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shawn703

(2,702 posts)
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:13 PM May 2012

Evangelist Graham takes out advertisement on marriage amendment

Source: WXII Channel 12 (Winston-Salem)

WINSTON-SALEM - Billy Graham on Wednesday released a statement on the proposed marriage amendment in North Carolina.

The 93-year-old Graham has a full-page advertisement scheduled to run in 14 state newspapers.

From his home in Montreat, Graham said, "Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern. I believe the home and marriage is the foundation of our society and must be protected."

Voters will take to the polls on "Amendment One" on May 8, though early voting has already started.


Read more: http://www.wxii12.com/news/local-news/north-carolina/Evangelist-Graham-takes-out-advertisement-on-marriage-amendment/-/10622650/12528692/-/qtwil2/-/

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Evangelist Graham takes out advertisement on marriage amendment (Original Post) shawn703 May 2012 OP
Too bad straight men and women HockeyMom May 2012 #1
They said the same damn things before interracial marriage was made into law sakabatou May 2012 #2
One more religious douche bag who needs to shut his cake hole. sarcasmo May 2012 #3
This Fella, Sir, Has Been A Turd All His Life, And Looks To Die One.... The Magistrate May 2012 #4
Yes indeed Sir. trumad May 2012 #6
Wonder if he's as concerned about income equality and a Republican party who would cut taxes for 1%- flpoljunkie May 2012 #12
Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern. AlbertCat May 2012 #5
Watching the moral decline of religious leaders causes me great concern Angry Dragon May 2012 #7
+1. freshwest May 2012 #8
Billy Graham seems to exist to absolve politicians of their ethical lapses byeya May 2012 #9
Loving v. Commonwealth of Virgina Iliyah May 2012 #10
"Watching the continual decline of my relevance..." kenfrequed May 2012 #11
"If gay marriage threatens your straight marriage, well, maybe you are gay." JoePhilly May 2012 #13
Lewis Black explains it... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #16
I saw Lewis Black a couple weeks ago in Durham NC ... hilarious. JoePhilly May 2012 #23
nearly 40 years ago I had the dubious privilege of actually seeing him speak azurnoir May 2012 #14
How do these groups maintain their tax-exempt status? nobodyspecial May 2012 #15
Unfortunately....... Swede Atlanta May 2012 #17
All those straight unmarried couples and their kids will lose rights if this amendment passes. yardwork May 2012 #21
I always wonder.. neovente May 2012 #18
I thought this asshole was supposed to be the "apolitical" one. Fuck him. n/t Ian David May 2012 #19
God doesn't make mistakes Mz Pip May 2012 #20
God does make mistakes. His name is Franklin. jerseyjack May 2012 #24
I have a feeling Franklin wrote this, and kind of pushed his father NCarolinawoman May 2012 #26
Franklin had a lot of help Mz Pip May 2012 #34
Selective morality is big business. Billy is just looking out for his bottom line. Duncan Grant May 2012 #22
Dear Mr. Graham, beac May 2012 #25
He was only too happy to accept regular donations from my grandmother spiderpig May 2012 #27
Luke 20: 46-47 guitar man May 2012 #28
Thank you for this! spiderpig May 2012 #29
Yw guitar man May 2012 #31
Well I see he STILL has the ability to SPEND his congregations' donations benld74 May 2012 #30
another verse of "Just As I Am..." Blue Owl May 2012 #32
Bearing false witness blkmusclmachine May 2012 #33
I wonder how many poor people that money could feed. JoePhilly May 2012 #35

flpoljunkie

(26,184 posts)
12. Wonder if he's as concerned about income equality and a Republican party who would cut taxes for 1%-
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:31 PM
May 2012

on the backs of low income people (62% of Ryan's budget cuts would come from programs that serve low income folks).

I kinda doubt it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
5. Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern.
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:20 PM
May 2012

Me too! Like when the government legislates religious dogma that should have no bearing on any kind of legal status. This intrusion by religion into everyone's, religious or not, personal life via government documents and laws has got to stop now! It's turning this country into a 3rd world dystopia.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
9. Billy Graham seems to exist to absolve politicians of their ethical lapses
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:28 PM
May 2012

and scold the rest of us.
Billy emerged from a meeting with Nixon during Watergate and said that we're all at fault.
I said it then and I'll say it now: Billy, I had nothing to do with it and it was not my fault.

Jesus jockeys like you are a blight on the body politic and aid and abet corruption.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
10. Loving v. Commonwealth of Virgina
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:29 PM
May 2012

NC senator's wife which I believe many people feel the same way, said marriage equality goes against the preservation of the "white race". Oh my GAWD, the same damn thing that was said about Blacks and Whites marrying during the Loving case.

I thought GOD made us in his image? He/she is not one race but all races combined as one? Oh well, I guess White Christians also have a cap on that tooooooooo.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
11. "Watching the continual decline of my relevance..."
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:30 PM
May 2012

Really? Billy? This is the most important issue on your plate?

But I suppose he has made a career out of selling snakeoil, afterlife insurance, and 'pie in the sky when you die.' What a tool.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
13. "If gay marriage threatens your straight marriage, well, maybe you are gay."
Wed May 2, 2012, 05:33 PM
May 2012

I think that is what we should be saying.

btw ... I'm straight.

I'm a straight man, married to the same woman for over 20 years. And honestly, I can't figure out how gays getting married threatens my marriage. I mean I've tried to figure out how it threatens my marriage, but I could not find a reason.

