Christie: Debt-free college is 'wrong'
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Source: Politico
New Jersey Gov. and Republican presidential contender Chris Christie laid out a multi-pronged higher education agenda Thursday, and a key part — unsurprisingly — is college affordability.The issue has shot into the spotlight in recent weeks, both in Congress and on the campaign trail. Christie delivered his address at Iowa State University, in Ames, Iowa.
Setting the stage with the story of his father — a top high school student who enlisted in the Army because he couldn’t afford to accept an offer to attend Columbia University, then returned to Rutgers University on the G.I. Bill — Christie proposed “a system where we all need to take personal responsibility to grasp the opportunities in higher education, but also one where we can get a leg up when we need it.”
Debt-free college, Christie said, is not the answer.
“That is a typical liberal approach. It is wrong,” he said, according to prepared remarks. “If college graduates are going to reap the greater economic rewards and opportunities of earning a degree, then it seems fair for them to support the cost of the education they’re receiving.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/chris-christie-no-debt-free-college-118879.html#ixzz3cwks1zTV
Typical moron thinking. Saddle people with debt for the rest of their lives. Great idea. I can say he's totally full of crap. My son graduated debt free from college and has been self-sufficient because of the lack of debts. It has given him space to pursue a career he enjoys without the burden of feeling forced to do a job just because he has a lot of school loans.
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just stfu, you nobody
You will never be President.
and I think he knows that, just wants to ride the money train while he can.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)maybe he should give them up since he got them for free.
jmowreader
(53,166 posts)
barbtries
(31,300 posts)i hate republicans. why is christie trying to be president? he's as corrupt as they come.
PersonNumber503602
(1,134 posts)or maybe they are just complete assholes. It's the same shortsightedness (or assholeness) that seems to prevent them from understanding the benefits that our system receives when/if everyone has access to affordable preventative healthcare.
canuckledragger
(1,992 posts)He, nor his rich asshole buddies wouldn't make any money from the massive debt the students would be saddled with.
That, plus having a well educated populace with that education being easily reachable to all is bad for republican election chances...the educated people would easily see through conservative bullshit.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)"I'm an asshole! Here, let me prove it!"
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)How did he pay for education?
He certainly didn't do military service.
surrealAmerican
(11,867 posts)... based on his statement here.
central scrutinizer
(12,652 posts)Invest in the future of the community through education for all, not just the rich.
romanic
(2,841 posts)“If college graduates are going to reap the greater economic rewards and opportunities of earning a degree, then it seems fair for them to support the cost of the education they’re receiving.”
The "cost of education" means nothing when most of the profits go to overpaid deans and useless buildings built on campuses to "look neat and fancy". How the hell can anyone "reap" the benefits of a college education when graduates can't contribute to the economy due to paying off high loans!? There's a reason why millennials are so broke and can't support the few retail/service industries that haven't been offshored you bloated tub of gas and lard! :mad
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)One thousand for tuition and one thousand for room and board. There is no reason that a year of college should cost 20 grand...no reason at all. However, I do think having to pay a small amount does ensure that you take it seriously and do the best you can. Oh and books should be free but turn them in at the end of the semester...if you destroy them or want to keep them then a student pays a very modest price. 150 for a book is outrageous.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Fixed that for you
Alkene
(752 posts)Plenty of college graduates "support the few retail/service industries that haven't been offshored," by virtue of working for them; Expect More, Pay Less.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)
Kber
(5,043 posts)which is no less scary, by the way.
In Christie's world, the primary beneficiary of a college education, perhaps the only beneficiary, is the person who gets the degree. He's saying, hey - why should Joe tax payer support YOUR college dreams when Joe tax payer doesn't get anything for it. YOU want to go to college, YOU pay for it.
The other argument is that we all benefit from a well educated society. So when Joe tax payer supports college for a complete stranger, he gets in return is educated teachers, doctors, and others who may feel, even while pursuing their own careers, that society in general helped them when they needed it, so they have an obligation to pay society back in some way or another.
