Boston police shoot, kill man being watched by terrorism task force

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: WCVB

A man under surveillance by the Joint Terrorism Task Force was shot and killed Tuesday morning by a Boston police officer.

The officer and an FBI agent confronted a man in the parking lot of a CVS pharmacy on Washington Street in the city's Roslindale neighborhood at 7 a.m.

The man was shot when he "pulled out a military-style knife," police said.

“The officers asked him several times to put that knife down. They gave him several commands. The officers tried their best. Again, several more orders to put (the knife down) and at that point, he came within the proximity that the officers use deadly force," Boston Police Department Commissioner William Evans said.



Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/police-shoot-person-in-parking-lot-of-cvs/33350364

[Renew Deal]

1. Domestic terrorist or international terrorist?

[Comrade Grumpy]

2. Just a "man under surveillance" at this point.

[sofa king]

39. Weed dealer, of course.

We've never caught a terrorist using our antiterrorism laws, and probably never bothered to try.

[Shamash]

3. Will there be video and will it match the story? n/t

[uppityperson]

4. No judgment until they release the video. Eom

[cstanleytech]

5. Good for you, I just wish more would practice such restraint. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

6. So a person noticed he is being followed

by shadowy figures and decides to carry a knife to protect himself?

[brooklynite]

11. A machete?

(per the Boston Globe)

[Kelvin Mace]

18. "a military-style knife"?

A machete isn't a knife. So, we'll wait until they get their story straight and we can see any video tape which they don't lose or erase.

[Downwinder]

32. ..

[wingzeroday]

56. Very illegal

Boston has a 2.5" blade limit carry or vehicle.

[Downwinder]

57. No Crocodile Dundee in Boston.

[wingzeroday]

58. Affirmative

[cstanleytech]

20. Regardless of the reason for carrying a knife its never a good idea to pull one on a cop. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

21. Again, this is the police's story

I will await independent, reliable confirmation.

[cstanleytech]

24. Trump is well known for saying something similar over Obama's birth certificate

and the evidence never turned up to prove him right either.

[Earth_First]

30. Oh my...

[cstanleytech]

31. Well I thought it was a decent comparison.

I mean you gotta admit Trump has been one of the most vocal birthers running neck and neck with Orly Taitz at times.

[LanternWaste]

54. Independent confirmation is indeed, a right-wing conspiracy...

Independent confirmation is indeed, a right-wing conspiracy...

(I'd also dig in deeper to attempt additional rationalizations.)

[Sunlei]

7. why did another, young adult choose the 'suicide by cop' route?

The Federal gov. (Joint Terrorism Task Force) pays all local expenses including officer overtimes, police car expenses, everything.

After that shooting there must have been 100 officers showed up (after) standing around in their laughing chat groups.

Nothing like FREE GOV money to pay every cop on duty bonus overtime

[FLPanhandle]

8. It's not hard, the police tell you to drop your weapon, you just drop the weapon.

I'm an old white guy, but I'd have dropped that knife so fast...

[d_legendary1]

9. Tell that to the poor guys who were shot by cops

for NOT carrying weapons. Kinda difficult to belive the police after so many killed people who they perceived were a threat to their lives.

[FLPanhandle]

17. Not relevant to this story

This guy did have a weapon.

[Kelvin Mace]

19. No, the police CLAIM he had a weapon

I need more supporting evidence from people other than the police before I will accept any statement they make.

I can give you a long list of dead people the police claim had weapons.

[cstanleytech]

22. So, let me see I understand this.

Even though there isnt anything so far that points to the cops doing anything illegal in this case your going to automatically assume their guilty until they prove that they arent? That it in a nutshell?
And here I thought Obama had it hard when he was dealing with the birthers.

[Kelvin Mace]

23. Hmmm....

At least I am not pulling the trigger on anyone I "assume" is guilty. Sorry the police have lied WAY too many times to be given the benefit of a doubt.

Given all the stories in the media about the police gunning people down, including children, with little pretext and then lying their asses off about it, why would I assume the first reports about any police shooting are true?

Comparing me for being skeptical of the police to a birther is pretty damned low, thank you very much.

[cstanleytech]

26. The problem is though that the FBI was there to.

"The initial investigation shows both the police officer and FBI agent discharged their weapons, according to 5 Investigates' Karen Anderson. Evans said Rahim was shot twice."