But then, as I thought about it ... it occurred to me that if I were a gay man married to the same woman for over 20 years, pretending to be straight ... THEN gay marriage would threaten my straight marriage.

I'd have been pretending for all these years, and now if gays could marry ... that would open a new door for me. It would create a conflict. A future in which I could be myself.

And that would threaten my marriage.

So maybe that's what's scaring Billy.


 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. Lewis Black explains it...
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:30 PM
May 2012

do a youtube search for "gay banditos" (I can't do youtube at work)

Lewis does a good job of pointing out the ridiculous by being equally ridiculous.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. nearly 40 years ago I had the dubious privilege of actually seeing him speak
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:00 PM
May 2012

what I remember is him asking for donations and adding that it had to be bills no change could be accepted-said it all for me moral decline my arse Grahams morals seem linked to his bank account

nobodyspecial

(2,286 posts)
15. How do these groups maintain their tax-exempt status?
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:26 PM
May 2012

Seriously. They are NOT using the money to help children, poor and elderly. They are taking sides in politics. Big difference.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
17. Unfortunately.......
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:38 PM
May 2012

while his days on this earth are numbered, his son is even worse than he is.

I don't mean in any way to say I welcome his death but he is up in years and in fairly bad health.

I am a gay man and I have a very hard time understanding how allowing me to marry a man I love or for a lesbian to marry a woman she loves "threatens" traditional marriage.

First of all it must be pretty weak if my getting married can threaten it. And on that point I suggest traditional marriage is under severe attack. I haven't checked the statistics recently but I believe there is now more than a 50/50 chance your marriage will end in divorce. I see how divorcing couples claw at one another, use children as trading pieces in divorce proceedings, etc.

Second point, the majority of Americans live in non-traditional households. They may be straight couples living together "in sin" - I doubt they just hold hands in bed. They may be gay couples. They may be single parent households. They may be households with multiple generations with or without marriages.

Thirdly, if our society is strengthened by stable, loving households, I suggest that a gay or lesbian couple that is bound by the same contract of marriage as a straight couple, furthers that goal. There are both benefits and responsibilities to marriage. You can't just walk away from it. The vows of marriage should create an understanding of sincerity and gravitas (not that it really does).

As other posters have noted, the only threat gay marriage poses to heterosexual marriage is when one partner in a heterosexual marriage is bisexual or gay and the freedom to marry a person of a gender to which they are primarily attracted tears at the fabric of the sham marriage.

yardwork

(61,608 posts)
21. All those straight unmarried couples and their kids will lose rights if this amendment passes.
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:45 PM
May 2012

I'm a lesbian and I live in North Carolina. Marriage for gay people is already very illegal here, and that isn't going to change anytime soon. This amendment is very broad and sweeping. If it passes, it will make marriage between a man and a woman the only legally recognized union in the state. This could mean the loss of health insurance coverage, housing, retirement benefits, domestic violence protections, child custody protections, and a lot of other rights that are currently according to unmarried couples and their families in North Carolina, gay and straight.

Billy Graham has just come out in support of an amendment that will likely hurt hundreds of thousands of people in his state, including many of his parishioners.

neovente

(24 posts)
18. I always wonder..
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:38 PM
May 2012

protected from WHAT!? How does a gay couple next door being married affect MY hetro marriage? Are they going to "infect" my husband and I with their gay-ness? Someone explain how gay marriage is a threat to hetros?

Mz Pip

(27,444 posts)
20. God doesn't make mistakes
Wed May 2, 2012, 06:41 PM
May 2012

It isn't the fault of gay people that this country is in such moral decline.

NCarolinawoman

(2,825 posts)
26. I have a feeling Franklin wrote this, and kind of pushed his father
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:13 PM
May 2012

into signing on to this statement. Franklin has a history of doing this. His father at this point in time, is medically frail and not as "aware" as he use to be.

Mz Pip

(27,444 posts)
34. Franklin had a lot of help
Thu May 3, 2012, 11:00 AM
May 2012

to get to the place he's in today - his father, his associates, the rw fundy community that indocrinated him since birth.

I can pretty much guarrantee that if he had been my child he would not have ended up the judgmental virulent twit that he is today.

Duncan Grant

(8,264 posts)
22. Selective morality is big business. Billy is just looking out for his bottom line.
Wed May 2, 2012, 07:02 PM
May 2012

Keep those checks and pledges coming in folks. "The Jesus Industry" don't come cheap.

beac

(9,992 posts)
25. Dear Mr. Graham,
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:07 PM
May 2012

I have great concern that old, dried-up, infertile, half-dead "men of god" such as yourself are still trying to foist your antiquated, bigoted opinions on the modern world.

But hey, thanks for stimulating the economy with the mega ad buy!

Hope you live long enough to see gay marriage legalized in all 50 states, you pathetic waste of skin.

Sincerely,
Married, Straight Americans Everywhere Who Want the Same Rights for All Citizens

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
27. He was only too happy to accept regular donations from my grandmother
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:21 PM
May 2012

who survived on Social Security and lived with us for the last ten years of her life.

Greedy, bloodsucking jerk.

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
28. Luke 20: 46-47
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:32 PM
May 2012

46 “Beware of the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and have the most important seats in the synagogues and the places of honor at banquets.

47 They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
29. Thank you for this!
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:49 PM
May 2012

I've been burning over the exploitation of the innocent and trusting elderly for decades. Ugh! I swear these hypocrites get on my last nerve.

Maybe Luke 20 will be right

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