Here's the CIA's Just-Released Top Secret File on Saudi Ties to 9/11

[Newsjock]

Source: Gawker

True to form, the CIA waited until 4:16 p.m. EDT this afternoon to release a trove of documents related to the September 11 attacks. Deep within one of those documents is a section on everything the agency learned after 9/11 about “Issues Relating to Saudi Arabia.” We can now share it here for the first time.

... Here is the only unredacted text in the entire section, filling up slightly less than one of its 30 pages:

The report emphasized that the JI had made “no final determinations as to the reliability or sufficiency of the information” regarding Saudi Issues raised by its inquiry.

Assessment of the finding

Many of the points of this finding relate to the investigative efforts on the Saudi intelligence presence in the United States and of Saudi officials’ contacts with terrorists in the country, and, as such, the Office of Inspector General (OIG) 9/11 Review Team defers consideration of these to the Department of Justice and the FBI. The Team lacks access to the full range of investigative materials in FBI possession and is therefore unable to either concur or dissent on those points. In addition, the Team encountered no evidence that the Saudi Government knowingly and willingly supported al-Qa’ida terrorists. Individuals in both the Near East Division (NE) and the Counterterrorist Center [REDACTED] told the Team they had not seen any reliable reporting confirming Saudi Government involvement with and financial support for terrorism prior to 9/11, although a few also speculated that dissident sympathizers within the government may have aided al-Qa’ida. A January 1999 Directorate of Intelligence (DI) Office of Transnational Issues Intelligence Report on Bin Ladin’s finances indicated that “limited” reporting suggested that “a few Saudi Government officials” may support Usama Bin Ladin (UBL) but added that the reporting was “too sparse to determine with any accuracy” such support. None of the Saudi Government officials named in that report was a member of a (REDACTED FOR 26 MORE PAGES)

Read more: http://gawker.com/heres-the-cias-just-released-top-secret-file-on-saudi-t-1710986289

[truthisfreedom]

1. Jesus.

Where's edward when you need him?

[pangaia]

2. Good one. :>)))

[George II]

9. Hiding out in Moscow with his best buddies

[Peace Patriot]

13. ...driven to seek refuge there by our lovely police state!

If our rulers believed in democracy, they would be giving Snowden a medal, not hunting him, to bury him in some dungeon with sadistic interrogators, never to be seen again.

WHOSE FAULT IS IT that he is in Moscow?

Really, don't push this ironical crap about "best buddies." It is so superficial, so lacking in thought, so jingoistic.

And what a beautiful demonstration of democracy it would be, for our government to invite him home and offer him a job as a consultant on cleaning up our democracy and ridding it of ANTI-DEMOCRATIC secrecy.

[George II]

14. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things, he chose the wrong way - twice.

[leveymg]

16. If Edward hadn't done it "the wrong way", it wouldn't have gotten done. So, net positive for the US

Someone had to do it, some way. So, it's done and we all know what some of us merely surmised. We became the police state we thought we were fighting all these years.

[George II]

19. Interesting that you chose Mahatma Gandhi for your signature - HE would have done it the right way!

[leveymg]

21. You don't know your Gandhi - he was all in favor of whistleblowers and leaks

to the press that came from The Foreign Office about British human rights abuses in India. Those were the nasty gov't secrets that mattered in the then and there. Here's a more general statement on the duty to disobey unjust laws.

From On Nonviolent Resistance by Mohandas K. Gandhi

There are two ways of countering injustice. One way is to smash the head of the man who perpetrates injustice and to get your own head smashed in the process. All strong people in the world adopt this course. Everywhere wars are fought and millions of people are killed. The consequence is not the progress of a nation but its decline…Pride makes a victorious nation bad-tempered. It falls into luxurious ways of living. Then for a time, it may be conceded, peace prevails. But after a short while, it comes more and more to be realized that the seeds of war have not been destroyed but have become a thousand times more nourished and mighty. No country has ever become, or will ever become, happy through victory in war. A nation does not rise that way; it only falls further. In fact, what comes to it is defeat, not victory. And if, perchance, either our act or our purpose was ill-conceived, it brings disaster to both belligerents.

But through the other method of combating injustice, we alone suffer the consequences of our mistakes, and the other side is wholly spared. This other method is satyagraha. One who resorts to it does not have to break another’s head; he may merely have his own head broken. He has to be prepared to die himself suffering all the pain. In opposing the atrocious laws of the Government of South Africa, it was this method that we adopted. We made it clear to the said Government that we would never bow to its outrageous laws. No clapping is possible without two hands to do it, and no quarrel without two persons to make it. Similarly, no State is possible without two entities, the rulers and the ruled. You are our sovereign, our Government, only so long as we consider ourselves your subjects. When we are not subjects, you are not the sovereign either. So long as it is your endeavor to control us with justice and love we will let you do so. But if you wish to strike at us from behind we cannot permit it. Whatever you do in other matters, you will have to ask our opinion about the laws that concern us. If you make laws to keep us suppressed in a wrongful manner and without taking us into confidence, these laws will merely adorn the statute books. We will never obey them. Award us for what punishment you like, we will put up with it. Send us to prison and we will live there as in a paradise. Ask us to mount the scaffold and we will do so laughing. Shower what sufferings you like upon us; we will calmly endure all and not hurt a hair of your body. We will gladly die and will not so much as touch you. But so long as there is yet life in these our bones, we will never comply with your arbitrary laws.