Edit: Unless of course you are claiming Anderson is lying about the FBI being there.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. The FBI doesn't have a pristine record on telling the truth either

Sorry, law enforcement has forfeited the presumption of innocence.

[cstanleytech]

28. So now the FBI is in on it *eye roll*

[24601]

33. Only because President Obama order them to kill the guy....**groan & satire** Otherwise they would

have let him go on his way caring for elderly, disabled BoSox fans.

[Kelvin Mace]

34. No, i simply said that

the FBI doesn't have a great reputation for the truth. Do you wish me to list the number of times the FBI had been caught lying, starting with this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/04/fbi_s_flawed_forensics_expert_testimony_hair_analysis_bite_marks_fingerprints.html

[cstanleytech]

35. How is that exactly relevant to this specific FBI agent?

And where do you draw the line? By that I mean is this only a profession based bigotry, being law enforcement or do you extend it to other professions equally?

[Kelvin Mace]

37. So, you are just going to pretend

that no one has any reason to doubt the word of law enforcement, especially federal law enforcement?

Cool.

[cstanleytech]

38. No, Its because its faulty logic at best and its bigotry at worst

to assume that everyone be it because of their job, religion, language, country or because of their skin color is now automatically guilty because of the actions of a few and should no longer be trusted.
If you have have something though thats actually relevant to this specific case to show that the officers acted improperly then please by all means share it but if you dont have that what exactly are contributing to this discussion??

[Kelvin Mace]

40. Um, no

You are trying to make this an issue like racism. Next you will tell me it is wrong to distrust conservatives and I should simply believe they are telling the truth, despite a half century of experience that they are wrong 95% of the time. 99.9% when their statements stray into areas beyond what day of the week it is or what color the sky is.

[cstanleytech]

45. Not at all. Racism is an entirely different thing than bigotry.

http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-bigot-and-racist

[quote]Key difference: The main difference between racist and bigot is that fact that racism discriminates on the basis of race, whereas a bigot discriminates on the basis of his personal opinion, which can include race, gender, religion or beliefs.[/quote]

[Kelvin Mace]

47. So, I should never question a person's actions and make assumptions

on the basis of their associations, such as Klansmen, GOP members, NAMBLA members, or any group with a long history of violence, deception, and corruption.

That would be bigotry.

Gotcha.

As a person with 40+ years experience with being lied to by policemen and prosecutors, from the trivial to the deadly serious (how my mother wound up dead in the road after being hit by a drunk driving cop) and being treated as a criminal by the police and prosecutors as a crime victim (of everything from robbery to sexual assault), I sure as Hell will rethink my experience and change my view and accept anything they tell me from now on as the absolute truth.

Thank you for opening my eyes. I have a number of friends and associates with darker skin tones and even arabic names who will be delighted to know that they have absolutely nothing to fear from any LEO from this day forward.

[cstanleytech]

48. No, questioning is 100% fine and it should always be done.

Dismissing out of hand what the police and FBI agents are saying simply because they are police and or FBI agents is where the bigotry is coming in and its not right, its simple as that.
But hey take heart, if something actually does emerge down the road that proves you right to automatically assume that they are liars not to be trusted you can pat yourself on the back all you want.

[Kelvin Mace]

50. When society gives someone a badge and a gun

and then the literal power of life and death over it, I don't think it is too much to expect that they be held to a higher standard. The law enforcement community has demonstrated repeatedly that it is prepared to abuse the power it is given, and defend even the most egregious actions by its members. In Orange County we find police and prosecutors colluding to manufacture evidence and allow murderer to walk free in order to protect that collusion form scrutiny.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/oc_snitch_scandal/

When law enforcement agencies start telling the truth and prosecuting criminals in their own ranks, then and only then will they have earned the right to the benefit of a doubt.

It must be nice to live in your world where all the policeman are Andy Taylor and all the FBI agents are Ephram Zimbalist.

[cstanleytech]

51. Ya its relevant to these police officers how exactly? Oh thats right, its not.

Anyway according to http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/usaama-rahim-boston-terrorism-suspect-planned-beheading-authorities-say.html there is video of the shooting.

[Kelvin Mace]

52. It's relevant in that you cannot believe

what the police (or FBI) say without hard evidence to back it up. And even then, they will tell you that what you see is not what you see.