Christie's method encourages selfishness and isolation. It supports the idea that the individual is alone and without help and he'd better start acting accordingly.
The other way creates a vision of shared prosperity, mutual obligation for one another, and tries to answer the question "Am I my brother's keeper?" with a resounding "Yes".
It isn't just whether Christie is an asshole (Yes he is.) The issue is actually much more important and the answers much more potentially dangerous.
Will we be Cain or Abel? Am I my brother's keeper?
Christie thinks he knows the right answer. I disagree.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)that the reason Christie is taking this approach, is because he is trying to appeal to the base of grumpy old white men who will fight tooth and nail against anyone else getting something for free that they didn't get, regardless of whether or not they wanted it.
I am not sure most conservative politicians really believe a lot of what they say they stand for. I suspect a lot of it is posturing for the base...just like many liberal politicians posture for the base.
Never trust anything anyone says during campaign season, unless you've heard them say the same thing when they weren't campaigning.
6chars
(3,967 posts)if we view college as a personal investment to make higher personal income, then students will demand colleges that do just that. this will further reduce publics support for college funding since it will be viewed as less of a benefit to society
to break the cycle, students NEED to be able to afford to go to college even if they are learning skills that will let them help society in other ways. if college was affordable, students migt instead demand colleges prepare them to make that kind of contribution. and then the societal payoff to making college affordable would be more obvious and have more support.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)usually haven't a clue how expensive it can be.
I suppose, those who go the route of junior/community college first, or worse yet get a technical degree at that point and get a decent job, also don't deserve debt-free schooling. I only sort of need the sarcasm thingy here.
If I were Dictator of North America, I'd want the public colleges and universities to be free, with a time limit on how long a student has to get a degree. Say, six years or 150 semester hours of credit. You don't want to give kids the incentive to simply stay in school and change majors every year and never graduate.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)They will have a bunch of regulations attached to it. One being grades....if you get a C- or below, you will not get to take it again for free, definitely a time limit will be installed, eventually they will have to have stricter guidelines on who gets in because the amount of applications will increase. Another problem will be what if every school runs out of spots. But these are small things that will have to be worked out and they will be.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)still exists.
As to the time limit my granddaughter took 6 years to get her masters and is now going back to get her Phd in Healthcare Management. She is managing a clinic, teaching Native American's on the reservations in the US how to implement ACA and is on the Native American advisory committee for health issues for the Obama administration.
The time limit will need to reflect the degree. Doctors also take longer than 6 years.
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)Disgusting thought taken literally, but now they have to start pushing back at Bernie's/our agenda!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and as such, a part of the national infrastructure, which should be supported by the national purse.
CTyankee
(68,160 posts)every time you open it, you get more enemies who can't stand to look at you or hear what you have to say. Dissing people in our society who are struggling with tuition debt overhang won't win you any prizes.
Selfish bastard.
TBF
(36,579 posts)in the current system the wealthy can send their obnoxious children anywhere they want to go.
If we have some sort of system in which college is free it might actually be based on MERIT and their little snowflakes might not qualify ...
Hugin
(37,836 posts)"Enter New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who, while speaking about student debt, school choice, and teacher accountability at Iowa State University on Thursday, suggested that debt-free college was not an answer — but debt-bondage was."
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/chris-christie-suggests-students-sell-themselves-to-investors-to-pay-for-college/
Um, isn't that slavery?
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)How can anyone support this idiot?
George II
(67,782 posts)...and I just retired from a successful career as an Engineer and manager.
Mr. Christie - I graduated DEBT FREE!
He gives the example of his father, who incidentally had his college paid for by the Federal Government. What about himself, did he graduate "debt free"?
More republican "do as I say, not as I do" BS!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)
liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)MIC everlasting wars. Years ago many did get to go to school this way but that was when we still wanted peace.
Secondly, "then it seems fair for them to support the cost of the education". They do - first they get the education and then they pay taxes. And usually higher taxes than before the education. And he is ignoring all the other benefits of an educated workforce.
