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Judi Lynn

(160,415 posts)
Wed May 2, 2012, 07:26 PM May 2012

U.S. company hopes to import up to 500 tons of Mexican radioactive waste

Source: CBS/Associated Press

May 2, 2012 6:11 PM
U.S. company hopes to import up to 500 tons of Mexican radioactive

(CBS/AP) YAKIMA, Wash. — A waste management company has applied to the federal government for a license to import up to 500 tons of radioactive waste from Mexico to south-central Washington, where the waste will be incinerated and the resulting ash returned to Mexico.

This isn't the first application to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission to import foreign radioactive waste, but it's among several recent proposals that have generated little opposition because the waste won't be permanently stored in the U.S.

In 2009, a proposal to import thousands of tons of radioactive waste from Italy, treat it and ultimately store the remnants in Utah was abandoned following public outcry.

The latest application was filed April 3 by Atlanta-based Perma-Fix Environmental Solutions Inc. A public comment period on the application ends Thursday.


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500395_162-57426553/u.s-company-hopes-to-import-up-to-500-tons-of-mexican-radioactive-waste/

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U.S. company hopes to import up to 500 tons of Mexican radioactive waste (Original Post) Judi Lynn May 2012 OP
I wonder where it will end up once it is back in Mexico. n/t PoliticAverse May 2012 #1
Incinerated? Hold the phone here... doesn't that mean radioactive shit is going to go up the smoke truthisfreedom May 2012 #2
Why, yes. Yes it does. PSPS May 2012 #3
From 'Send us your poor, huddled masses yearning to be free...' freshwest May 2012 #4
+1 wordpix May 2012 #9
Actually, the emissions are much lower than the EPA's safety guidelines on Nm emisions...` SadPanda May 2012 #5
Too dumb to take seriously. Sorry. saras May 2012 #22
no, no, don't worry about that, the nuke industry has it all figured out wordpix May 2012 #10
stock price is $1.55 - don't count on this co. spending billions to clean up an accident wordpix May 2012 #12
So we're the country with the Clean Air Act and MEXICO is sending US nuke waste to FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #6
This is a good thing Gore1FL May 2012 #7
Sorry, but this is not 'loose nuke' material. It's tons of low grade FailureToCommunicate May 2012 #15
also naaman fletcher May 2012 #17
WTF? wordpix May 2012 #8
"Perma-Fix Env. Solutions, Inc"---yeah....right...never heard of them wordpix May 2012 #11
Does the State Dept know about this? Calling Hillary, calling Hillary wordpix May 2012 #13
company received SEC confidential treatment Mar. 2012 re: excluded information wordpix May 2012 #14
So - the Columbia River is in danger of KT2000 May 2012 #16
You are correct, Hanford will NEVER be cleaned up. We need legislators who will say NO... Tikki May 2012 #19
Give us your tired, poor, 1000 year life materials, WHA?!?! benld74 May 2012 #18
Lemme guess, *somewhere* buried in this is a clause which allows non-union Mexican drivers to haul Earth_First May 2012 #20
in this non-regulatory, anti-union environment, anything goes wordpix May 2012 #21

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
4. From 'Send us your poor, huddled masses yearning to be free...'
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:37 PM
May 2012

To send us all your toxic waste, 'this place is going out in a firesale' and we need the money!

OTOH, I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.


SadPanda

(176 posts)
5. Actually, the emissions are much lower than the EPA's safety guidelines on Nm emisions...`
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:46 PM
May 2012

It's actually a really cool process if you consider that 20 years ago we just stuck this stuff in barrels and buried it. It's hard to explain without writing a couple thousand words but I guess the general idea is twofold.

First, you are decomposing the waste down to an ash form that is MUCH less radioactive.

Second, it's then easier to dispose of it while the disposal sites are much less dangerous and easier to maintain.

Here's a PDF on the process.

http://www.nukemgroup.com/fileadmin/pdf/Brochure_Incineration_April_2007.pdf


Of course the general safety concerns of nuclear plants and the byproducts (waste) are an important argument to be had about nuclear power. A big argument with LOTS of pluses and minuses.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
22. Too dumb to take seriously. Sorry.
Fri May 4, 2012, 02:35 AM
May 2012

"First, you are decomposing the waste down to an ash form that is MUCH less radioactive."

