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[padfun]

1. This can be changed

but isn't. Obama can put a stop to this without going through Congress.

I like Obama but this (and the TPP) are two things where I think he is failing us.

[GoneFishin]

2. There is little to no public support for these raids, so somebody well connected is pushing hard

behind the scenes for these bullshit raids.

[loudsue]

5. This is the USA version of law enforcement acting on the interests of drug cartels.

Where there's money and drugs, there is the DEA acting in concert with cartels. It's a territorial thing.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

12. two groups of cartels

those from mexico, and those from Merck, Johnson & Johnson, Roche, and others.

[loudsue]

20. Exactamundo!

That's the 1% turning the USA into a 3rd world country.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

27. the 1% makes the mistake of thinking this is a zero sum game

Either the masses get a fair share, or the top 1% can concentrate all that wealth.

That is fatally flawed. With a striving middle class, the entire economy grows, and grows more evenly, meaning the poor and need have less of a load and are easier to care for.

If you concentrate the wealth too much, then the same factors that led Karl Marx to predict revolution and how capitalism will fail will come to the forefront. Then, the 1% seriously need to fear for their lives. Hungry, unemployed mobs of gun toting angry people won't be stopped by a mere restricted community sign and wooden gate.

I keep wondering when the super rich will realize just how dangerous the conditions that they may be creating are.

For myself, violence is not an option. Too much harm and danger lies in that path.

I started reading Marx again last night. As an economist, he was quite prescient.

[awoke_in_2003]

37. I know Feinstein

has money invested in the MIC- I wonder if she has branched out to the PIC

[LeftOfWest]

52. Martin Tobias in Washington State

not sure if he is connected here but he is to be watched on this subject.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/01/the-millionaire-who-wants-to-control-washington-s-weed.html

Destroyed Med Pot for his own Corporate Controlled mine mine mine agenda using right wing liar Rivers.


The liar self serving Rodney Tom "I want power and attention and will caucus with rethugs to get it for me and only me " fake Dem agenda lives on in Washington State for a long time to come. The 1% love the Zell Miller traitor Tom.



Martin Tobias. Right wing me me me scum. Wants to be Pot King, anointed or not.

Rodney Tom. Fake Dem Zell Miller scum.

[sofa king]

54. I remember when Reagan created the Great Drout

Reagan's DEA spent most of 1985 and 1986 cracking down on marihuana, and it was the only time I ever saw the drug wars tip in the government's favor. You couldn't score a lid from Tommy Chong that summer.

It was in order to create a supply vacuum so that Ollie North could sell crack cocaine.

[hobbit709]

3. It's becoming more obvious that neither the legislative nor the executive branch has any control

over the DEA. And the judicial branch isn't doing a whole hell of a lot either to stop them.

[d_legendary1]

7. You're right.

Big Pharma is probably telling the gubbermint where to do the raids.

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. What leads you to believe that the Executive Branch has no control over the DEA?

[msongs]

13. and who is in charge of the executive branch? nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. President Obama

[Jesus Malverde]

44. President Obama has the power.

He could fire the head of the DEA, or the U.S. attorney who prosecute these cases.

As far as I know US Attorney for Northern California still has her job and she's still trying to shut down oaklands harbor side dispensary.

[Comrade Grumpy]

50. THIS WAS NOT A RAID BY THE FEDS!!!!! The OP has altered the real news story.

The actual version does not say DEA and FBI but "law enforcement," and later on it does not say DEA but "officials."

This is bogus. The raid was done by local law enforcement. No feds. No FBI. No DEA.

See my posts at the end of the thread for more info.

[djean111]

4. Loretta Lynch was quite clear - she does not believe pot should be legal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/28/loretta-lynch-marijuana_n_6565962.html

Loretta Lynch, the nominee for attorney general, said Wednesday during her confirmation hearing that she does not support the legalization of marijuana, and that she disagrees with President Barack Obama's remarks about the drug being no more dangerous than alcohol.

During her hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) asked, "Do you support the legalization of marijuana?"

