea Party if you haven't already.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Next time, add this smilie:
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)I should probably just stop trying to be clever.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)RW?
Isn't it up to the PEOPLE to determine the govt they want?
christx30
(6,241 posts)the people won't have much of a choice except for him.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)the people determine the government they want. The government they get is a different matter.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Whether its what anyone actually wants is always an unanswerable question.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)does what most people want most of the time and a bad one doesn't.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)speeches and slogans by the socialist party leadership aren't enough anymore. The time is rapidly coming when the PSUV must demonstrate that it can solve problems and govern competently. Major infrastructure projects cannot continue to spiral into disastrous boondoggles. Corruption and out-of-control crime in the capital and around the country are crippling. The economy is a basket case. I'm not rooting for the socialist government to fail, but they must get their shit together, immediately if not sooner.
But, I believe that many socialist principles are now deeply embedded in the Venezuelan constitution. Even someone like Henrique Capriles isn't going to remake the country's political structure overnight.
People want shit to work.
7962
(11,841 posts)And a big helping of Koch bros, I reckon.
You must have missed the memo!!
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)finally starting to get the idea. The memo you missed was written in 1890. Glad it finally found you.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)But apparently the 1st response to that post wasnt!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)americannightmare
(322 posts)there hasn't been an outright CIA-backed RW coup is because the last one (in 2002) was unsuccessful. They can, however, with the help of same institution and the Kochs undermine the government. Lotta astro-turfing going on down there. The people have decided, time and again, that they don't want neo-liberalism. If there is an alternative that they can vote on that is NOT neo-liberalism, by all means...I'm just disappointed that there hasn't been more support from other Latin American countries, most of whom received help and inspiration from Chavez in years past to break free from the yoke of neo-liberalism.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)A corrupt command economy led by incompetents. Marxist-style command economies are doomed to failure. The only thing which has a good shot at working is a Scandanavian-style scoila democracy, though I doubt the VZ has enough structure on its own to give it a real go anymore.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Every day with him in charge is a disaster for Venezuela.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)maybe Obama should step down? That is what these people are. A pinochet regime would not do anything to stop falling oil prices. They'd just screw the poor over it.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)And not only that, but they had to bring in thousands by state-owned buses from other towns close to the capital to fill up the rally. Maduro has no support, he has less than 20% approval rating, and most polls say that Leopoldo Lopez has the highest of all political leaders in Venezuela, including those from Chavismo and opposition. It was Maduro's own mistake to make Leopoldo go through the Mandelanization by putting him in jail for crimes that he did not commit. I should also remind you that Chávez effectively did attempt a coup back in 1992 that nobody denies he did and for which there is clear evidence that he was responsible for, and was promptly sent to jail for it, and he received a much more humane treatment than what Lopez is receiving today by the hateful Chavista delinquents based on jumped up charges imposed by him by a Chavista-controlled judiciary system.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Will be very curious to see how and when power will be transferred out of Maduro's hands.