I am not worried since this man hasn't a chance in hell. Wonder what kind of gathering and response he got at ISU? That is not necessarily a conservative school.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)as many bad ideas as possible as fast as possible. So far, he seems to be succeeding.
I notice that this post is my 15,000th . I'm glad I used it against the political interests of Gov. Christie, who I consider to be one of the least qualified politicians of my lifetime.
alarimer
(17,146 posts)It does not just benefit the individual, but those they may work for someday. Or they might take those skills and do something useful, like curing cancer.
Why are Republicans such mean assholes? I swear that is their primary quality. Their out and out meanness.
I know a lot of Americans have the attitude "Fuck you, I've got mine," but where did it come from?
customerserviceguy
(25,406 posts)If we commodify higher education in the same way that we do with any other consumer good, then it's easy to use the, "If you want a fancy car, then pay for it yourself," line of thinking.
He's a bit desperate to establish conservative cred with GOP caucus and primary voters, and he really doesn't have any other issues that excite them other than vetoing marriage equality. He is sensitive to the idea among his base that college is often just extended adolescence, where the government takes over from mommy and daddy in subsidizing sloth. Let's face it, manipulating that attitude put student debt into the virtually unforgivable category when it comes to bankruptcy law.
In any case, he's going nowhere. Part of the reason they scrapped the Iowa straw poll is that it would be embarassing for at least half a dozen Repukes, and he'd surely be in that category.
yuiyoshida
(45,396 posts)And he can make College free for students, and will show how that's done by taxing the Billionaire class, of which Christie is one of them!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)of the wealth.
Might as well just burn a cross on stage...
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)selfish, uncaring low life- is what that little prick of a man is.
rurallib
(64,684 posts)While the US piles more and more debt on those who can't afford it. We make post secondary unaffordable and we pay for it with a society that can no longer achieve. Brilliant.
I always feel like the US is going the wrong way on a one way street all the time and we are too stupid to turn around.
calimary
(89,940 posts)And in his case... um... the "pound" part - he oughta know.
I keep thinking about "Curb Your Enthusiasm" when Jeff Garlin's character is lacerated by his angry foul-mouthed wife for some idiot thing he just did with Larry David. And she screeched - "YOU FAT FUCK!!!!!"
I hear her voice screeching every time I see chris christie. Wish she could deliver that to him personally - and I could watch. 
Coventina
(29,697 posts)
hunter
(40,669 posts)Except for the wealthy kids, of course.
Christie is an asshole.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)because states were subsidizing education. This whole narrative about being self made needs to stop. I'm glad this jerk isn't going anywhere near the presidency.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
lovuian
(19,362 posts)for the military to get a college education.
problem is they may not live long enough to get their degree
gopiscrap
(24,714 posts)humbug
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)But we are saddling our children with massive debt before they even have the ability to pay for it. I never bought my first house until I was 40 years old simply because that was the first time I felt financially comfortable buying one. Now imagine forcing these college kids to take on something the same cost as a mortgage but with a higher rate but this house you can't sell it and it may be a burden on your back for a decade until finally you might see the benefit of it.
No one is saying that all colleges should be free but there should be a public college education available even if it is just 2 years so that someone could develop a grade or even just clear out all those gut course before moving on to a more expensive college to finalize your degree.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)a decent wage - and not be distracted by huge debt? -
Typical moron thinking by Christie - but then, his reputation precedes him...
Christie only serves the for-profit colleges - they are his master -
caballojm
(286 posts)is that when daddy went to college, the state picked up the lion's of his tuition. Due to idiotic tax cut for the already super-wealthy after idiotic tax cut for the already super-wealthy, since the days of St. Reagan, states have greatly decreased the amount of college tuition they subsidize. Consequently, it costs FAR more to go to college today than it did when the Gasbag from New Jersey's father attended. And why isn't he in prison by the way?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)in federal and state income taxes. Half the federal income tax goes to the Pentagon. Higher education funding in my state has declined 21% since 2007. Tuition has doubled in the last 10 years. I don't want to hear any shirt from some rich bastard like Christie about how increasing cost and debt for college is a goddamn benefit to me or my kids.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)You put in your 2- to 4-year stint in civil service, whether serving as police, building roads and public buildings, maintaining infrastructure or working with FEMA, and that guarantees you free access to public college?