Nope. Doesn't happen. Ever. No way. Radioactive waste loses radiation by radioactive decay. No chemical processes have any effect whatsoever. Really basic physics fail.

The pamphlet looks like they took a perfectly reasonable waste incinerator (reduces the volume of waste at the cost of pollution and energy use), and figured that if they sealed it a little better they could burn nuclear waste the same way...

my real questions - just what IS all that nuclear waste in the first place? and why is there so much of it? and why is so much of it things that can be burnt?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
10. no, no, don't worry about that, the nuke industry has it all figured out
Wed May 2, 2012, 09:01 PM
May 2012
and we trust them completely

You are using your brain too much on that one. No, this will be a fast hot burn and NOTHING will escape.

Please, don't ask about a chain rxn, either, when the nuke waste is set on a hot burn.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
12. stock price is $1.55 - don't count on this co. spending billions to clean up an accident
Wed May 2, 2012, 09:08 PM
May 2012

They're not worth much.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,005 posts)
6. So we're the country with the Clean Air Act and MEXICO is sending US nuke waste to
Wed May 2, 2012, 08:52 PM
May 2012

burn??!!??

Sorry I've got to go bang my head again a wall.

Then contact NRC about this...

(turns out it isn't easy!)

FailureToCommunicate

(14,005 posts)
15. Sorry, but this is not 'loose nuke' material. It's tons of low grade
Wed May 2, 2012, 09:17 PM
May 2012

Last edited Wed May 2, 2012, 09:55 PM - Edit history (1)

waste:
"The low-level waste in question generally involves protective clothing and tools that have some degree of contamination. Incinerating it reduces the volume and makes it easier to dispose of the waste."

As the experts comment to NRC site this is best deposed of in the host country.

There is lots of the bad stuff out there we DO need to corral. If only we we're weren't spending billions being the world's policemen.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
17. also
Thu May 3, 2012, 10:34 AM
May 2012

we will dispose of it or destroy it properly (to some degree) while in other countries it will end up in rivers or landfills

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
14. company received SEC confidential treatment Mar. 2012 re: excluded information
Wed May 2, 2012, 09:15 PM
May 2012

Hmmm, wonder what cannot be disclosed until Sept. 2013? More slime from our SEC "regulatory" agency.

http://www.perma-fix.com/investorrelations/secfilings.aspx

Perma-Fix Environmental Services, Inc.
File No. 001-11596 - CF# 28139
_____________________
Perma-Fix Environmental Services, Inc. submitted an application under Rule 24b-
2 requesting confidential treatment for information it excluded from the Exhibits to a
Form 10-K filed on March 15, 2012.

Based on representations by Perma-Fix Environmental Services, Inc. that this
information qualifies as confidential commercial or financial information under the
Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552(b)(4), the Division of Corporation Finance has
determined not to publicly disclose it.

Accordingly, excluded information from the
following exhibit will not be released to the public for the time period specified:
Exhibit 10.38 through September 30, 2013
For the Commission, by the Division of Corporation Finance, pursuant to
delegated authority:
Craig Slivka
Special Counsel

KT2000

(20,566 posts)
16. So - the Columbia River is in danger of
Thu May 3, 2012, 12:25 AM
May 2012

being overwhelmed with nuclear material leaching from Hanford - which by the way will NEVER be cleaned up. Now the latest capitalist scheme is to take more into the state. Obviously, in Ayn Rand-speak, it is in the selfish interest of the owner of the company to make a killing off of Mexico. When things go wrong though - guess who pays the price!

Tikki

(14,548 posts)
19. You are correct, Hanford will NEVER be cleaned up. We need legislators who will say NO...
Thu May 3, 2012, 05:38 PM
May 2012

until these sites are cleaned up first.
Alas, there is big money to be made in stretching out the clean-up, to forever.


Tikki

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
20. Lemme guess, *somewhere* buried in this is a clause which allows non-union Mexican drivers to haul
Thu May 3, 2012, 07:29 PM
May 2012

this stuff in too, right?

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
21. in this non-regulatory, anti-union environment, anything goes
Thu May 3, 2012, 10:22 PM
May 2012


The SEC won't even regulate, for chrissake.
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