I learned from a very young age that policemen lie, routinely and reflexively. The few who don't, know those who do and keep their mouth shut, thus becoming accomplices to the lies. The VERY few who tell the truth and expose the criminals in their midst become targets (See Frank Serpico and this DA)

[d_legendary1]

44. So did the poor guy in South Carolina who according to police

took the cop's tazer and was shot 8 times for it. Had it not been for some brave soul who recoded the whole incident that cop would still be walking the street looking for someone else to murder.

Point is until the facts come out we can't trust the police until a thorough investigation has been done. Unless of course they handle the investigation like they handled Mike Brown's.

[cstanleytech]

46. Well in this case the police arent the only ones who will be investigating as

an FBI agent was involved according to the article because I guess the FBI was monitoring the guy so I wouldnt be surprised to learn that they have some video or something as well of the shooting.

[d_legendary1]

53. Let's hope its an honest investigation by the FBI

And not some crap that they've pulled like the Liberty City Seven and the teen who made bomb threats.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/liberty-city-seven-trial-travesty-6363384

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/seattle-times-outraged-fbi-fake-article-article-1.1989757

[KingCharlemagne]

41. Sort of like how Mike Brown dropped his weapon? Oh wait. . . - nt

[Downwinder]

10. Preemptive strike?

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. Source: Man fatally shot by Boston police part of terror network

A man who was fatally shot by police in Boston on Tuesday was part of a broader terror investigation involving suspected Islamist extremists being tracked by the U.S. Joint Terrorism Task Force, a law enforcement official said. The suspect belonged to an ad hoc terror network, said a second law enforcement source. Police and federal agents shot and killed the man after he waved a large military-style knife at officers.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/02/us/boston-police-shooting/

[Downwinder]

13. What is an "ad hoc terror network?"

[snooper2]

14. kind of like copy-cat killers

[Bosonic]

15. A pack of Lone Wolves

[Downwinder]

16. Or one made up as you go along?

[seveneyes]

25. Usaama Rahim, 26, was shot and killed after waving a large military knife

[geek tragedy]

29. There is video.

In a statement, the Islamic Society of Boston said police have invited Muslim leaders Wednesday to watch surveillance video of the shooting.

"As religious institutions serving the Boston Muslim community, the Islamic Society of Boston (ISB) and Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center (ISBCC) leadership are saddened to hear of the shooting of Usaama Rahim," the statement said. "This tragedy has yielded many important questions that merit additional attention, and while we cannot expect all questions to be answered ... our hope is that greater clarity and transparency will bring some peace to our congregation and the Boston community at large."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/02/us/boston-police-shooting/

[pocoloco]

36. If you have a knife, refuse to put it down and

advance within 21 feet (The Tueller Drill) of an officer you are gonna
get your ass shot!

Not rocket science!

[LanternWaste]

55. Too bad that standard is less than consistency...

Too bad that standard is less than consistency... else Freddie Gray may yet be alive, regardless of not carrying a knife, not advancing within 21 feet, or even rocket science.

[KingCharlemagne]

42. This story stinks to high heaven. WHY did the officer and FBI agent

confront this person in the CVS pharmacy? WTF? Don't you want to keep members of a suspected terrorist cell alive so as to make sure you've uncovered all the members of the cell?

[cstanleytech]

49. The story didnt say but there could have been a number of reasons but whats more important is

that they supposedly have video of the shooting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/usaama-rahim-boston-terrorism-suspect-planned-beheading-authorities-say.html

Commissioner Evans said the encounter had been captured on video, which he said, showed the officers retreating before opening fire. He said he believed Mr. Rahim had been shot once in the torso and once in the abdomen.

[muriel_volestrangler]

43. Boston terror probe widens after police arrest suspect

A Massachusetts man is in custody in connection with Tuesday's shooting of a man police say was radicalized by Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) propaganda, reports CBS News correspondent Jeff Pegues.

Police led the man, David Wright, out of an Everett home late Tuesday, linking his arrest to the terror investigation of Usaama Rahim.
...
Evans says the shooting was caught on nearby surveillance cameras, and the video shows police guns weren't drawn at first.

"And they kept retreating, verbally giving commands to 'drop the weapon, drop the weapon,"' Evans said. "At some point the individual -- proximity came [so] close that the officers were in danger."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/usaama-rahim-terror-investigation-widens-after-police-arrest-suspect/

[mainer]

59. A case where surveillance video supports the police

This appears to be a justified shooting. Interesting that each of the two cops only shot once. This wasn't a panicked unloading of their magazines.