I'd never vote for Christie, but I'd vote for something like that.
The Wizard
(13,721 posts)the Repubic grand scheme for a two tiered system of lords and serfs.,
Punx
(474 posts)Enough said.
denbot
(9,950 posts)Asshole.
Corgigal
(9,298 posts)an he will have no debt. This will include a trip to China last summer for a month. Berea still has one billion in the bank, so if they want to give 2,000 kids a free education, good for them. Some info I copied from Wiki.
Berea College is a liberal arts work college in Berea (south of Lexington), in the U.S. state of Kentucky, founded in 1855. Berea College is distinctive among post-secondary institutions for providing free education to students and for having been the first college in the Southern United States to be coeducational and racially integrated.[3] Berea College charges no tuition; every admitted student is provided the equivalent of a four-year, full-tuition scholarship (currently worth $83,600; $20,900 per year
Moostache
(11,167 posts)If you're going to go for "personal responsibility", then own that shit...no one gets ANY help EVER.
I'll extend it for Christie...
No banks may use electricity produced by a public utility because that is not teaching them "personal responsibility"...
No company may move goods on interstate highways because that is not teaching them "personal responsibility"...
No homeowner may call "9-1-1" when their house is burning because that is not teaching them "personal responsibility"...
No scion of a wealthy family may accept a position in the family business because that is not teaching them "personal responsibility"...
No investment banker may use the internet to research competition because that is not teaching them "personal responsibility"...
This entire line of conservative thinking makes me want to puke. Like all of their "ideas" it is a puddle when we need a lake. No depth, no help, just a mirage of too little, too late thinking.
Pukes now have no embarrassment about their greed.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Who cares what this low-life, insulting piece of shit has to say about anything of substance. His chance of ever winning the gop nomination is less than a snowball's chances in hell. Forget the oinker.
Fascist pigs just don't do Democracy.
alboe
(192 posts)Then we'll be at the same issue
EEO
(1,620 posts)TNA
jmowreader
(53,166 posts)"The good old days weren't always good."
--Billy Joel, Keeping the Faith
The Republicans' ideal man of fiction isn't Don Draper, Gordon Gekko or the cowboys played by John Wayne. It's Dagwood Bumstead: a married, white heterosexual male with two children who's been shit on by the same tyrannical boss for 85 years.
The only way we are ever going to return America to a time when employees would accept any degree of abuse you wanted to heap on them, is to make them live in fear. It's not legal to overtly create a hostile work environment, so the business community has changed to another, better, three-step plan.
Step 1: get college priced high enough that there are exactly two ways to obtain an education: join the Army, use the GI Bill to pay for college then encounter widespread ageism because entry-level sales executive trainees are supposed to be 22 years old, not 26; or take out a mortgage to pay for your schooling.
Step 2: get those congressmen you spent all that money to buy to make student loans non-dismissible in bankruptcy.
Step 3: use a combination of H1B visas, offshoring, outsourcing, rightsizing, etc. to reduce headcount to the point where every person in the company lives under the belief that his or her job is going to be the next one to go...which, since you're walking around holding $100,000 worth of loans you HAVE to pay off, would be a fate worse than death. Even the faintest hint of disloyalty - like...oh, I don't know, someone calling your workplace to ask the dates you were employed there - might be enough to get not only you, but all your friends and co-workers, escorted out of the building.
Don't you think MAYBE there's a reason why the kinds of jobs you used to learn from "Frank" who had been in the business for the last seventy years, now require a bachelor's degree?
TexasTowelie
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