[George II]

23. Yes, he was in favor of whistleblowing and leaks, and he also believed in this....

....."Award us for what punishment you like, we will put up with it." (from your own excerpt above)

Did Snowden believe this? Does believe this? I'd say no.

[leveymg]

24. So, that makes Snowden what? An imperfect practioner of Satyagraha.

Was Snowden an imperfect practitioner. Undeniably. An imperfect soldier. No doubt. He prefers Resistance without the jail cell. Disobedience without all the pain. But did he do "the wrong thing?" That is for history to judge. So far, he's come out ahead of his former bosses. Here's more on that:

As he described in 1920 before a court of law in India, Ghandhi called his methodology Satyagraha: "The term 'Satyagraha' was coined by me in South Africa ... Its root meaning is holding on to truth, hence truth-force. I have also called it love-force or soul-force. In the application of Satyagraha, I discovered in the earliest stages that pursuit of truth did not admit of violence being inflicted on one's opponent but that he must be weaned from error by patience and sympathy. For what appears to be truth to the one may appear to be error to the other. And patience means self-suffering. So the doctrine came to mean vindication of truth, not by infliction of suffering on the opponent, but on one's own self.

"But in the political field, the struggle on behalf of the people mostly consists in opposing error in the shape of unjust laws. When you have failed to bring the error home to the lawgiver by way of petitions and the like, the only remedy open to you, if you do not wish to submit to error, is to compel him by physical force to yield to you or by suffering in your own person by inviting the penalty for the breach of the law ... In my opinion, the beauty and efficacy of Satyagraha are so great and the doctrine so simple that it can be preached even to children.

Speaking later that year to the Congress considering Non-Cooperation, Gandhi explained that passing a resolution was not enough but each individual must put make it work by harnessing the power of anger into the practice of nonviolence: "For non-co-operation is a measure of discipline and sacrifice and it demands patience and respect for opposite views. And unless we are able to evolve a spirit of mutual toleration for diametrically opposite views, non-co-operation is an impossibility. I have learnt through bitter experience the one supreme lesson to conserve my anger, and as heat conserved is transmuted into energy, even so, our anger controlled can be transmuted into a power which can move the world."

Nonviolence is difficult and requires great discipline. Gandhi warned that there is no easy way. "It takes a fairly strenuous course of training to attain to a mental state of non-violence ... unless there is a hearty co-operation of the mind, the mere outward observance will be simply a mask, harmful both to the man himself and to others. The perfect state is reached only when mind and body and speech are in proper co-ordination. But it is always a case of intense mental struggle ... Such a struggle leaves one stronger for it ... Non-violence is a weapon of the strong. With the weak, it might easily be hypocrisy ... Love wrestles with the world as with itself, and ultimately gains a mastery over all other feelings (quotations from The Law of Love).

He compares the discipline that is needed to that of a soldier: "In daily life, it has to be a course of discipline though one may not like it, like, for instance, the life of a soldier."

[George II]

32. No, it makes him a coward.

[Nihil]

35. ... says some anonymous twonk on the internet ...

[sendero]

20. And people like you..

.. do nothing but sit in judgment of people who actually DO something. He tried the internal channels several times and this has been proven so you are simply WRONG.

[George II]

22. But he said himself (falsely) that....

....as a contractor rather than an government employee or officer, Snowden was outside the protection of this system. "The result," Snowden said, "was that individuals like me were left with no proper channels."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/07/snowden-i-raised-nsa-concerns-internally-over-10-times-before-going-rogue/

Further, he stole millions and millions of documents, surely he at least cold have stolen one that documented his attempts to work through channels.

[sendero]

25. I have no more time....

... to go through something that DU covered in depth a long time ago and the majority came out on Snowdens side. Latching on to idiotic quibbles that Snowden should have done this or he should have that is pointless. He proved to Americans that the NSA is out of control and that most sane people who understand why the founding fathers made surveillance of citizens difficult are grateful for what he did, even if he didn't dot every I and cross every T to the liking of every random bozo.

[Deny and Shred]

27. The right way is what exactly?

Wait patiently for the conclusion of the investigation? The results are now in.