"Senator, I do not," Lynch replied.

The rest of the article is interesting. Lynch will not stop prosecuting no matter what state laws are in place; federal prosecution can be easily excused if they say they are afraid pot will be in the hands of kids and a few other things. She disagrees with Obama on the subject.

Lynch also declines to prosecute Wall Street, and is really on board with civil forfeiture.

[Punx]

15. Well

She's wrong about this,

..."and that she disagrees with President Barack Obama's remarks about the drug being no more dangerous than alcohol."

"Lynch also declines to prosecute Wall Street, and is really on board with civil forfeiture."

Little by little, our Federal government loses it legitimacy.


And then there's this. Not the Feds mind you, but what the Cops did was totally inexcusable. This is shades of what dictatorships do to dissenters to send a message. Thom Hartmann had her and her lawyer on his show this morning.

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/why-take-my-vibrator-michigan-cops-legally-rob-every-belonging-medical-marijuana-patient

[arcane1]

29. If she thinks it's more dangerous than alcohol, she's either uninformed or a total dumb-ass.

With friends like these...

Of course, she probably knows damn well it's not more harmful than alcohol, and is simply yet another dishonest member of law enforcement.

[jtuck004]

33. "With friends like these... " < Not a friend, not even closes. A vicious and spiteful enemy. It's

only if you are fooled...

Wouldn't turn my back on any of these parasitic ass clowns.

[questionseverything]

30. i too was against lynch for same reasons

the dea has been stealing money at will with civil forfeitures for a while now and they are not gonna give up that money easily

[YOHABLO]

39. Let's face it these people are totally SQUARE. They had their noses stuck in books all their lives.

[Downwinder]

6. Rogue Police State.

[lark]

8. Disgusting!

Obama should be ashamed of himself.

[tridim]

28. You should be ashamed for blaming the exact wrong person.

But I'm guessing you aren't.

[lark]

32. Why is he the wrong person to be peeved at for this?

He's the one that hires the head of the Justice Dept. that's chosen to take these tactics. Person at the top is responsible for the acts of their subordinates. Who do you think should be held responsible for these federal raids?

[wildbilln864]

36. he is definitely the right person to blame! n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

38. Is not the executive branch

in charge of the DEA?

[Jesus Malverde]

45. Remember when Bush fired 8 U.S. Attorneys in one swoop.

President Obama could do the same.

[mike_c]

47. who do you think holds ultimate responsibility for this, tridim?

Serious question-- if the head of the executive branch is not responsible for the actions of a California U.S. Atty, then who is? If Obama is the "exact wrong person," then who is the right person to blame? Does all the blame rest with the U.S. Atty, or does her boss share some responsibility for her actions on the job?

[Psephos]

10. If only we had a D president who could stop this with a stroke of his pen.

choom gang for me, but not for thee

[Sunlei]

11. ask the local police department why they request the Feds?

[bluestateguy]

16. This is why I opposed Loretta Lynch's confirmation

And that is why I sat on the sidelines when a lot of people were whining about her not getting a Senate vote.

She is an Establishmentarian.

[rollin74]

19. me too

I couldn't understand why so many on DU were applauding her confirmation

[frylock]

21. yep

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. Precisely. She's a business-as-usual corporate tool.

[jamzrockz]

34. Some people even on the right

opposed her because of civil forfeiture support but hey, its all about the first black, female AG and anyone standing against her is accused of sexism and racism.

This kind of thing will not be tolerated under a republican administration but someone Obama will get a big pass on this. This is one reason why I am not too hopeful for the future. Americans are becoming way too partisan to demand for any meaningful change.

[romanic]

53. Shame.

Loretta of all people shpuld know how many black folks are thrown in the system due to weed alone. But being a corporate shill belies race i guess. :/

[jtuck004]

17. Like teabaggers - dea pieces of shit would just as soon burn the country down to get their way. n/t

[Throd]

18. Just legalize the shit already. This is absurd.

[iscooterliberally]

22. I've said it before and now I'll say it again.

The DEA is a redundant and parasitic government agency that provides absolutely no value to society whatsoever. The controlled substances act of 1970 should be repealed in it's entirety and the DEA abolished. We would be better off burning our tax dollars in a giant bonfire than to continue to fund this bullshit. Drug prohibition is a crime against humanity.

