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Joe Magarac

(297 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:07 PM Jun 2015

Suicide rate of female military veterans is called 'staggering'

Last edited Mon Jun 8, 2015, 06:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: LA Times

New government research shows that female military veterans commit suicide at nearly six times the rate of other women, a startling finding that experts say poses disturbing questions about the backgrounds and experiences of women who serve in the armed forces..

Their suicide rate is so high that it approaches that of male veterans, a finding that surprised researchers because men generally are far more likely than women to commit suicide.

"It's staggering," said Dr. Matthew Miller, an epidemiologist and suicide expert at Northeastern University who was not involved in the research. "We have to come to grips with why the rates are so obscenely high."


Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-female-veteran-suicide-20150608-story.html#page=1

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Suicide rate of female military veterans is called 'staggering' (Original Post) Joe Magarac Jun 2015 OP
K & R DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #1
how many served in heaven05 Jun 2015 #2
My thoughts perzactly! nt Plucketeer Jun 2015 #3
Remeber when the story of those commanding officers d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #4
Mysogyny caused these suicides? Beauregard Jun 2015 #10
oh no...geez heaven05 Jun 2015 #11
Welcome back! LanternWaste Jun 2015 #15
Thanks, but I haven't gone anywhere. Beauregard Jun 2015 #17
Why are these suicides not included in casualty figures? KamaAina Jun 2015 #5
Comparing veteran women to non-veteran women is meaningless adigal Jun 2015 #6
Right sarge43 Jun 2015 #7
Gee, the military has, unwittingly, provided a safe culture for Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #8
Yeah, But... RobinA Jun 2015 #12
+ 100 DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #14
You're right. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #16
Yes, the suicide rate for both men and women vets is a huge concern riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #19
K&R libodem Jun 2015 #9
K&R Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #13
The Repukes who run our military... harrose Jun 2015 #18
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
2. how many served in
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jun 2015

combat zones? With the mysogynistic culture of the good old boys military, which still has not seriously addressed the problem(s) suffered by victims of rape and combat zone PTSD, something like this tragic situation was bound to arise.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
4. Remeber when the story of those commanding officers
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

who were supposed to handle those problems and instead engaged in sexual harrasment and in some cases rape? Yeah that doesn't help the suicide rate either.

 

Beauregard

(376 posts)
10. Mysogyny caused these suicides?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jun 2015

Then what caused the male suicides? Misanthropy? Patriarch-fatigue?

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
6. Comparing veteran women to non-veteran women is meaningless
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jun 2015

We know they are going to have been exposed to more stress.

What I want to see is the rates of veteran women compared to veteran men, and also factor in where they served: support or front lines. That's why the researcher said we haven't come to grips with why the suicide rate is so high.

sarge43

(29,173 posts)
7. Right
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jun 2015

The most important difference between civilian and military in any circumstance is -- can't walk away. Whatever is happening, service personnel are stuck with. Even making a run for it, still on a permanent shit list.

Depending upon how bad the circumstance, the progression can go from angry to entrapment to fear to hopelessness. Even as a civilian the sense of betrayal by your own never entirely goes away.

Baitball Blogger

(52,350 posts)
8. Gee, the military has, unwittingly, provided a safe culture for
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 02:53 PM
Jun 2015

toxic, autocratic leaders. I'm sure that doesn't have any affect on anyone's personal development. Male or female.

RobinA

(10,478 posts)
12. Yeah, But...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jun 2015

this isn't news. The suicide rate is high in the military. Men and women. The military has always been autocratic and it's not a secret. We have a volunteer force, so presumably people like me, who get a little insane when exposed to autocracy, wouldn't be caught dead in the military, unlike during a draft. So what's the deal? That's the question. As a mental health professional not associated with the military, I'm more concerned about the high suicide rate in general rather than splitting it by gender. That could come as an outgrowth of looking at the problem as a whole.

Baitball Blogger

(52,350 posts)
16. You're right.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jun 2015

I'm very concerned about the number of young people who are committing suicide. I believe they are a casualty of the pressures that society is throwing on us, making our lives and job security uncertain.

More importantly, as a society, relationships have become more calculated. People network to get ahead, not to enjoy friendships. We have stopped relating to one another in a purely selfless manner.

If this is hard for the non-military person, it must be unbearable for the military man and woman.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
19. Yes, the suicide rate for both men and women vets is a huge concern
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jun 2015

thanks for that.

While I won't speculate on the different reasons men and women vets commit suicide, I wonder if part of it is their assignment.

Men are assigned "combat" duty.

Women are assigned "support" duty.

So when they inevitably come under fire in combat situations (because they're the humvee driver - a support position, not combat), they're mentally unprepared for the stress.

So the inevitable trauma post-combat isn't dealt with appropriately (what else is new but with these "assigned" roles, it's doubley overlooked).

harrose

(380 posts)
18. The Repukes who run our military...
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jun 2015

... don't care about women, so why should they do anything to help them? In fact, they'd probably want all women out of the military, since they believe that women should be barefoot and pregnant. Wouldn't surprise me if they do everything they can to actually push women in service toward suicide (or out of the service).

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