''The Team lacks access to the full range of investigative materials in FBI possession and is therefore unable to either concur or dissent on those points."

The government is stonewalling an any actual investigation. They've had 14 years. This is insulting.

[nichomachus]

29. If by "best buddies" you mean

People who don't want to murder him, then yes. In the US or in Europe, he would be murdered by neoliberal assassins in a minute.

[AlbertCat]

3. Well, I'm glad that's all cleared up!

[JDPriestly]

4. What an insult to the American people. Simply an insult.

To hide so much of the report is disgusting. We have a right to know the truth and the whole truth.

Democracy? A dream abandoned long ago.

Let's get Bernie Sanders into the White House so that we have some honesty and so that we are informed as to the truth about what is going on in the world.

They are shameless.

No wonder conspiracy theories are so popular.

[Scuba]

6. +1,000

[markpkessinger]

7. Absolutely! n/t

[leveymg]

17. Some "conspiracy theories" are merely premature history. It's the official version that's mostly

lies.

[KoKo]

5. I'm still dealing with the Vote on TPP today...

That has scrambled my brain again....like after the Senate Vote for Trade Authority for PBO.

I'm slow...but, is what this CIA Release is revealing is that the only documents that have any text are the one you posted? And it seems to give a break to the Saudi's for lack of evidence in "9/11" complicity...that "they say" they can release?.

Is there something wrong with me?

Anyway...it does seem the "Friday Dump" ...typical.

[frylock]

8. how very informative

[George II]

10. This is "Latest Breaking News"? From the GAWKER?

[Wilms]

26. And your point is?

Just askin'.

[nichomachus]

28. Arguing with someone like this is like playing chess with a pigeon

No matter how well you play, you know the bird is going to shit all over the board and then strut around like it won.

[alfredo]

11. I never trusted Bandar Bush, AKA Prince Bandar bin Sultan.

[lovuian]

12. Our children died because Saudia Arabia

wanted to get rid of Saddam Hussein
and Bush knew it

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

[packman]

15. What the hell - released with 26 pages redacted?

What are they waiting for - all the named persons in those 26 pages to die or for the Saudi government to be overthrown or (as I suspect), for Saudi to run out of oil?

[leveymg]

18. All that was released were the official CIA conclusions. The facts are still hidden.

[tabasco]

30. No way. G.AWOL Boosh said they're our best pals!

[polynomial]

34. Bush condemned America with his greed

911 an incredible government, media hoax, where there is no recourse but for those political and news or media people to continue to lie and cover up or redact all or any information related to 911 of the Bush administration.

For the most part 911 is a criminal profiteering plan carried out by the cooperation of many in government business and especially banking in America.

The Arabs just greased the action, and Cheney business connection with Halliburton, moreover, the Cheney shadow government with secret mercenaries example a criminal post Iraq social blunder not reported by the media.

Good reason for the redacting in those government files. This phony war is a crime carried out by so many it has the potential to resemble the “reign of terror” during the renaissance era during the French history where tens of thousands of aristocrats in government business and academics lost their heads.

How, now reading the book by Marc Goodman called “Future Crimes” underscores the valued reality that collections of information is out there that will eventually reveal the crimes of Bush and Cheney administration.

The actions by Snowden and Manning is increasing in frequency however corporate data Information will likely extort those responsible or risk being outed into the public domain.

Business has the potential of information theft at in incredible rate exampled by such data base with Facebook, Goodman sites Facebooks own security department has a shockingly acknowledged that over 600,000 accounts are compromised every day. Did you get that? The mainstream media sure keeps that silent.

Marc Goodman illustrates in his book very clearly many more operatives besides Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden are out there to break bad and extort or offer insight to wrong doing at their personal expense. Worse, terrorist groups are becoming a significant part of these crimes.

Even on DU the news is out the Russians and Chinese are getting in on the greatest American blunder Bush and Cheney released on the American social structure.

This data corruption and extortion is an era released and developed by Bush and Cheney parallels what Big oil used to be… Data is the new Oil…

[Octafish]

31. Bush knew and bin Ladens flew.

Jim Hatfield wrote that George W Bush was so afraid of bin Laden aerial attack at G-7 summit in Geneva in April 2001, he slept aboard a US destroyer anchored offshore instead of on land in a hotel with the other heads of state. It would be the last thing Hatfield, author of "Fortunate Son," saw published before his "suicide" that July.

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://web.archive.org/web/20060906150015/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

I'd download the copy off of the Wayback Machine. For some reason, I can no longer find it at Online Journal.

The amazing Amy Goodman still hosts an interview with the feller.

[CanSocDem]

33. Indeed.

Two great links.

"Obviously, the pollsters didn't call Dubya's(Uncle Sam's) sugar daddies—the oil and gas companies. Because he damn sure is taking care of their interests."




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