[Throd]

23. +11

[Punx]

26. +1000

[djean111]

31. This what worries me a bit about Hillary's "war on heroin addiction".

And I saw an OP somewhere on DU asking how has drug addiction affected you?
I am worried that this is a feel-good (who could be against heroin addiction?!?) framework for beefing up the DEA and local law enforcement. Two birds with one stone - police would LOVE to get more power, and who would deny that addiction is very bad?
Of course, this is not how to cure or mitigate addiction, but I wonder if this is the package that will be sold.

[YOHABLO]

40. Why in the hell do you think our prisons are busting at the seams? Incarcerate Incarcerate

Addicts need counseling and help not institutionalization.

[djean111]

41. I know that! That's why I would like to know what a "war on heroin addiction" will be.

I am afraid it means more war on drugs.

[Laser102]

25. You can stop this crap by legalizing like Colorado, Oregon, etc. disband The DEA.

Worthless scums.

[awoke_in_2003]

35. Doesn't the fed

have some soccer officials to go after?

[annabanana]

42. "a federal law barring the use of federal funds for such activity"

So who the hell is PAYING for this??

[madville]

43. This is how those on the right feel

When they are screaming about the ATF and ICE blatantly ignoring federal laws.

DOJ knows they can do whatever they want because it takes years for these matters to snake through the courts.

[Hotler]

46. Why are they not kicking in doors here in Colorado?????????????? n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

48. THIS IS BOGUS!!!

Yes, a dispensary was raided in Tahoe. No, the feds didn't have anything to do with it.

Here's the actual story the OP linked to: http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2015/06/02/federal-medical-marijuana-crackdown-continues-in-california/

The OP (or somebody) has altered crucial words in this story. The mention of the DEA and the FBI in the opening sentences is different from from the actual story says ("law enforcement&quot , and the DEA reference is also different from the actual text ("officials&quot . The actual story does not mention the DEA or FBI at all, but does mention several local law enforcement entities. These changes take a local police operation and fabricate out of it a raid by the feds. It's simply not true. In fact, if you search local media stories about this, you see it appears to be a local, possibly politically-motivated vendetta, not another example of Obama's Justice Department run amok. In any case, altering the text of news stories is dishonest.

[benh57]

51. The story was updated

It looks like the story was updated at 1:34 PM, after the OP posted the quotes from it. I suspect the OP did not modify it.

[Newsjock]

55. That is correct.

But to be fair to all involved, I will self-delete.

[Comrade Grumpy]

49. Local cops did this, not the feds.

Press release from the El Dorado County Sheriff's Office

http://pio.edso.org/press-release/897/

Posted on June 2, 2015

Search Warrants Executed at South Lake Tahoe Marijuana Dispensary TWC and Residence of Dispensary Owner Cody Bass

On Monday, June 1st, 2015, members of the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Office, South Lake Tahoe Police Department, El Dorado County District Attorney’s Office, California Department of Justice, South Lake El Dorado Narcotics Enforcement Team (SLEDNET) Franchise Tax Board (FTB), Board of Equalization (BOE) and Employment Development Department (EDD) executed search warrants at five locations relating to an investigation of the South Lake Tahoe marijuana dispensary Tahoe Wellness Collective and its owner Cody Bass concerning possible violation of tax evasion and illegal possession for sale of marijuana.

This joint investigation of TWC and Cody Bass by state, county and city law enforcement agencies has been ongoing for several months. No one was arrested, as the investigation is still ongoing. Investigators seized large amounts of evidence and documents which all need to be fully evaluated and audited before any decision is made as to potential charges in this case.
Any further inquiries in this matter should be directed to the El Dorado County District Attorney’s Office.